I could see you shimmering perfectly on your screen.

Lerntueizscrub

This is a toupee fallacy. So this argument is completely invalid and does not provide any evidence to provide his claim.

Here's another video about Cloaking done by Judge. Still no comment, but judge it for yourself.

Also, I hope you don't mind me posting these videos on the forums Judge. I like posting these to get player feedback and bring up discussion which in my opinion is a great way to get multiple opinions and insights.

The First Mover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj8vXTqgw1M


Recap for the previous video and discussion can be found here

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156109

Right. Clearly no shots were being fired before he de-cloaked

the arguer claims that they can always recongnize when something is present. So its likely a fallacy because the arguer is not aware of all of the times that he/she did not recognize it

Which fits the Toupee fallacy.

I could see you shimmering perfectly on your screen.

Lerntueizscrub

I could see you shimmering perfectly on your screen.

Lerntueizscrub

I could see you shimmering perfectly on your screen.

Lerntueizscrub

So you can always spot a shimmer when you can? This is another example of the Toupee Fallacy. The Toupee Fallacy can be summed up by the following phrase: "All toupees look fake; I've never seen one that I couldn't tell was fake".

Source: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Toupee_fallacy

So if you saw a convincing one you wouldn't be able to see that it's a fake toupee. The same applies to the cloak shimmer. The shimmer is only apparent to you as long as you catch it which implies there is also potentially equally many moments when you are unable to see a cloak shimmer especially given how the human eye functions.

Believe it or not, your eyes and mind play tricks on you. I have studied quite a bit on human anatomy so I know a few things about this. The mind and eyes work together to filter out parts of the world you see that the mind thinks is irrelevant to you. Here is a little trick you can do to confirm this. You can do this at home on your free time.

Look at your monitor and set it so that you have a white background. Cover one eye and make a pin-size hole with your index and your thumb to look through while facing the monitor's white background. Now shake that pin-size hole up and down. Notice anything odd emerging? Perhaps you're seeing black lines that look like veins or capillaries on the white background. Believe it or not, those really are your veins you're seeing. In the human eye, the veins cut in front of the light receptors of the retina of your eye (the cylinders and cones). As light passes through the veins it creates a shadow on the recepters. The mind knows this and considers the veins as irrelevant to what the eye is really trying to see. So the mind filters out the shadows produced by the veins by overlaying parts of the scenery that you see over those shadows to compensate. This also explains why you have a blind spot on both of your eyes which can cause you to miss things like the shimmer of a cloak.

Think about it. For every moment you spot a shimmer, there is also an equal (if not greater) number of moments when you didn't see the shimmer. Thus the toupee fallacy comes to mind when someone says "I could see the shimmer just fine".

Guys, how did you miss this

I'd just like to thank Judge for making intelligent video breakdowns.

Without him to think for you people, you'd all be saying incredibly stupid things right now and I'd have to look at it every day.

He was trolling you. You were trolled. And you gave the grandest, most time-wasting response possible. Christ man, seriously.

If that was a troll, that was a **** poor job.

He should lernz2trol.

Like my nose, I don't see the point of this video. Honestly, aside from "firing while cloaked is a thing and it is my opinion it should change" I don't see a reason to make this video. Every game ever that has some kind of stealth system give first attack/mover advantage; many even give 'backstab' bonuses. In my opinion, Judge is just stating the obvious here that no one should really be surprised to hear; "being able to get a 'flank'/surprise attack in most every situation is powerful." He might as well have said "only having 10 HP makes it difficult to survive in this game."

Judge's videos are always entertaining and the level of dedication to the community is commendable but if I may ask Judge: "Why did you make this video if not for the 'Cloaked Fire' or to reiterate the Toupee Fallacy from the previous video?"

Poor job.. that worked

Edit: read my previous posts about cloaks...