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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.25 19:07:00 -
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It's a very neutral perspective on Judge's part. It's really difficult to say with certainty now whether the cloak makes you hard to see or easy to see but we can definitely say with certainty that the glitch mentioned and demonstrated by Judge needs to be addressed.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.25 19:48:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:I could see you shimmering perfectly on your screen.
Lerntueizscrub
So you can always spot a shimmer when you can? This is another example of the Toupee Fallacy. The Toupee Fallacy can be summed up by the following phrase: "All toupees look fake; I've never seen one that I couldn't tell was fake".
Source: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Toupee_fallacy
So if you saw a convincing one you wouldn't be able to see that it's a fake toupee. The same applies to the cloak shimmer. The shimmer is only apparent to you as long as you catch it which implies there is also potentially equally many moments when you are unable to see a cloak shimmer especially given how the human eye functions.
Believe it or not, your eyes and mind play tricks on you. I have studied quite a bit on human anatomy so I know a few things about this. The mind and eyes work together to filter out parts of the world you see that the mind thinks is irrelevant to you. Here is a little trick you can do to confirm this. You can do this at home on your free time.
Look at your monitor and set it so that you have a white background. Cover one eye and make a pin-size hole with your index and your thumb to look through while facing the monitor's white background. Now shake that pin-size hole up and down. Notice anything odd emerging? Perhaps you're seeing black lines that look like veins or capillaries on the white background. Believe it or not, those really are your veins you're seeing. In the human eye, the veins cut in front of the light receptors of the retina of your eye (the cylinders and cones). As light passes through the veins it creates a shadow on the recepters. The mind knows this and considers the veins as irrelevant to what the eye is really trying to see. So the mind filters out the shadows produced by the veins by overlaying parts of the scenery that you see over those shadows to compensate. This also explains why you have a blind spot on both of your eyes which can cause you to miss things like the shimmer of a cloak.
Think about it. For every moment you spot a shimmer, there is also an equal (if not greater) number of moments when you didn't see the shimmer. Thus the toupee fallacy comes to mind when someone says "I could see the shimmer just fine".
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.25 20:48:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I'd just like to thank Judge for making intelligent video breakdowns.
Without him to think for you people, you'd all be saying incredibly stupid things right now and I'd have to look at it every day.
I remember when people trolled Judge for posting facts about the swarm launchers and redline rails.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.25 21:02:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:He was trolling you. You were trolled. And you gave the grandest, most time-wasting response possible. Christ man, seriously.
If that was a troll, that was a **** poor job.
He should lernz2trol.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.25 21:37:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:He was trolling you. You were trolled. And you gave the grandest, most time-wasting response possible. Christ man, seriously. If that was a troll, that was a **** poor job. He should lernz2trol. Poor job.. that worked  Edit: read my previous posts about cloaks...
Yup... definitely my batteries are dead. My troll radar didn't go off. I should have bought Duracell.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.26 07:44:00 -
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Despite the disagreements we all have with each other on anything regarding cloaks, it seems we are in unanimous agreement that the shooting-while-cloaked glitch needs to be addressed immediately. Especially since CCP clearly stated that you need to decloak first before shooting.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.26 19:29:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Just going to point out two things here,
1.) CCP was going to release the cloak with the ability to fire cloaked without decloaking. In my eyes the cloakers should keep a first mover advantage.
2.) The video does not show him being attacked by cloakers, or the shimmer effects from a victums perspective, or a frame by frame breakdown of the damage received to him on a scout decloaking. The video is incompletely, yet even if it did come out in favor of the cloaker (Which I believe it will) see option 1.)
Mosty people don't know, the cloak was designed to be fired cloaked.. To eat up the cloak meter in turn preventing the cloaker the ability to recloak again. Then leaving the cloaker at a disadvange if he is spotted or cannot find cover. We never was given the option to experience this gameplay and if we did most of the forum posters are so one dimensional they wouldn't understand it anyways.
Just saying,
On your first point, CCP did originally intend to allow firing the first shot while cloaked. However the community responded as making the cloak OP due to shotgun users. CCP later on, as noted on their dev blogs, withdrew that idea and instead restricted it to having the cortex active at all times in order to maintain cloak.
Clearly the cloak-shotgun issue somehow reared its ugly head in this update when it shouldn't have.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.27 17:09:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:Just going to point out two things here,
1.) CCP was going to release the cloak with the ability to fire cloaked without decloaking. In my eyes the cloakers should keep a first mover advantage.
2.) The video does not show him being attacked by cloakers, or the shimmer effects from a victums perspective, or a frame by frame breakdown of the damage received to him on a scout decloaking. The video is incompletely, yet even if it did come out in favor of the cloaker (Which I believe it will) see option 1.)
Mosty people don't know, the cloak was designed to be fired cloaked.. To eat up the cloak meter in turn preventing the cloaker the ability to recloak again. Then leaving the cloaker at a disadvange if he is spotted or cannot find cover. We never was given the option to experience this gameplay and if we did most of the forum posters are so one dimensional they wouldn't understand it anyways.
Just saying, On your first point, CCP did originally intend to allow firing the first shot while cloaked. However the community responded as making the cloak OP due to shotgun users. CCP later on, as noted on their dev blogs, withdrew that idea and instead restricted it to having the cortex active at all times in order to maintain cloak. Clearly the cloak-shotgun issue somehow reared its ugly head in this update when it shouldn't have. I have been hearing people say this but I have never seen a post or detailed information by CCP about shooting while cloaked. Can you submit a link to help prove this? I am quite curious to see if this was stated by CCP or if its just rumors.
I can't find the link anymore, but it was posted on the forums that CCP was originally thinking about letting people shoot while cloaked and I was there at the time when I saw it. It wasn't just shotgunners like you see today that had people concerned. Snipers were also a factor as well as other high-alpha weapons like Ishukone Nova Knives. The idea that somehow some invisible force would blap you in one second from a cloaked form really scared a lot of people. Hell, it even scared me and I'm a stealth guy. The dev blog that you linked was the result of the community's reaction to CCP's original idea.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.04.27 17:11:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:He didn't post an attitude. He's describing how badly you guys will nerf and dismantle mechanics within the game. It's analogy. Stop being a softy and go outside. Play some football.
Like this cloak issue that is nothing more than a like generation mechanic. Coming from the same guy who wanted swarms ranges nerfed but gets mad when rail tanks are camping redline, blasting him outta the sky. If the swarm range wasn't nerfed, his headache of tanks on the redline would be minimal because the range of the swarms would have decreased the redline camping.
Why are people searching for things to change in the game that needs no adjustments?
Last time I checked, redline rails got nerfed and now they are a thing of the past.
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