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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:59:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:no one runs AV because a MLT railtank is cheaper and more effective.
Idk about that...
My fits pretty cheap
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:59:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:no one runs AV because a MLT railtank is cheaper and more effective.
Because tiericide ._.
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BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
142
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:02:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:no one runs AV because a MLT railtank is cheaper and more effective.
Ya dumb blue berries.. Idk why someone thinks their militia tank and their whopping 0 sp in vehicles is enough to take out a descent fitted tank. This used to be conceivable before they nerfed the range on the railguns so you can't effectively snipe them from the redline. I guess is you get 3 noobs in rail tanks tho it could happen but if those 3 guys would run av they'd have the same outcome. Well maybe not. Tanks are speedy. He'd probably of gotten away.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7397
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:04:00 -
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BIind Shot wrote:Jack McReady wrote:no one runs AV because a MLT railtank is cheaper and more effective.
Ya dumb blue berries.. Idk why someone thinks their militia tank and their whopping 0 sp in vehicles is enough to take out a descent fitted tank. This used to be conceivable before they nerfed the range on the railguns so you can't effectively snipe them from the redline. I guess is you get 3 noobs in rail tanks tho it could happen but if those 3 guys would run av they'd have the same outcome. Well maybe not. Tanks are speedy. He'd probably of gotten away.
Just glass a Gunnlogi.
It's the best AV suit, and it requires almost nothing in terms of SP.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:06:00 -
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Odigos Ellinas wrote:I am using ADV swarms with great success. Never try to solo a vehicle with infantry. If you want to solo vehicles use vehicles.
Fck that noise, there is absolutely no reason why infantry shouldn't be able to solo vehicles.
In regard to the op, making "mad" WP's doesn't really mean jacksh!t unless I can get to a spot that's hard to be killed from. Since you have to run proto to be any kind of effective against vehicles, a handful of deaths is enough to put you in the red even when you make ~500k that match.
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Mossellia Delt
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:13:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:I am using ADV swarms with great success. Never try to solo a vehicle with infantry. If you want to solo vehicles use vehicles. Fck that noise, there is absolutely no reason why infantry shouldn't be able to solo vehicles. In regard to the op, making "mad" WP's doesn't really mean jacksh!t unless I can get to a spot that's hard to be killed from. Since you have to run proto to be any kind of effective against vehicles, a handful of deaths is enough to put you in the red even when you make ~500k that match.
4 deaths ran me 200k ISK... that's less then 1 of my scout suits.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:17:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:
lol, guess you can add
Duna
Takihiro
Spkr
And a few other tankers
Because iv killed each of them with my afg
I don't know about the other two but Spkr has admitted to being solo'd by militia swarms after they got nerfed to 2 rounds in the clip, so....
Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:I am using ADV swarms with great success. Never try to solo a vehicle with infantry. If you want to solo vehicles use vehicles. Fck that noise, there is absolutely no reason why infantry shouldn't be able to solo vehicles. In regard to the op, making "mad" WP's doesn't really mean jacksh!t unless I can get to a spot that's hard to be killed from. Since you have to run proto to be any kind of effective against vehicles, a handful of deaths is enough to put you in the red even when you make ~500k that match. 4 deaths ran me 200k ISK... that's less then 1 of my scout suits.
4 deaths runs me around 400k in my AV suit.
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Mossellia Delt
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:18:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
lol, guess you can add
Duna
Takihiro
Spkr
And a few other tankers
Because iv killed each of them with my afg
I don't know about the other two but Spkr has admitted to being solo'd by militia swarms after they got nerfed to 2 rounds in the clip, so.... Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:I am using ADV swarms with great success. Never try to solo a vehicle with infantry. If you want to solo vehicles use vehicles. Fck that noise, there is absolutely no reason why infantry shouldn't be able to solo vehicles. In regard to the op, making "mad" WP's doesn't really mean jacksh!t unless I can get to a spot that's hard to be killed from. Since you have to run proto to be any kind of effective against vehicles, a handful of deaths is enough to put you in the red even when you make ~500k that match. 4 deaths ran me 200k ISK... that's less then 1 of my scout suits. 4 deaths runs me around 400k in my AV suit.
Then... don't run such expencive av fits?
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:26:00 -
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So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
233
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:27:00 -
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I might stop using AV. Its too expensive. |
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:28:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds.
Proto forge, std suit and everything else.
If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad
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WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:29:00 -
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[/quote] Then... don't run such expencive av fits?[/quote]
Try hurt a triple rep maddy with adv swarms. It doesnt work. |
Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1683
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:31:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
lol, guess you can add
Duna
Takihiro
Spkr
And a few other tankers
Because iv killed each of them with my afg
I don't know about the other two but Spkr has admitted to being solo'd by militia swarms after they got nerfed to 2 rounds in the clip, so.... Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:I am using ADV swarms with great success. Never try to solo a vehicle with infantry. If you want to solo vehicles use vehicles. Fck that noise, there is absolutely no reason why infantry shouldn't be able to solo vehicles. In regard to the op, making "mad" WP's doesn't really mean jacksh!t unless I can get to a spot that's hard to be killed from. Since you have to run proto to be any kind of effective against vehicles, a handful of deaths is enough to put you in the red even when you make ~500k that match. 4 deaths ran me 200k ISK... that's less then 1 of my scout suits. 4 deaths runs me around 400k in my AV suit.
4 deaths runs me around 2.2 million in my Gunny
*snarls are Benjamin Cisco* I still remember that match you cost me about that much. Though I have no doubt I cost you that much either as you were also running proto fit tanks and particle cannons
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BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:31:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad
The thing about Fg is it's pretty circumstantial; you have to be on a roof some where.
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1683
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:36:00 -
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BIind Shot wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad The thing about Fg is it's pretty circumstantial; you have to be on a roof some where.
Keep in mind not all tanks have a blaster turret to kill you with. I've been popped open like a can of sardines right out in the open, and fatman was also out in the open. Missiles just feel like water balloons against fatman. And that's what makes missile tanks balanced.
Please think carefully before asking for nerfs/buffs.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:37:00 -
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BIind Shot wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad The thing about Fg is it's pretty circumstantial; you have to be on a roof some where.
No, you really don't.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:39:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad
Oh yes, use a std suit so I can deal less damage to vehicles as well as take less damage from infantry. I use 2 complex damage mods on my AV suit and a madruger can survive 4 rounds and be around a corner by the time I reload and then a few seconds later it's back at full health. Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one.
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BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:39:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:BIind Shot wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad The thing about Fg is it's pretty circumstantial; you have to be on a roof some where. Keep in mind not all tanks have a blaster turret to kill you with. I've been popped open like a can of sardines right out in the open, and fatman was also out in the open. Missiles just feel like water balloons against fatman. And that's what makes missile tanks balanced. Please think carefully before asking for nerfs/buffs.
I think blaster tanks are fair game for the nerf hammer. Even tankers are complaining about it being good for both infantry AND other tanks.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:44:00 -
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I had some fun with a couple scrub ambush tankers last night who think they are god mode and swarms can't hurt them (Hint: They can if you don't move, dumbass). Took out 2 maddies with a little help from a FG. So much easier now that commando's are viable and I can pair the swarms with another light weapon.
(I'm not consistently getting the WP for damage though, which is annoying.)
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:45:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad Oh yes, use a std suit so I can deal less damage to vehicles as well as take less damage from infantry. I use 2 complex damage mods on my AV suit and a madruger can survive 4 rounds and be around a corner by the time I reload and then a few seconds later it's back at full health. Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one.
I like the sound of that since I am pretty great 
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:53:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:I like the sound of that since I am pretty great
Well I'm sure you knew it was meant as sarcasm. Being able to take out pisspoor tankers like Spkr isn't anything to judge one's AV abilities by.
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Mossellia Delt
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:57:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:I like the sound of that since I am pretty great Well I'm sure you knew it was meant as sarcasm. Being able to take out pisspoor tankers like Spkr isn't anything to judge one's AV abilities by.
Sarcasm or not, you said it, I'm sticking with it. Lol
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:58:00 -
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BIind Shot wrote:Harpyja wrote:BIind Shot wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad The thing about Fg is it's pretty circumstantial; you have to be on a roof some where. Keep in mind not all tanks have a blaster turret to kill you with. I've been popped open like a can of sardines right out in the open, and fatman was also out in the open. Missiles just feel like water balloons against fatman. And that's what makes missile tanks balanced. Please think carefully before asking for nerfs/buffs. I think blaster tanks are fair game for the nerf hammer. Even tankers are complaining about it being good for both infantry AND other tanks.
Yes, I'm all for a blaster turret damage nerf. I believe balance can be and should be achieved through Balancing the Large Turrets. At this point, buffing AV will make it too powerful against certain vehicles while nerfing tanks in general will make balanced tanks (missile tanks) weak.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:04:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:balanced tanks (missile tanks) weak.
lol "balanced". I just tested it out a week ago, a full missiles volley can kill a buffered up tank (shield or armor does not matter) in a single volley.
all tank weapons are unbalanced in some way.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
999
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:04:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:I like the sound of that since I am pretty great Well I'm sure you knew it was meant as sarcasm. Being able to take out pisspoor tankers like Spkr isn't anything to judge one's AV abilities by. Sarcasm or not, you said it, I'm sticking with it. Lol
Well as long as it means I get quoted in a signature, then I'm ok with it.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:BIind Shot wrote:Jack McReady wrote:no one runs AV because a MLT railtank is cheaper and more effective.
Ya dumb blue berries.. Idk why someone thinks their militia tank and their whopping 0 sp in vehicles is enough to take out a descent fitted tank. This used to be conceivable before they nerfed the range on the railguns so you can't effectively snipe them from the redline. I guess is you get 3 noobs in rail tanks tho it could happen but if those 3 guys would run av they'd have the same outcome. Well maybe not. Tanks are speedy. He'd probably of gotten away. Just glass a Gunnlogi. It's the best AV suit, and it requires almost nothing in terms of SP.
Yup.
Gunnlogi, 2x damage mod, nitro, plate, repper. Missiles if you're cool, rails otherwise.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:12:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad
And if you get killed by it, your a scrub.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:30:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad And if you get killed by it, your a scrub.
Or just batshit insane. I average 4-5 tank kills + assorted vehicles per death in my cal-sent.
Rather happy with it.
Super fun ejecting yourself from an lav, having the IAFG charge as you're flying through the air and having it blast a round into the tank as you land.
But then again I enjoy having a deathwish and dueling tanks. \o/
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1684
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:57:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Harpyja wrote:balanced tanks (missile tanks) weak. lol "balanced". I just tested it out a week ago, a full missiles volley can kill a buffered up tank (shield or armor does not matter) in a single volley. all tank weapons are unbalanced in some way. tank balance is like always out of CCPs control.
That's what they are good for. Also you need to sacrifice a high slot for a damage mod to be able to do that. A lot of tanks can actually survive a full non-damage modded proto missile volley if it isn't to the rear.
If you say they aren't balanced, try to get over 15 infantry kills repeatedly every match. Oh that's right, missiles are hard to use against infantry.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1001
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:57:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Atiim wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Thumb Green wrote:So what you're saying is don't be a threat to vehicles? I'm sorry but anything less than proto is useless at destroying vehicles; and I'd rather have the best chance at destroying a vehicle than to just scare it off for 1-2 seconds. Proto forge, std suit and everything else. If you can't kill a vehicle with it, you're bad And if you get killed by it, your a scrub. Or just batshit insane. I average 4-5 tank kills + assorted vehicles per death in my cal-sent. Rather happy with it. Super fun ejecting yourself from an lav, having the IAFG charge as you're flying through the air and having it blast a round into the tank as you land. But then again I enjoy having a deathwish and dueling tanks. \o/
If you're getting 4-5 tank kills per death by flinging yourself out next to them, then they truly are sh!tty tankers. Any good tanker would kill you before your 2nd charge was done even with the Gatsun
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