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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.26 07:12:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:80GJ Blasters and Railguns do need adjustments, but the Large missiles are just fine.
For the range they have to be in to actually do damage to you, it deserves the King of CQC status. If anything, I'd say it needs a buff by fixing the fall-off damage and changing reload mechanics to work like SGs. No Missiles need a huge ass dps nerf NOW My HARDNED INCUBus got killed in less than hakf a second Thats way to ******* overpowered and im sick of losing half a mil to that op **** I cant even react to What range were you flying at? More than 70m away HARDNED they need thier dps nerf and less time to reload I had 0 time to react HARDENED Thats just more than overpowered and annoying ass hell missiles: +30% vs armour damage mod: 60% vs armour missiles:-30% vs shields damage mod: normal damge vs sheilds. against hardned vehicle 5% increased damage with modifer 35% increased damge. base missile damge at std. 415 x 12. do msisiles need a nerf?
That's not how damage mods work. They multiply the base damage (so 415 * 1.2 = 539.5 * 12) and then the defenders profile takes effect when the missile hits - which is actually -20% vs shields and +20% vs armor for explosive (so 431.6 * 12 vs shields, or 647.4 * 12 vs armor without a hardener) and then the defenders armor hardener takes effect (1.2 * 0.75 = 0.9) so the damage modded missiles hit for 485.55 vs armor (539.5 * .9)
70 meters is a *very* dangerous range to be away from a missile tank, and if more than say... 8 of those missiles hit you even with your hardener on, you'd be a very, very dead dropship.
The downside to missile tanks is 10s - 7.5s reloads on their missiles after 12 shots, meaning they *need* to kill their target in 1 volley, or they're at extreme risk from counter fire. They're very well balanced compared to rails.
It sounds like you were hovering and if that was the case, you deserved what you got.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.26 07:23:00 -
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wripple wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:wripple wrote:Somebody just needs to learn how to fly. ADSs are the kings of hit and run vehicles, if you're flying too lethargically (a common side effect of relying on hardeners) then just stick an M-CRU on and stay at the height ceiling.
You're flying an airborne medium vehicle, not a tank, if you're still dying to rails after their nerf as much as you make it sound like then you're not adapting like a good pilot should. A hardened vehicle with above 2k hp shoukd not be instakilled I used an incubus ao yea Also I have this gun that instakills you anywhere on the map if you stop sprinting to shoot -1,800 Base Damage for a Particle canon +58% damage for dual damage mods (pretty common for an experience railer) +10% damage bonus to armor +30% damage if shot in the thrusters (easy on an Incubus) -25% damage from hardeners I come up with roughly 3,100 damage per shot, which sounds about right seeing as they have to get within 300 meters of you and only get to aim up at 40 degrees. Incubuses are designed to soak up forge and swarm damage and keep chugging along, while Pythons are designed to be glass canons with short engagement windows. Personally I've never had the patience to run slow RoF Incubuses, but I can tell you that if you're running less armor than I am shield then you're running a build similar to the Gorgons I 1-clip with my Python's XT-1s.
63.9% for two 30% dmg mods.
Soooo, 1800 * 1.639 * [1.10 * .75 = .825] * 1.30 = 3164.0895 dmg / shot
So, two shots with double mods.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.26 08:22:00 -
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wripple wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:wripple wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:wripple wrote:Somebody just needs to learn how to fly. ADSs are the kings of hit and run vehicles, if you're flying too lethargically (a common side effect of relying on hardeners) then just stick an M-CRU on and stay at the height ceiling.
You're flying an airborne medium vehicle, not a tank, if you're still dying to rails after their nerf as much as you make it sound like then you're not adapting like a good pilot should. A hardened vehicle with above 2k hp shoukd not be instakilled I used an incubus ao yea Also I have this gun that instakills you anywhere on the map if you stop sprinting to shoot -1,800 Base Damage for a Particle canon +58% damage for dual damage mods (pretty common for an experience railer) +10% damage bonus to armor +30% damage if shot in the thrusters (easy on an Incubus) -25% damage from hardeners I come up with roughly 3,100 damage per shot, which sounds about right seeing as they have to get within 300 meters of you and only get to aim up at 40 degrees. Incubuses are designed to soak up forge and swarm damage and keep chugging along, while Pythons are designed to be glass canons with short engagement windows. Personally I've never had the patience to run slow RoF Incubuses, but I can tell you that if you're running less armor than I am shield then you're running a build similar to the Gorgons I 1-clip with my Python's XT-1s. 63.9% for two 30% dmg mods. Soooo, 1800 * 1.639 * [1.10 * .75 = .825] * 1.30 = 3164.0895 dmg / shot So, two shots with double mods -450 base damage +30% armor damage +30% modded damage +10% lv.5 ADS skill bonus damage x 8 shots in the clip / 4.8 seconds to dump it = 1,400 DPS = dead tank in roughly 5-8 seconds, depending on if I have to reload. I usually receive more hate mail from rail tanks than I send to them, you just have to know how to counter them.
Explosive damage is only +20% to armor, and -20% to shields. not 30%.
It can work, I've seen some tanks struggle against dropships, which is fine.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.26 10:51:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lol got shot down by missiles and now asking for a nerf
It reminds me of judge getting killed by rails and wanting them removed
1/10 troll post
Rails are overpowered still. The range wasn't as big of a problem as the damage
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.27 05:39:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:I dont know why you people are defending your crutches
Missiles arw op because thier insane rof
Reduce it
Reduce reload time
Then it's balanced
Missile tanks aren't a crutch, they're actually pretty difficult to use, I'd actually suggest trying them before you scream about them.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:41:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Nerf rails
Decrease reoload speed of missile turrets, heavily nerf dps those are way to ******* overpowered killing my hardened incubus in 0.50 seconds.
Decrease reload speed as in reduce time it takes to reload
Tldr
I just want to not get instakilled by those op things while hardened
Reduce rof by half making them not as spammable and more skillful weapons
Reduce the time it takes to reload missile turrets.
Those changes would help tank vs tank fights without being so broken just shut up. Yesterday it was rdvs and dropship ramming. You suck as a pilot, stop posting. Also this thread is older than that And I said im fed up with broken ****
Then quit, because there will always be something that pisses you off. "WAAAH I DIED IN MY DROPSHIP, NERF EVERYTHING THAT CAN KILL IT" "WAAAH COMBAT RIFLES KILL ME, NERF THEM CCP!!! NOW" "WAAAAH THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TO DO, MAKE MORE THINGS FOR ME TO DO *RIGHT THIS SECOND CCP*".
That's what your complaining amounts to until you put it in well spoken constructive manners, or overall dissections like judge, moody or ghazbaran(sometimes?) does. With like pie charts and stuff.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:56:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Beartrocity wrote:ADS Pilot, the primadonna of Dust. Next you're gonna want forge guns to shoot floppy dildos right?
Rails got nerfed.....
If you die by a Missile then you deserved to die..... Exept its op as hell when its rof is so high there is no evading
There's no evading when you are hovering. I guarantee you, you will *never* die to a missile tank if you are actually moving at a decent pace.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.30 08:01:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Beartrocity wrote:ADS Pilot, the primadonna of Dust. Next you're gonna want forge guns to shoot floppy dildos right?
Rails got nerfed.....
If you die by a Missile then you deserved to die..... Exept its op as hell when its rof is so high there is no evading There's no evading when you are hovering. I guarantee you, you will *never* die to a missile tank if you are actually moving at a decent pace. I wasn't expecting a instakill machine This thread was mainly venting though Ads just needs a price decrease. And damage mods needs nerfing thats all.
"I played poorly, so I demand compensation!"
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