Aint seen you in a hot minute... On a more topic related note what do you think would happen to the commando role as it is a very interesting mix of several roles

Good post +1. Though it's spelled "Tiercide" ("tier" + "-cide") not "Teiricide"

Can't talk about it at the moment. Maybe after fanfest.

Can't talk about it at the moment. Maybe after fanfest.

Hmmm... *whispers* Blink once for yes and twice for no are they releasing the next build soon

You make it sound pretty nice but I worry that it will only dumb things down like it did for vehicles.

There are so many ways that Dust and Eve are different. The reason that the variety of roles CAN exist in Eve is not limited too:

-The rate of fire, tracking ability, and reload of turrets/launchers are all automated in eve, outsourcing the damage application to the client.
-Damage application in Eve is more about positioning than any kind of 'turret game',
-Targets rotate around the 'shooter' in 3 axis, while in dust this is mostly 2
-Damage projection is a function of the interplay between the 'virtual hitboxes' of sig radius and the 'rotation speed' of turrets in addition to falloff, optimal range, and some other factors. This only has meaning because the damage application is largely automatic.
-In a system where damage application is MUCH MORE analog/manual the equivelencies of 'role differentiation' are FALSE.

To have the kind 'role depth' of cruiser > destroyer > frigate interplay between dropsuits assumes some things about the damage application that don't yet exist in the game, and I have not yet seen displayed.

tiercide i feel is pointless for dust atm, there isnt enough variety with dropsuits, also there is also 1 dropsuit per class.

Dust needs more role bonuses to make different dropsuits substantially more different from each other, tiercide would only truly work if we had say 4 different galente assault suits to choose from and 1 was obviously superior to the other 3.

The more I talk with people who disagree the more I find out most are just confused to what tiericide would do and may be the source of their opposition against the idea.


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If you cant explain why your idea is a great thing in 3 sentances or less, it will never get the popular vote.
Please work on that.

If you cant explain why your idea is a great thing in 3 sentances or less, it will never get the popular vote.
Please work on that.

vehicles where overdone then again the previous offerings where an effing terrible mess.

I really hope something gets done about vehicle module progression. If the hulls are going to remain tiericided as they are (no ADV and PRO vehicle hulls), then there has to be more distinction between module tiers other than just cooldown times. Passive mods are fine, since they are tiered. Active modules are problematic because they all provide the same buffs across all tiers.

The more I talk with people who disagree the more I find out most are just confused to what tiericide would do and may be the source of their opposition against the idea.

Tiericide is not only the removal of teirs but introduction/enforcement of roles.

The problem with the current system is that
A < B on the simple grounds that B is A+1.

Under a more ideal tiericide system
A = B on the grounds that neither have anything better than the other in every way. Both do different things their own ways. Of course imperfection or needs of roles will skew the popularity between A and B the two can find competition in various performances.

Dust 514 however if a tericide where to happen we are likely to see a removal of power and a return to focus on roles.

Where

Assault Lineup
A [militia]< B [basic frame] < E [basic specialist] < C[adv frame] < F [adv specialist] < D [Proto Frame] < G [Proto Specialist]

Would likely turns into

An Assault suit that emphasizes the Assault Role and performs it well.

and developer time willing then

A second assault suit that may have a similar but different approach to the role in the same race. With possible third fourth and more as time goes on. In this environment no one assault suit is numerically just better because it's a tier 9 (current setup) but better because its closer to what the player wants to play as and has built his skills and fittings around that role strongly.

This would also mean majority of the new stats and the like may see a major shift away from the suits and may dump veterancy onto the skills instead; or maybe modules get a stronger emphasis or a mix of the two; it is up to ccp if and how they do the tiericide.

I am in support where the modules remain largely the same in line-up and may absorb more of the cost of the suit squash.

Other models includes a module squash; or a skill tree flourish (more RPG like) or mixes and focuses of each.

But I am open to hearing other possible models of role focus over power focus and of course any questions concerning how teiricide works and what it is supposed to do.

tiercide i feel is pointless for dust atm, there isnt enough variety with dropsuits, also there is also 1 dropsuit per class.

Dust needs more role bonuses to make different dropsuits substantially more different from each other, tiercide would only truly work if we had say 4 different galente assault suits to choose from and 1 was obviously superior to the other 3.

Tiericide won't happen in Dust until there is a LOT more content. Tiericide didn't happen in Eve when each race had only a handful of ships; we're going to be waiting a long long time for there to be enough suits and roles for this to have a chance of being beneficial to the game.

I could see this working so long as the skills make skilling into the suits worth it, and make damn sure there is a bonus per level no unlock at lvl 1,3,5 cause that wastes precious sp and would make the game rather dull.
modules have to stay tiered, non tiered vehicle mods make fitting really dull (although that might have also been the slot removal and pg/cpu Nerf too) and unbalanced.
Weapons stay tiered, wouldn't make any sense to do this to weapons what are you paying for if not more killing power.
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So really your just suggesting tiercide for suits then?