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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:35:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:You make mad WP's and ISK
Plus Swarms and AV are still pretty punchy against most HAV not purely fit for passive repping.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:28:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:You make mad WP's and ISK Plus Swarms and AV are still pretty punchy against most HAV not purely fit for passive repping. Proto swarms yes, advance swarms no. by the time i reload with an advance swarm the tank has buggered off. Same with any swarm in fact.
ADV swarms still hit reasonably hard, I won't tangle with them if I don't have to.
But Echo you are failing to understand the mindset of a competent tanker. Why should tanks sit out in the open and just absorb your rounds. As a tanker I always use what cover I can, my positioning is half of what makes my fights victories, and I typically don't use Nitrous Modules because I simply don't need them, I won't stray from cover for too long, I know how much punishment my HAV can take, and I know when AV is in a superior position.
You typically won't catch a smart tanker who doesn't already have 2-3 escape routes......
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Posted - 2014.04.29 00:28:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:You make mad WP's and ISK Plus Swarms and AV are still pretty punchy against most HAV not purely fit for passive repping. Proto swarms yes, advance swarms no. by the time i reload with an advance swarm the tank has buggered off. Same with any swarm in fact. ADV swarms still hit reasonably hard, I won't tangle with them if I don't have to. But Echo you are failing to understand the mindset of a competent tanker. Why should tanks sit out in the open and just absorb your rounds. As a tanker I always use what cover I can, my positioning is half of what makes my fights victories, and I typically don't use Nitrous Modules because I simply don't need them, I won't stray from cover for too long, I know how much punishment my HAV can take, and I know when AV is in a superior position. You typically won't catch a smart tanker who doesn't already have 2-3 escape routes...... i dont expect for you to sit there like an idiot, i would just like some noticeable damage. A sica or a soma will get hurt a little cos it has less ability to tank, but a triple rep madrugar laughs at swarms, it does nothing. also pop a shield booster on a gunnlogi and i essentially wasted an entire 3 swarms and you still have full health, you then realize a slight danger, drive off and wait for your mods to recharge. It is within the realm of possibility for a tank to take all of the ammo of an advance swarm and survive. that isnt right. with my swarms unless i have help most tanks dont die. they activate a hardener and run out of range.
You are using the example of a broken mechanic to illustrate a specific point.... now against any other tank fit that doesn't abuse triple reps AV hits and damages well.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 00:50:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've been mostly running uplinks, stealth hacking, and AVing.
I've been passing 1000 WP all the time, and without a squad. 1000 WP isn't really all that much. If you were to break 4k w/o a squad regularly, that would be impressive.
You either are being sarcastic or have very high standards. I bet most players even top tier as they call themselves rarely score more than 1200 WP a game without farming.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 00:57:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:True Adamance wrote:Zaaeed Massani wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've been mostly running uplinks, stealth hacking, and AVing.
I've been passing 1000 WP all the time, and without a squad. 1000 WP isn't really all that much. If you were to break 4k w/o a squad regularly, that would be impressive. You either are being sarcastic or have very high standards. I bet most players even top tier as they call themselves rarely score more than 1200 WP a game without farming. Woa, woa, it can't be. A tanker that doesn't make over 1000 wp game is SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE!
Oh no I do very easily in a Tank..... but I farm the turrets...must have misinterpreted.
Even in an HAV 4000WP is not easy to reach unless people just feed you MLT tanks
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:42:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Quote:
You are using the example of a broken mechanic to illustrate a specific point.... now against any other tank fit that doesn't abuse triple reps AV hits and damages well.
i'll use a gunnlogi instead. You have 1 basic heavy extender, 1 enhanced heavy extender and a basic heavy shield booster and an enhanced 120mm plate. And advance swarm laucher has you in his sights, will your tank die: i think no but lets do math. advance swarm does 220 damage + the 2 enhanced damage mods on the AV suit. 220 + (220 x 7.62%) = 236.76 damage per missle 236.8 * 5 = 1184 per salvo 1184 * 0.8 = 947.2 damage to a shield tank per salvo. you will have 4346 shields 4346/947.2 = 4.59 swarms to kill the shields. pop the booster and you get an extra 1950 hp plus some hp from the regen. so another 2-3 swarms are needed at least. so 7-8 swarms ( cant fire half swarms xD) to remove the shields leaving 2950 armour. if the swarmer has not maxed out his ammo capacity skill he cannot kill the tank with swarms alone. he would need it at level 4 and hope that the tank driver isnt paying attention. By the time you had to activate the booster you'd have either killed the guy or run off. Hey ho, the tank lives.  dont tell me they can hurt, shoot 3 of them at you and you might go down. but one or two ADV swarms i doubt it.
Why are you using Swarms against a Shield tank?
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:52:00 -
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Zaaeed Massani wrote:True Adamance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Quote:
You are using the example of a broken mechanic to illustrate a specific point.... now against any other tank fit that doesn't abuse triple reps AV hits and damages well.
i'll use a gunnlogi instead. You have 1 basic heavy extender, 1 enhanced heavy extender and a basic heavy shield booster and an enhanced 120mm plate. And advance swarm laucher has you in his sights, will your tank die: i think no but lets do math. advance swarm does 220 damage + the 2 enhanced damage mods on the AV suit. 220 + (220 x 7.62%) = 236.76 damage per missle 236.8 * 5 = 1184 per salvo 1184 * 0.8 = 947.2 damage to a shield tank per salvo. you will have 4346 shields 4346/947.2 = 4.59 swarms to kill the shields. pop the booster and you get an extra 1950 hp plus some hp from the regen. so another 2-3 swarms are needed at least. so 7-8 swarms ( cant fire half swarms xD) to remove the shields leaving 2950 armour. if the swarmer has not maxed out his ammo capacity skill he cannot kill the tank with swarms alone. he would need it at level 4 and hope that the tank driver isnt paying attention. By the time you had to activate the booster you'd have either killed the guy or run off. Hey ho, the tank lives. dont tell me they can hurt, shoot 3 of them at you and you might go down. but one or two ADV swarms i doubt it. Why are you using Swarms against a Shield tank? I'd just like to point out here that I wreck Sica's with my Wiyrkomi Swarms.
So because you can't wreck a proper shield tank with a weapon not designed to destroy it.....it's UP?
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