DUST Search - when are rails and large missiles being nerfed?

akira 1999 wrote:

ohh look another ADS pilot who brags about their kill couint on my guys as they float around impervious to most AV.

I say hell no.. make the ADS even harder to fly and cost a tonne more in isk. crutch eh?... ohh look shields down.. oops hit afterburner straight up with some side lateral and lookie the crutched escaped with ease again.

where anyone in a tank we hit the overdrive and we get a 25% boost... ohhh wow thanks that is so in balanced with the ADS afterburner.

note: yes that was meant to be sarcastic.. get over it

tanks are cheap, slow and easy to kill.. so should remain cheap to buy
ADS are pricey, fast, nimble, can loiter above all AV max range for the whole match and just call target, is effective for a lot more then a tank is meant to do, can catch and kill any infantry they can see, 3-4 shot lavs even armored ones, can with good fire support on its turrets shred tanks with ease.. so yes that ADS should cost more and be harder to use because it can dictate the match the moment its called in on a RDV.

and any honest player will admit that yes ADS can and do win you matches.
if you got them and can deny the enemy theirs.. 99 out of 100 matches you will win with ease

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Patrick57 7167	Posted - 2014.04.26 20:17:00 - [61] - Quote wripple wrote: Incubuses Isn't it Incubi? Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12735	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:35:00 - [62] - Quote ITT: jerrmy12 being an idiot, as per usual. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 491	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:47:00 - [63] - Quote i've kept quiet until now but i fear large missle tank more than anything, fearing railtank is so 1.7 that said it doesn't need a nerf man, the missle tank has to get close it's basically the shotgun of vehicles. cmon guy the dropship can't go a unopposed it has to have a counter we have to have bad matches where a tank kills our dropships other matches we pwn but that can't be without opposition that has a chance to down us. nerfing tanks is not the answer. we have to flyhard this isn't a year ago where we could just lean on our OP AB. you either flyhard or die or both u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7300	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:48:00 - [64] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ITT: jerrmy12 being an idiot, as per usual. I'm starting to think that he's thomas mak. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 491	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:50:00 - [65] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: How does a missile tank even get an angle on a DS? 1/10 for troll post effort. we get distracted by tearing up infantry and start to loiter, the tank sneaks up on us. it doesnt warrant a nerf tho u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 4	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:53:00 - [66] - Quote I find missiles are balanced as they are very good against amour but are weak against shields and there slow reload speed which keeps them balanced ,next time when flying an incubus watch your surroundings if anything the missile tank is more vulnerable than you since shooting infantry with missiles is hard and CAL tanks with rails will end you. Also it seems like your fault for flying so low to the ground still wondering how the missile tank was able to angle himself at you.
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1230	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:53:00 - [67] - Quote Atiim wrote: 80GJ Blasters and Railguns do need adjustments, but the Large missiles are just fine. For the range they have to be in to actually do damage to you, it deserves the King of CQC status. If anything, I'd say it needs a buff by fixing the fall-off damage and changing reload mechanics to work like SGs. Or just remove the falloff daage and have it all be optimal until the missiles run out. Missiles with falloff damage is ridiculous. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 492	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:00:00 - [68] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: I find missiles are balanced as they are very good against amour but are weak against shields and there slow reload speed which keeps them balanced ,next time when flying an incubus watch your surroundings if anything the missile tank is more vulnerable than you since shooting infantry with missiles is hard and CAL tanks with rails will end you. Also it seems like your fault for flying so low to the ground still wondering how the missile tank was able to angle himself at you. well we actually like to get kills is why i was low to the ground. thanks for the advice but i dare you to call out that cal joke of a railgun when i have my gunner on board. i'm not the one complaining here dude thanks i dont need your advice on my dropship. GTFO with that. i'm simply standing up for the tankers who can oppose me they dont need to be nerfed. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1279	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:05:00 - [69] - Quote I dont know why you people are defending your crutches Missiles arw op because thier insane rof Reduce it Reduce reload time Then it's balanced I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7305	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:06:00 - [70] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I dont know why you people are defending your crutches Missiles arw op because thier insane rof Reduce it Reduce reload time Then it's balanced Perhaps it's because you've yet to go into any detail as to why they are broken? Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 492	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:08:00 - [71] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I dont know why you people are defending your crutches Missiles arw op because thier insane rof Reduce it Reduce reload time Then it's balanced because those missiles have travel time that i can dodge u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1279	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:10:00 - [72] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I dont know why you people are defending your crutches Missiles arw op because thier insane rof Reduce it Reduce reload time Then it's balanced Perhaps it's because you've yet to go into any detail as to why they are broken? They're rof allows them to instakill vehicles even with hardeners in less than a second Reducing rof and reducing reload would balance them and make missile tankers happy I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 55	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:54:00 - [73] - Quote nice solid no..\ all the QQ striped the rail turret of half its range so F#@K off with the call for any kind of nerf on rails. Why not have the penalty we want for ADS.. no kind or armor or shield upgrade allowed.. cause if I have to be in tactically ** poor location just so I can get the right angle to fire up at you... and you want to around with my damage?? does a double picard epic face palm** I need to drink all that stupid away.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1279	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:59:00 - [74] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: nice solid no..\ all the QQ striped the rail turret of half its range so F#@K off with the call for any kind of nerf on rails. Why not have the penalty we want for ADS.. no kind or armor or shield upgrade allowed.. cause if I have to be in tactically ** poor location just so I can get the right angle to fire up at you... and you want to around with my damage?? does a double picard epic face palm** I need to drink all that stupid away. Oh look, a crutch gunner Rails are still op all they did was reduce the range I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 633	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:01:00 - [75] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Nerf rails Decrease reoload speed of missile turrets, heavily nerf dps those are way to ***** overpowered killing my hardened incubus in 0.50 seconds. Decrease reload speed as in reduce time it takes to reload Tldr I just want to not get instakilled by those op things while hardened Reduce rof by half making them not as spammable and more skillful weapons Reduce the time it takes to reload missile turrets. Those changes would help tank vs tank fights without being so broken yeah, but when you chase me into the red line and i can do nothing about it its balance OFF! closed beta Vet** >In a man to man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine. Erwin Rommel
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster 633	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:02:00 - [76] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: 80GJ Blasters and Railguns do need adjustments, but the Large missiles are just fine. For the range they have to be in to actually do damage to you, it deserves the King of CQC status. If anything, I'd say it needs a buff by fixing the fall-off damage and changing reload mechanics to work like SGs. No Missiles need a huge ass dps nerf NOW My HARDNED INCUBus got killed in less than hakf a second Thats way to ***** overpowered and im sick of losing half a mil to that op I cant even react to YOUR AN IDIOT PLEASE GO AWAY closed beta Vet** >In a man to man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine. Erwin Rommel
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 56	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:10:00 - [77] - Quote ohh look another ADS pilot who brags about their kill couint on my guys as they float around impervious to most AV. I say hell no.. make the ADS even harder to fly and cost a tonne more in isk. crutch eh?... ohh look shields down.. oops hit afterburner straight up with some side lateral and lookie the crutched escaped with ease again. where anyone in a tank we hit the overdrive and we get a 25% boost... ohhh wow thanks that is so in balanced with the ADS afterburner. note: yes that was meant to be sarcastic.. get over it tanks are cheap, slow and easy to kill.. so should remain cheap to buy ADS are pricey, fast, nimble, can loiter above all AV max range for the whole match and just call target, is effective for a lot more then a tank is meant to do, can catch and kill any infantry they can see, 3-4 shot lavs even armored ones, can with good fire support on its turrets shred tanks with ease.. so yes that ADS should cost more and be harder to use because it can dictate the match the moment its called in on a RDV. and any honest player will admit that yes ADS can and do win you matches. if you got them and can deny the enemy theirs.. 99 out of 100 matches you will win with ease
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1279	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:11:00 - [78] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: 80GJ Blasters and Railguns do need adjustments, but the Large missiles are just fine. For the range they have to be in to actually do damage to you, it deserves the King of CQC status. If anything, I'd say it needs a buff by fixing the fall-off damage and changing reload mechanics to work like SGs. No Missiles need a huge ass dps nerf NOW My HARDNED INCUBus got killed in less than hakf a second Thats way to ***** overpowered and im sick of losing half a mil to that op ** I cant even react to YOUR AN IDIOT PLEASE GO AWAY YOUR A CRUTCH USER GO AWAY I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1279	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:13:00 - [79] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: ohh look another ADS pilot who brags about their kill couint on my guys as they float around impervious to most AV. I say hell no.. make the ADS even harder to fly and cost a tonne more in isk. crutch eh?... ohh look shields down.. oops hit afterburner straight up with some side lateral and lookie the crutched escaped with ease again. where anyone in a tank we hit the overdrive and we get a 25% boost... ohhh wow thanks that is so in balanced with the ADS afterburner. note: yes that was meant to be sarcastic.. get over it tanks are cheap, slow and easy to kill.. so should remain cheap to buy ADS are pricey, fast, nimble, can loiter above all AV max range for the whole match and just call target, is effective for a lot more then a tank is meant to do, can catch and kill any infantry they can see, 3-4 shot lavs even armored ones, can with good fire support on its turrets shred tanks with ease.. so yes that ADS should cost more and be harder to use because it can dictate the match the moment its called in on a RDV. and any honest player will admit that yes ADS can and do win you matches. if you got them and can deny the enemy theirs.. 99 out of 100 matches you will win with ease Yawns, noob I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
wripple TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 183	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:30:00 - [80] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: wripple wrote: Incubuses Isn't it Incubi? Incubuseseses

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1416	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:38:00 - [81] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: 80GJ Blasters and Railguns do need adjustments, but the Large missiles are just fine. For the range they have to be in to actually do damage to you, it deserves the King of CQC status. If anything, I'd say it needs a buff by fixing the fall-off damage and changing reload mechanics to work like SGs. No Missiles need a huge ass dps nerf NOW My HARDNED INCUBus got killed in less than hakf a second Thats way to ***** overpowered and im sick of losing half a mil to that op ** I cant even react to Then maybe you shouldn't be moving so slowly. Sounds like you were just taught a lesson. If you were flying your DS like in an intelligent way the missiles never would have touched you. Yawn he should have never killed me while hardened that fast Also this gun I have kills you if you stop sprinting to shoot for less than half a second Not stupid right? Every gun kills foot soldiers regardless of us sprinting or not. Hardeners we're never intended to make you invincible. Yawn. Your failure to see how your death was your fault not the game bores me. Fun > Realism
MINA Longstrike 566	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:39:00 - [82] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I dont know why you people are defending your crutches Missiles arw op because thier insane rof Reduce it Reduce reload time Then it's balanced Missile tanks aren't a crutch, they're actually pretty difficult to use, I'd actually suggest trying them before you scream about them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4077	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:47:00 - [83] - Quote LOL I think a missile would kill anybody instantly. And a rail would be damaging since its projectile from a turret (PE/KE) validates its deadliness. No nerfing. Lets focus on more add on material instead of nerf/buff fluxes that is slowing us down. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Final Resolution. 2	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:52:00 - [84] - Quote If the missile tank shot you down within half a second whilst estimating your flight path it seems pretty obvious that you were hovering and completely unaware that the tank was there which gives him the right to destroy you. As an ADS pilot you need to always be aware of what enemy vehicles are on the field before you start engaging the infantry.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1666	Posted - 2014.04.27 10:12:00 - [85] - Quote As a caldari purist i use missiles and rails almost every time i roll in my Gunnlogis. Now missiles arnt op plain and simple .... reason 1 they are the most sp intensive weapons system in the game . reason 2 they have the longest reload time of any wepon. Reason 3 their max range is 250m. Reason 4 they have the second slowest tracking speed . Reason 5 You have a verysmall clip size 12 missiles before reload. Reason 6 they have travel time that has to be taken into account when firing off your vollys. This is just a small list of the cons to running missiles and when you are trying to target infantry with them it takes a keen eye andgood judgment and tracking ability . If a missile tank can get to within 100m of its prey it will die but when it goes to reaload and the enimy isnt dead then often the missile tank dies. Missiles are the most bakanced turrets in the game they can have long periods of low dps by burst fireing or have 1 big alpha strike with a long reaload . Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
wripple TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 184	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:30:00 - [86] - Quote I've never used large missiles myself, but I can tell by the sound of this thread that you're one of those newbs who got killed by one of us real ADS pilots then skilled halfway into them thinking they were easy to use. Missiles are fine, your fitting and piloting is what needs modification.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1332	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:04:00 - [87] - Quote wripple wrote: I've never used large missiles myself, but I can tell by the sound of this thread that you're one of those newbs who got killed by one of us real ADS pilots then skilled halfway into them thinking they were easy to use. Missiles are fine, your fitting and piloting is what needs modification. My fitting, lol Lets see Xt missiles Op damage mod combo, 2 or 3 Hardener active Full shields 3k armor Yep instakilled makes me so bad I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Alpha 443-6732 0uter.Heaven Academy 487	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:19:00 - [88] - Quote The missile turret is all or nothing either you kill the target in less than 2 seconds or he kills you with his quad mod particle cannon/ion cannon in 2 shots/while you reload for 10 seconds also 1 hardener on any shield vehicle should be able to protect you from a volley, unless all the missiles hit your dropship(i.e. you're half asleep/awful) All the maneuverability of a dropship demands a compensation. How will dropships die when nothing can kill them reliably before they hit the afterburner? Face it, large missiles just might be a direct counter to your class. Good on us, since we actually need to AIM our slow moving projectiles to hit you accurately. Try keeping an eye out for enemy missile tanks if you have such a huge problem reacting to them. Missile tanks thrive on infantry farmers such as ADSs and blaster tanks, where their prey is often distracted (i.e. glutting themselves on free isk).
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1164	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:34:00 - [89] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I dont know why you people are defending your crutches Missiles arw op because thier insane rof Reduce it Reduce reload time Then it's balanced Jerrmy, they really aren't op or a crutch. I'm defending my missile tank because it is balanced. Its not effective against infantry, it cannot reliably kill shield tanks (miss a few missiles and your f*****) the reload time is very long, the range is short and its tracking is decent. The advantage you get for these draw backs is excellent damage vs armor and good burst damage. Honestly if you can't dodge missiles needing the ROF wouldn't help you. If you can't find and engage or get to a position above its angle of elevation then reducing the reload time won't help you. The missile tank will kill you the same. I love shooting down armor dropships and incubi with my missile tank, I wait for them to start loitering and broadside them with missiles. If they had a gunner they would easily be able to see me, instead they want to gunship around, their fault.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 381	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:42:00 - [90] - Quote Fly better. /thread Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?



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