DUST Search - i dont understand why people dontnrun AV

Rusty Shallows wrote:

AngelflamesP wrote:

Here is my reason. I skilled into Adv Swarms and i have proto forge gun with prof. 3 .... first off you have to shoot all and reload about 2 times with swarms just to kill a madrugar because its Total Hp is 5200 :P my next reason... my forge gun was a beauty and still is but tanks move too fast.. the moment i let my first shot off the tank is already on the other side of the map either 1 out of my range or behind cover and that goes for swarms too the moment they get hit they drive backwards or fowards so fast and there is so many collidable objects in a map that your swarms hit them instead of the target because they track after it.... honestly i would run AV all the time I used to be AV and Logi but i find it difficult now adays but you are right it does give mad WP and ISk just hard to do when you have to use all ur ammo to kill a tank :3 :P :)

That's actually been a long running problem in this game. Well over a year ago in 2012 the games changes with vehicle speeds had pretty much dictated which FG was desirable or useful. When roadkilling was trending up in Chromosome. I rushed to max out the FG skill and switch to assaults for a chance to nail the LAV before becoming a hood ornament. In early Uprising after the emergency HP most vehicles received you could identify the experienced HAV TC by his use of terrain and keeping in motion. Now that vehicle speeds and the charge-to-fire gap is even greater the problem has been underlined in the extreme. Good TCs from last year have been made godly by using those honed skills. I truly wish I had made that game trend more clear last year, CCP might have not screwed up like they did in December.

As for the main topic why would I use a Forge Gun when a Large Rail gets the same points faster and has a reasonable chance of killing the target? If only I could stop myself from trying to drive HAVs like LAVs... *sigh*

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Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2255	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:02:00 - [61] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one. This is a point that I think should be emphasized. The average scrub with AV should be able to kill the average scrub in a tank. Good tanks should trash bad AV. Good AV should trash bad tanks. Anything else is imbalance. Nerdier than thou
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 628	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:03:00 - [62] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Atiim wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Thumb Green wrote: So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad And if you get killed by it, your a scrub. Or just batshit insane. I average 4-5 tank kills + assorted vehicles per death in my cal-sent. Rather happy with it. Super fun ejecting yourself from an lav, having the IAFG charge as you're flying through the air and having it blast a round into the tank as you land. But then again I enjoy having a deathwish and dueling tanks. \o/ If you're getting 4-5 tank kills per death by flinging yourself out next to them, then they truly are sh!tty tankers. Any good tanker would kill you before your 2nd charge was done even with the Gatsun a d a a d d a d a d a SPACE a d SPACE a d d d a d a SPACE Collect loot. The forums are more reliable than my spais :(
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1367	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:07:00 - [63] - Quote Great everyone is being all honourable duelling tanks and here I am placing re's proto av grenades and swarms from less than 5 meters away. I feel lile an ******* now I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 631	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:09:00 - [64] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Great everyone is being all honourable duelling tanks and here I am placing re's proto av grenades and swarms from less than 5 meters away. I feel lile an ******* now hey thats my optimal range too! and then the heavy jumps out, and depending on where i am in my FGs magazine, i either die a horrible death or giggle as his body goes flying! The forums are more reliable than my spais :(
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1371	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:12:00 - [65] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: noob cavman wrote: Great everyone is being all honourable duelling tanks and here I am placing re's proto av grenades and swarms from less than 5 meters away. I feel lile an ***** now hey thats my optimal range too! and then the heavy jumps out, and depending on where i am in my FGs magazine, i either die a horrible death or giggle as his body goes flying! Amount of times that has happened -_- you mlt heavy im tanking your maddy with me! Bad pun not intended but ** it its stayong there! I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1004	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:12:00 - [66] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Thumb Green wrote: If you're getting 4-5 tank kills per death by flinging yourself out next to them, then they truly are sh!tty tankers. Any good tanker would kill you before your 2nd charge was done even with the Gatsun a d a a d d a d a d a SPACE a d SPACE a d d d a d a SPACE Collect loot. Like I said, sh!tty tankers. Support Orbital Spawns
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 631	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:15:00 - [67] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Thumb Green wrote: If you're getting 4-5 tank kills per death by flinging yourself out next to them, then they truly are sh!tty tankers. Any good tanker would kill you before your 2nd charge was done even with the Gatsun a d a a d d a d a d a SPACE a d SPACE a d d d a d a SPACE Collect loot. Like I said, sh!tty tankers. for the most part yeah ill agree. i think the only guys i get killed by reliably are Lorhak, Doc and Steeldarknight. And True, the few times ive run against him. The forums are more reliable than my spais :(
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14351	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:25:00 - [68] - Quote I think it has more to do how people don't try to protect them from other infantry. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1320	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:30:00 - [69] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think it has more to do how people don't try to protect them from other infantry. That's why we have sidearms Thumb Green: "Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one." I am pretty great Delt for CPM1
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 365	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:37:00 - [70] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: You make mad WP's and ISK sometimes fixed Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1321	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:39:00 - [71] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: You make mad WP's and ISK sometimes fixed Whenever there's enemy vehicles. That a lot of the time. Thumb Green: "Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one." I am pretty great Delt for CPM1
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14352	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:43:00 - [72] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think it has more to do how people don't try to protect them from other infantry. That's why we have sidearms Sidearms are great but dont stand up to the rifles in particular the rail and combat when the AV is tunnel visioned on the target. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1321	Posted - 2014.04.28 16:47:00 - [73] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think it has more to do how people don't try to protect them from other infantry. That's why we have sidearms Sidearms are great but dont stand up to the rifles in particular the rail and combat when the AV is tunnel visioned on the target. Lol tunnel vision. I have to say, thanks to being in a fat suit, I'm not worried about the rifles myself, I'll just forge them if they are far, SMG them if close . Shotguns on the other hand.... Thumb Green: "Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one." I am pretty great Delt for CPM1
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 113	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:33:00 - [74] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Great everyone is being all honourable duelling tanks and here I am placing re's proto av grenades and swarms from less than 5 meters away. I feel lile an ******* now Dont feel bad. I do it too. only I only use REs, I don't have swarms worth a damn
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1378	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:39:00 - [75] - Quote RayRay James wrote: noob cavman wrote: Great everyone is being all honourable duelling tanks and here I am placing re's proto av grenades and swarms from less than 5 meters away. I feel lile an ***** now Dont feel bad. I do it too. only I only use REs, I don't have swarms worth a damn Even **** swarms still add to the instan damage. Basically over kill is good I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 151	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:44:00 - [76] - Quote Because my chosen AV of choice (the PLC) is pretty much useless against all but the dumbest of tankers?
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 19	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:45:00 - [77] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Cal-sent + Ishukone Assault Forge Gun = WP who're No, Gal-Sent + Ishukone A Forger = rail absorber/WP wh()re, OH YEAHHHH!!!
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2268	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:46:00 - [78] - Quote IR Scifi wrote: Because my chosen AV of choice (the PLC) is pretty much useless against all but the dumbest of tankers? It's true. It's even worse than STD swarms from a pure DPS standpoint, and that's saying something, especially when you account for the massive difference in damage application difficulty between the two. I've been running it for the past week, and the only thing it's good for is lolOHKing non-tanked heavies. Nerdier than thou
Sarcastic Dreamkiller BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 122	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:00:00 - [79] - Quote BIind Shot wrote: Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote: I don't run av because I don't need it, I can just cloak and wait for the tanks to leave the area. You should try the re's.. Nothing is more satisfying than blowing up an op tank with the push of a button. I'm actually thinking of taking of the hives on my swarm fit for the re's.. but I think I could just run packed av's; throw the nades then pop the re's. Then I could still keep my regular light weapon to defend myself. I guess I can give it a try, I was planning to make an AV fit at some point but cloaks just make it irrelevant.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1696	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:11:00 - [80] - Quote AngelflamesP wrote: Here is my reason. I skilled into Adv Swarms and i have proto forge gun with prof. 3 .... first off you have to shoot all and reload about 2 times with swarms just to kill a madrugar because its Total Hp is 5200 :P my next reason... my forge gun was a beauty and still is but tanks move too fast.. the moment i let my first shot off the tank is already on the other side of the map either 1 out of my range or behind cover and that goes for swarms too the moment they get hit they drive backwards or fowards so fast and there is so many collidable objects in a map that your swarms hit them instead of the target because they track after it.... honestly i would run AV all the time I used to be AV and Logi but i find it difficult now adays but you are right it does give mad WP and ISk just hard to do when you have to use all ur ammo to kill a tank :3 :P :) That's actually been a long running problem in this game. Well over a year ago in 2012 the games changes with vehicle speeds had pretty much dictated which FG was desirable or useful. When roadkilling was trending up in Chromosome. I rushed to max out the FG skill and switch to assaults for a chance to nail the LAV before becoming a hood ornament. In early Uprising after the emergency HP most vehicles received you could identify the experienced HAV TC by his use of terrain and keeping in motion. Now that vehicle speeds and the charge-to-fire gap is even greater the problem has been underlined in the extreme. Good TCs from last year have been made godly by using those honed skills. I truly wish I had made that game trend more clear last year, CCP might have not screwed up like they did in December. As for the main topic why would I use a Forge Gun when a Large Rail gets the same points faster and has a reasonable chance of killing the target? If only I could stop myself from trying to drive HAVs like LAVs... *sigh* Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1379	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:15:00 - [81] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: AngelflamesP wrote: Here is my reason. I skilled into Adv Swarms and i have proto forge gun with prof. 3 .... first off you have to shoot all and reload about 2 times with swarms just to kill a madrugar because its Total Hp is 5200 :P my next reason... my forge gun was a beauty and still is but tanks move too fast.. the moment i let my first shot off the tank is already on the other side of the map either 1 out of my range or behind cover and that goes for swarms too the moment they get hit they drive backwards or fowards so fast and there is so many collidable objects in a map that your swarms hit them instead of the target because they track after it.... honestly i would run AV all the time I used to be AV and Logi but i find it difficult now adays but you are right it does give mad WP and ISk just hard to do when you have to use all ur ammo to kill a tank :3 :P :) That's actually been a long running problem in this game. Well over a year ago in 2012 the games changes with vehicle speeds had pretty much dictated which FG was desirable or useful. When roadkilling was trending up in Chromosome. I rushed to max out the FG skill and switch to assaults for a chance to nail the LAV before becoming a hood ornament. In early Uprising after the emergency HP most vehicles received you could identify the experienced HAV TC by his use of terrain and keeping in motion. Now that vehicle speeds and the charge-to-fire gap is even greater the problem has been underlined in the extreme. Good TCs from last year have been made godly by using those honed skills. I truly wish I had made that game trend more clear last year, CCP might have not screwed up like they did in December. As for the main topic why would I use a Forge Gun when a Large Rail gets the same points faster and has a reasonable chance of killing the target? If only I could stop myself from trying to drive HAVs like LAVs... *sigh* Just fyi the advance rail turret is godly and considering getting it proto for when there are more than 2 tanks on the field. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7419	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:15:00 - [82] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: a d a a d d a d a d a SPACE a d SPACE a d d d a d a SPACE Collect loot. So basically stand still? $#!tty tankers will be $#!tty I suppose. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7420	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:24:00 - [83] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Just fyi the advance rail turret is godly and considering getting it proto for when there are more than 2 tanks on the field. You don't need the Particle Cannon unless your in PC. It only gives an extra 200HP over the Acceleratior. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:26:00 - [84] - Quote JLAV's are so much more in efficient than running and skilling into a AV suit. Kill + 50 Madrugar damage + 75 Madrugar damage + 75 Madrugar destruction + 150 My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2741	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:32:00 - [85] - Quote Atiim wrote: noob cavman wrote: Just fyi the advance rail turret is godly and considering getting it proto for when there are more than 2 tanks on the field. You don't need the Particle Cannon unless your in PC. It only gives an extra 200HP over the Acceleratior. lol. There is always demand for moar in New Eden! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2741	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:34:00 - [86] - Quote ishtellian wrote: JLAV's are so much more in efficient than running and skilling into a AV suit. Kill + 50 Madrugar damage + 75 Madrugar damage + 75 Madrugar destruction + 150 Sad but true. I just can't get into it as much as trying to sneak up on them with a scout though. If it only wasnt for that damn beep! There is a special place in hell for whoever put that in the game... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9852	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:35:00 - [87] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: You make mad WP's and ISK Plus Swarms and AV are still pretty punchy against most HAV not purely fit for passive repping. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 240	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:21:00 - [88] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: You make mad WP's and ISK Plus Swarms and AV are still pretty punchy against most HAV not purely fit for passive repping. Proto swarms yes, advance swarms no. by the time i reload with an advance swarm the tank has buggered off. Same with any swarm in fact.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9852	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:28:00 - [89] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: You make mad WP's and ISK Plus Swarms and AV are still pretty punchy against most HAV not purely fit for passive repping. Proto swarms yes, advance swarms no. by the time i reload with an advance swarm the tank has buggered off. Same with any swarm in fact. ADV swarms still hit reasonably hard, I won't tangle with them if I don't have to. But Echo you are failing to understand the mindset of a competent tanker. Why should tanks sit out in the open and just absorb your rounds. As a tanker I always use what cover I can, my positioning is half of what makes my fights victories, and I typically don't use Nitrous Modules because I simply don't need them, I won't stray from cover for too long, I know how much punishment my HAV can take, and I know when AV is in a superior position. You typically won't catch a smart tanker who doesn't already have 2-3 escape routes...... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Yeeeuuuupppp The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 275	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:56:00 - [90] - Quote Because tankers are pussies and run to their redline when they have 2k armor left on a maddy/ soma. It's angers my forge gun who wants his satisfaction so much that it creates a mind of its own and points and shoots at my feet until I eventually die. This happens each time a tank escapes my grasp CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll



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