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Reaper Alim highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 5	Posted - 2014.04.23 11:33:00 - [1] - Quote Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field. I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak. Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing. If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes. Enoth of me ranting now.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 366	Posted - 2014.04.23 12:32:00 - [2] - Quote I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Asha Starwind 819	Posted - 2014.04.23 12:33:00 - [3] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses. Should've just stopped at get rid of profile profile bonuses. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1459	Posted - 2014.04.23 12:38:00 - [4] - Quote Only change needed is to fix shotgun + cloak.
Selinate deux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 139	Posted - 2014.04.23 13:50:00 - [5] - Quote This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 929	Posted - 2014.04.23 13:54:00 - [6] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues. But only if scout can dual wield...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1460	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:10:00 - [7] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues. No
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 550	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:24:00 - [8] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field. I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak. Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing. If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes. Enoth of me ranting now. Honestly they f*cked up when they added the cloaks by making them too cheap. In EVE when something new like that (a new technology or radically different thing) is added to the game it is done so in stages. At first it is VERY expensive (like 100x normal cost) because it is new and in limited supply... then as things even out, it comes down in price. But since this game does not have a market: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137656&find=unread Then we have to artificially do this. Well CCP forgot to do this. And thus we have the situation we have now. Thanks CCP for the short-sightedness.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 332	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:30:00 - [9] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses. Should've just stopped at get rid of profile profile bonuses. I like the added dynamic of being able to temporarily "buff" your undetectability inside a match. I would argue that Basic and Advanced cloak tools could stand to be tuned down (to make Prototype gear more attractive). Removing that completely from the cloak would simply be an indirect nerf to Amarr and Mimatar Scouts ability to actually Scout. Armor fittings/penalties could stand another balance pass though, IMHO. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 92	Posted - 2014.04.23 14:53:00 - [10] - Quote Just get rid of the cloak profile dampening and remove the scout bonus to cloak fits (and give them a real bonus instead). Then it doesn't even matter if they fix the shoot while cloaking exploit. If you want to nerf scouts further, restore the movement penalties to armor to their previous levels. it was such dumb change anyway.

Retarn Dominus H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Lokun Listamenn 58	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:03:00 - [11] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak. Not true. More than normal yes but half mmmm If anything i'd say there are far more heavies. Those four protos you speak of must and been new players with AUR gear because it isn't has simple as that...i know...i have tried. A vet squad will take you down. As for cloaks i say yeah go ahead and change the profiles into tiers. 10/15/20 also flux to drop cloaks. It makes more sense What? You think your Complex armour plating on your sweet Proto will save you? Think again BOOM
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4379	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:46:00 - [12] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues. Only if they make knives an equipment (along with PLC and Swarms) I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 77	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:57:00 - [13] - Quote So much rubbish. Firstly there are not that many scouts. There are loads of heavies and similar numbers of scouts, assaults and logis. Secondly, assault suits have much more hp than scouts, even brick tanked Gallente scouts. Cloaks don't help much if you fit lots of armor and play like an assault, neither does avoiding scans. If you are using an assault suit, stick with your team-mates and you will be much more successful. Scouts aren't much faster than assaults. The only changes that possibly need to be made are: -Re-balance assault suit module slots (as CCP have stated they intend to do) by adding one slot to std and adv assault suits, but not proto. -Nerf armor plates slightly -Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 386	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:04:00 - [14] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field. I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak. Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing. If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes. Enoth of me ranting now. When you decloak you have about 2 seconds before you're fully decloaked, realize though that you're completely blue the entire 2 seconds, I haven't really found this to be to my advantage so I don't agree it's OP when you're firing while cloaked, because you're actually not. Furthermore while I'm decloaking people always see me, and before I've fully decloaked they're already shooting at me. I mean CCP ought to fix the 2 second disparity, but that's the only thing that needs to be fixed IMO. "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1428	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:07:00 - [15] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues. Ha ha ha ha! That's funny, and if they listen to you you'll be back here whining about SMGs, MagSec, and scrambler pistols. The scariest scouts I've ever faced were ScP users Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 97	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:10:00 - [16] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: So much rubbish. Firstly there are not that many scouts. There are loads of heavies and similar numbers of scouts, assaults and logis. Secondly, assault suits have much more hp than scouts, even brick tanked Gallente scouts. Cloaks don't help much if you fit lots of armor and play like an assault, neither does avoiding scans. If you are using an assault suit, stick with your team-mates and you will be much more successful. Scouts aren't much faster than assaults. The only changes that possibly need to be made are: -Re-balance assault suit module slots (as CCP have stated they intend to do) by adding one slot to std and adv assault suits, but not proto. -Nerf armor plates slightly -Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts. argh, what -scouts are extremely common, especially among high SP players -It doesn't matter how much HP assaults have, scouts shouldn't be brick tanking because it comes with extremely minimum movement penalties and it furthers cloak abuse which... -...is a big deal because cloaks are literally broken. they allow a full shotgun or knife attack while still invisible and allow scouts to be e-war invisible without even attempting profile dampening. this comes with no penalties or disadvantages. -scouts should be faster than assaults so this is part of the problem too. scouts have needed a buffed base speed (or mediums a reduced one) since Uprising dropped. so for your solutions. - there is nothing wrong with the tiers of gear. it's all fundamentally wrong to begin with - you are finally correct, armor plates need their old movement penalty back or less HP -nah, that's dumb and completely ineffectual anyway.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1430	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:13:00 - [17] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: -Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts. Which bonus are Cal and Min scouts going to lose as well? They both have 2 too. In general, people are starting to get good at seeing cloaked scouts, good for them, I still can't see them standing still but when they are moving can a bit more. Make plate penalties count against profile dampening as well movement. If you nerf profiles its not like you are going to all of a sudden see more assaults, you'll just see more Cal scouts. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1290	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:19:00 - [18] - Quote Just make cloaks a light weapon and remove the extra equipment slot from scouts then it will balance it. People can still be ninjas with nova knives, if you wanna use a SG you have to be smart and flank enemies, and if you you wanna use a cloak you will be limited to a sidearm. edit: The only suit I have skilled into is the caldari scout. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 97	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Just make cloaks a light weapon yes, awesome! great idea stlcarlos989 wrote: and remove the extra equipment slot from scouts no, awful idea! scouts needed that extra equipment slot back when they were underpowered, don't drag them down because cloaks turned out just as ****** as everyone thought they would.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1290	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:32:00 - [20] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Just make cloaks a light weapon yes, awesome! great idea stlcarlos989 wrote: and remove the extra equipment slot from scouts no, awful idea! scouts needed that extra equipment slot back when they were underpowered, don't drag them down because cloaks turned out just as ****** as everyone thought they would. The extra equipment slot was for cloaks, making cloaks a light weapon makes its so they don't need the extra slot. If scouts get 2 equipment slots then so should assaults STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12664	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:33:00 - [21] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS) Here we go again... You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 77	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:36:00 - [22] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: -Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts. Which bonus are Cal and Min scouts going to lose as well? They both have 2 This is a little off topic but I was referring to balancing Gallente with minmatar and caldari scouts. Gallente scouts are by far the most common, implying they are better than the others. Also, pretty much all complaints about scouts are referring to Gal scouts. I reckon Gal scout's dampening bonus, combined with the innate armour rep is on a par with the Cal scout's scanning bonuses and improved shield recharge. Gal scouts don't need an extra scan range bonus as well. Leave scanning bonuses to Cal scouts. As for minmatar scouts, the knife bonus doesn't really count. Knives are fun but they are not really competitive. Having a bonus to only one weapon is very limited. Also, the bonus, whilst significant, is rarely useful even if you are using knives. Also, min scouts suffer from low pg making fitting much more difficult than for Gal scouts.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1464	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:52:00 - [23] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: So much rubbish. Firstly there are not that many scouts. There are loads of heavies and similar numbers of scouts, assaults and logis. Secondly, assault suits have much more hp than scouts, even brick tanked Gallente scouts. Cloaks don't help much if you fit lots of armor and play like an assault, neither does avoiding scans. If you are using an assault suit, stick with your team-mates and you will be much more successful. Scouts aren't much faster than assaults. The only changes that possibly need to be made are: -Re-balance assault suit module slots (as CCP have stated they intend to do) by adding one slot to std and adv assault suits, but not proto. -Nerf armor plates slightly -Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts. argh, what -scouts are extremely common, especially among high SP players -It doesn't matter how much HP assaults have, scouts shouldn't be brick tanking because it comes with extremely minimum movement penalties and it furthers cloak abuse which... -...is a big deal because cloaks are literally broken. they allow a full shotgun or knife attack while still invisible and allow scouts to be e-war invisible without even attempting profile dampening. this comes with no penalties or disadvantages. -scouts should be faster than assaults so this is part of the problem too. scouts have needed a buffed base speed (or mediums a reduced one) since Uprising dropped. so for your solutions. - there is nothing wrong with the tiers of gear. it's all fundamentally wrong to begin with - you are finally correct, armor plates need their old movement penalty back or less HP -nah, that's dumb and completely ineffectual anyway. Scouts are the least common dropsuit I see in matches Bricking tanked scouts are the weakest scout fits and are easy to kill. I will admit shotgun+cloak is a problem
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1464	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:53:00 - [24] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: -Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts. Which bonus are Cal and Min scouts going to lose as well? They both have 2 This is a little off topic but I was referring to balancing Gallente with minmatar and caldari scouts. Gallente scouts are by far the most common, implying they are better than the others. Also, pretty much all complaints about scouts are referring to Gal scouts. I reckon Gal scout's dampening bonus, combined with the innate armour rep is on a par with the Cal scout's scanning bonuses and improved shield recharge. Gal scouts don't need an extra scan range bonus as well. Leave scanning bonuses to Cal scouts. As for minmatar scouts, the knife bonus doesn't really count. Knives are fun but they are not really competitive. Having a bonus to only one weapon is very limited. Also, the bonus, whilst significant, is rarely useful even if you are using knives. Also, min scouts suffer from low pg making fitting much more difficult than for Gal scouts. I actually see more cal scouts nowadays.
Yan Darn Science For Death 633	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:54:00 - [25] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Just get rid of the cloak profile dampening and remove the scout bonus to cloak fits (and give them a real bonus instead). Then it doesn't even matter if they fix the shoot while cloaking exploit. If you want to nerf scouts further, restore the movement penalties to armor to their previous levels. it was such dumb change anyway. Real scoutphobes don't say things like this. You are far too sensible and threads like this are no place for you. They'd rather nerf cloaks into the ground specifically so that scouts have the most useless bonus (it's already extremely limiting). They would also rather not acknowledged the unbalanced nature of armour plates. If you nerf armour plates - what will the med frames brick tank with? Play this game properly: Nerf cloaks so they provide no real visible or electronic stealth. Nerf scout profile to 45db (is this worse than before 1.8? Who cares - real scoutphobes pretend scouts are a completely new frame type). Nerf passive scan range (again - ignore that it's the same as before 1.8 - see above). Nerf shotguns. No other class really uses it - scouts with RR/CR are still OP, but you can own with those weapons too, so Ignore any nerf to rifles plz ( also, see above regarding the existence and usage of scouts+shotguns before 1.8). I'm also gonna pretend shooting from cloak is not a glitch - that way I can argue how OP they are and justify nerfs for scouts In general - remember, while fixing glitches is healthy for the game, you just want to rage and QQ and get some back alley justice on those that made you...'upset'. Remove weapon slot (just because). Remove equip slot (especially if you keep cloaks as their bonus and nerf cloaks) Remove module slot (really its ok - everyone hates scouts, be as non-sensical as you want, other people will fill the gaps in your logic with their tears). The Ghost of Bravo
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1548	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:56:00 - [26] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field. I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak. Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing. If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes. Enoth of me ranting now. Let me post this for you too: Another "SG is OP Cloak is OP Scouts Are OP and I'm Blind and Moron at the same time" Thread ?! Couldn't you post it on the other million thread and tried bumping those ?! Or do you want to farm some likes ?! GJR wont tolerate that sort of competition ...
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 374	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:03:00 - [27] - Quote The gallente just needs to apply two profile damps to be completely undetectable, even when a caldari scout has 4 complex precision enhancers in the highs. I think this is why the Gallente is so attractive. With one complex damp and a cloak active the Gallente just needs to worry about being seens from the shimmer effect. A Gallente scout also can see the battlefield with the range extender and percisions enhancers in the highs, not as easy as the Caldari but good enough to hunt the low skillpoint players and being virtual invisible. IGÇÖd like it if I could use caldari scout to see the Gal scouts but that just isnGÇÖt possible. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2114	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:09:00 - [28] - Quote I like the idea of cloak going in the light weapon slot and the extra equipment slot being removed. Scouts are stepping pretty heavily on the feet of logistics suits atm. They make an ideal medic. You can run fast enough to revive someone before they bleed out while evading detection and then repair them once they're on their feet. On top of that you're still more combat capable than a logi suit. Sidearms can be pretty deadly too, especially if you can get close. If this was done it might be possible to do away with the fitting restriction and lowering the fitting cost a little, since a slow moving suit with only a sidearm is hardly at an advantage. It would also create the idea of cloaked commandos, who trade a weapon for an improved ability to ambush. Could be disastrous, or really interesting.
Yan Darn Science For Death 633	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:16:00 - [29] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I like the idea of cloak going in the light weapon slot and the extra equipment slot being removed. Scouts are stepping pretty heavily on the feet of logistics suits atm. They make an ideal medic. You can run fast enough to revive someone before they bleed out while evading detection and then repair them once they're on their feet. On top of that you're still more combat capable than a logi suit. Sidearms can be pretty deadly too, especially if you can get close. If this was done it might be possible to do away with the fitting restriction and lowering the fitting cost a little, since a slow moving suit with only a sidearm is hardly at an advantage. It would also create the idea of cloaked commandos, who trade a weapon for an improved ability to ambush. Could be disastrous, or really interesting. When med frames could outperform the scout in its roles, everyone said buff scout (ok - and nerf logi...). When a balance pass goes through that didn't balance med frames and it starts looking like scouts are stepping on the toes of med frames - the most popular suggestion seems to be - nerf scout? The Dust community is awesome. The Ghost of Bravo
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1662	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:17:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Selinate deux wrote: (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS) Here we go again... Ikr it's like their flogging the skelliton of the long long dead horse. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.

Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 78	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:24:00 - [31] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: argh, what -scouts are extremely common, especially among high SP players -It doesn't matter how much HP assaults have, scouts shouldn't be brick tanking because it comes with extremely minimum movement penalties and it furthers cloak abuse which... -...is a big deal because cloaks are literally broken. they allow a full shotgun or knife attack while still invisible and allow scouts to be e-war invisible without even attempting profile dampening. this comes with no penalties or disadvantages. -scouts should be faster than assaults so this is part of the problem too. scouts have needed a buffed base speed (or mediums a reduced one) since Uprising dropped. so for your solutions. - there is nothing wrong with the tiers of gear. it's all fundamentally wrong to begin with - you are finally correct, armor plates need their old movement penalty back or less HP -nah, that's dumb and completely ineffectual anyway. - Scouts shouldn't be brick tanking - why not? The whole point of dust is freedom to fit how you like. Yes it's boring and personally I prefer to fit kincats and range amps instead of armour as it fits the flanking/behind enemy lines style I enjoy, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be able to be a light assault if they want to. After all, you can fit an assault suit with biotics and dampeners and play the same role. - brick tanking furthers cloak abuse - errm what? Brick tanking limits the effectiveness of a cloak. Cloaks can't be used for frontal assaults as they are easily spotted at close range unless stationary. Cloaks are useful for flanking. Armour limits flanking ability as it slows you down and takes up slots that could be used for biotics or ewar, which are both useful for flanking. - cloaks are broken - ok so maybe by abuse you meant people using cloaks for surprise frontal attacks not flanks. Is this really a big problem? My logi or assault suits very rarely get killed by people decloaking I front of me. Maybe the decloak to shoot time does need increasing, many people claim the current situation is a bug so maybe when that's solved things will be better. - Swap scout's dampening for more speed. - I really don't see how this will solve anything. Currently most scouts use kin-cats. If what you propose goes ahead they will just be swapped for dampeners. The end result is the same. As for brick scouts, would you really rather have super fast high hp scouts that you can scan or slow scouts that you can't scan (but are too slow to sneak up on you)? They will both probably be shooting you at range with a combat rifle anyway, standing still and completely visible, so I don't see any difference. - tiers - so you are completely fine with std and adv scouts having the same module counts are assaults? - plates - 3,4,5 % speed reduction rather than 2,3,5 would probably do it. Maybe 3,4,6. - gal scout scan bonus. - Nobody gives this any thought because they can't see beyond the superficial problems. I am agreeing the Galente scouts are a little too strong. They get a scan range bonus over min and Amarr scouts. Scan range is a low slot module. As I said I use range amps on my min scout, gal scouts don't have to. Scouts kill by seeing opponents on radar without being seen themselves, allowing action behind enemy lines and effective flanking. Free scan range means Gal scouts can fit more armor, the exact problem you are talking about. Yes they could live with lower scan range and still brick up but they would be less effective, i.e. nerfed. Nobody understands how important scan range is.
Yan Darn Science For Death 634	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:27:00 - [32] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Selinate deux wrote: (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS) Here we go again... Ikr it's like their flogging the skelliton of the long long dead horse. You need to try it - look: 'WHY SCOUT STAMINA So HI!? THEY VERY MOBILE ANd CAN RUN AWay - THEN tHEY *** AGAIN WITH CLACKs and shoot me IN THE BAKs!!!?? SO MUCH BS - NERF STAmina CCP!!!' Oooooh There's like this tingly feeling that starts from my nose all the way down the back of my spine - try it and you'll understand why people do it... The Ghost of Bravo
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2115	Posted - 2014.04.23 17:51:00 - [33] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: I like the idea of cloak going in the light weapon slot and the extra equipment slot being removed. Scouts are stepping pretty heavily on the feet of logistics suits atm. They make an ideal medic. You can run fast enough to revive someone before they bleed out while evading detection and then repair them once they're on their feet. On top of that you're still more combat capable than a logi suit. Sidearms can be pretty deadly too, especially if you can get close. If this was done it might be possible to do away with the fitting restriction and lowering the fitting cost a little, since a slow moving suit with only a sidearm is hardly at an advantage. It would also create the idea of cloaked commandos, who trade a weapon for an improved ability to ambush. Could be disastrous, or really interesting. When med frames could outperform the scout in its roles, everyone said buff scout (ok - and nerf logi...). When a balance pass goes through that didn't balance med frames and it starts looking like scouts are stepping on the toes of med frames - the most popular suggestion seems to be - nerf scout? The Dust community is awesome. Before 1.8 scouts didn't really have a role because everyone was always on passive radar, then when active scanners came around we had scannerinas meaning everyone was always on the radar. It wasn't medium frames taking over the scout role, it was that a scout role didn't exist. Now with a combination of a cloak bug (being able to fire while invisible), an extra equipment slot that is only needed because a cloaked scout should still be able to have a piece of equipment, the ability to tank more than a medium suit, and being the only suit that is capable of detecting or evading scout suits do everything a medium suit can do and do it both better and in a more cost effective way. When the buffs given to something are overdone and take over the roles of two classes of suits it's far easier to adjust the changes you just made than to redesign everything else. If they buff the flaylock and overdo it, should they nerf the flaylock or buff every suit and weapon in the game? The effect is the same, balance. One method requires less work and thinking, the other more.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 301	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:20:00 - [34] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses. A great posting in DUST? Do my eyes deceive me?
Yan Darn Science For Death 635	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:37:00 - [35] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Yan Darn wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: I like the idea of cloak going in the light weapon slot and the extra equipment slot being removed. Scouts are stepping pretty heavily on the feet of logistics suits atm. They make an ideal medic. You can run fast enough to revive someone before they bleed out while evading detection and then repair them once they're on their feet. On top of that you're still more combat capable than a logi suit. Sidearms can be pretty deadly too, especially if you can get close. If this was done it might be possible to do away with the fitting restriction and lowering the fitting cost a little, since a slow moving suit with only a sidearm is hardly at an advantage. It would also create the idea of cloaked commandos, who trade a weapon for an improved ability to ambush. Could be disastrous, or really interesting. When med frames could outperform the scout in its roles, everyone said buff scout (ok - and nerf logi...). When a balance pass goes through that didn't balance med frames and it starts looking like scouts are stepping on the toes of med frames - the most popular suggestion seems to be - nerf scout? The Dust community is awesome. Before 1.8 scouts didn't really have a role because everyone was always on passive radar, then when active scanners came around we had scannerinas meaning everyone was always on the radar. It wasn't medium frames taking over the scout role, it was that a scout role didn't exist. Now with a combination of a cloak bug (being able to fire while invisible), an extra equipment slot that is only needed because a cloaked scout should still be able to have a piece of equipment, the ability to tank more than a medium suit, and being the only suit that is capable of detecting or evading scout suits do everything a medium suit can do and do it both better and in a more cost effective way. When the buffs given to something are overdone and take over the roles of two classes of suits it's far easier to adjust the changes you just made than to redesign everything else. If they buff the flaylock and overdo it, should they nerf the flaylock or buff every suit and weapon in the game? The effect is the same, balance. One method requires less work and thinking, the other more. My overall point wasn't very clear. Med frames are still due to be balanced - like lights and heavies were in 1.8. Meds were missed out. CCP stated this. Glitches - sure, fix them ASAP. But why rebalance the light frame in any relatively drastic way before we have the full balance pass in place? The Ghost of Bravo
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 79	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:01:00 - [36] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Before 1.8 scouts didn't really have a role because everyone was always on passive radar, then when active scanners came around we had scannerinas meaning everyone was always on the radar. It wasn't medium frames taking over the scout role, it was that a scout role didn't exist. Now with a combination of a cloak bug (being able to fire while invisible), an extra equipment slot that is only needed because a cloaked scout should still be able to have a piece of equipment, the ability to tank more than a medium suit, and being the only suit that is capable of detecting or evading scout suits do everything a medium suit can do and do it both better and in a more cost effective way. When the buffs given to something are overdone and take over the roles of two classes of suits it's far easier to adjust the changes you just made than to redesign everything else. If they buff the flaylock and overdo it, should they nerf the flaylock or buff every suit and weapon in the game? The effect is the same, balance. One method requires less work and thinking, the other more. Can I just correct a couple of things that many people seem to be misinformed about. In 1.7 all scouts apart from low sp characters avoided all scans except proto. Scouts can't tank more than medium frames. Weapons are more effective on assault suits.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:02:00 - [37] - Quote Quote:
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 99	Posted - 2014.04.23 21:49:00 - [38] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: - Scouts shouldn't be brick tanking - why not? Because before bricktanking was a thing, everyone bitched about logi's being able to outperform scouts at everything, so now, as a scount, i'm perfectly happy to *** about scouts outperforming assaults in their role. which they are, because they can drop a ridiculous amount of HP on a suit, only slightly less than an assault, and in turn still get a bonus to movement and access to the cloak, which is glitched into a slaying monster. Varoth Drac wrote: - brick tanking furthers cloak abuse - errm what? Brick tanking limits the effectiveness of a cloak. Cloaks can't be used for frontal assaults as they are easily spotted at close range unless stationary. Cloaks are useful for flanking. Armour limits flanking ability as it slows you down and takes up slots that could be used for biotics or ewar, which are both useful for flanking. Armor tanking doesn't meaningfully slow down flank speed, especially when it takes a single kin cat to negate the losses(nerf armor movement speeds don't nerf kincats). Nobody ever said with armor you can then get in someone's face with a cloak, but getting next to someone with a shotgun or far away, invisible with the opening burst of a CR is a pretty good edge in a fight, better than anything an assault suit can offer. Varoth Drac wrote: - cloaks are broken - ok so maybe by abuse you meant people using cloaks for surprise frontal attacks not flanks. Is this really a big problem? My logi or assault suits very rarely get killed by people decloaking I front of me. Maybe the decloak to shoot time does need increasing, many people claim the current situation is a bug so maybe when that's solved things will be better. Yes! Cloaks are glitched! That is why they are overpowered. but they will never, ever be fixed because the problem is across poor TV settings, the awkward lighting of several levels and the inherent glitchiness of the cloaking animation which has been a problem ever since people spawned in while invisible. CCP has never once shown the technical ability to fix this. The reason your logi or assault suits don't die when a shotgunner decloaks in front of you is because you probably survive long enough to see him. Many players drop in one shot. I drop people in one shot before the decloak animation fires. Varoth Drac wrote: - Swap scout's dampening for more speed. I didn't actually say this? A base movement increase was necessary long before cloaking or even before passive scans were functioning. I think scout's inherently should be good at dampening, but to stay competitive to active scanners, gal logi's and Cal scouts, should always have to invest in dampening, and the cloak shouldn't count as an investment. Varoth Drac wrote:** - tiers - so you are completely fine with std and adv scouts having the same module counts are assaults? Yep. Scouts inherently need those slots to balance and remain flexible in their roles. It works fine. If it doesn't, i still think it's a lower priority fix than fixing cloaks and brick tanking scouts. That said, they had less slots in 1.7 and that was better balanced than 1.8.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 561	Posted - 2014.04.23 22:53:00 - [39] - Quote Obviously yall are more eloquent speakers and deliberators than I. I will consider it a good fix if Iinsta-die to the invisible wielders of the boundless CR less than 6 times a match. EP 1.8: Revenge of the Scouts Hiding in the redline means: I want to play, just not with *you* +25 = I'm helping
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 629	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:01:00 - [40] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: I would argue that Basic and Advanced cloak tools could stand to be tuned down (to make Prototype gear more attractive). I keep hearing the word elitist thrown around and now I guess I can see the mental make up of one just by this statement . Make the basic and advanced already weaker than they are to promote the prototype . man o man . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .

Rusty Shallows 1640	Posted - 2014.04.23 23:37:00 - [41] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: snip Med frames are still due to be balanced - like lights and heavies were in 1.8. Meds were missed out. CCP stated this. Glitches - sure, fix them ASAP. But why rebalance the light frame in any relatively drastic way before we have the full balance pass in place? Bingo twice over. Cloaks are not behaving like the Dev Blog indicated. Fix that and gently tweak then observe how the changes play out. Adjust Mediums to the current level of Heavies & Light Frames. Best possible balance achieved with minimal collateral damage. The only alternative is to nerf Light & Sentinel Frames down to Mediums. Hopefully leaving the Commandos alone. Using 2013 as a reference we can safely say the nerfing will go overboard. My hope is whatever changes that do occur are small and incremental. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2434	Posted - 2014.04.24 01:28:00 - [42] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses. Removing it altogether might be a bit too much. I'd say lower it to be a STD profile dampner instead of the free CPX one. Test that out, first.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1025	Posted - 2014.04.24 01:55:00 - [43] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: . . . Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing. If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes. Enoth of me ranting now. ...O ...M ...G !!! O_o That actually makes scary helluva lot sense! Came back to Dust from a break and what did I find? Cloakies with absolute invisibility which works in all situations.=(
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1025	Posted - 2014.04.24 02:08:00 - [44] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Honestly they f*cked up when they added the cloaks by making them too cheap. In EVE when something new like that (a new technology or radically different thing) is added to the game it is done so in stages. At first it is VERY expensive (like 100x normal cost) because it is new and in limited supply... then as things even out, it comes down in price. But since this game does not have a market: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137656&find=unread Then we have to artificially do this. Well CCP forgot to do this. And thus we have the situation we have now. Thanks CCP for the short-sightedness. Price balancing, the worst balancing. Came back to Dust from a break and what did I find? Cloakies with absolute invisibility which works in all situations.=(
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 113	Posted - 2014.04.24 03:02:00 - [45] - Quote Asssaults just need better bonuses Obvious troll is Obvious Join THE SUPERHEROS today :D
Reaper Alim highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 11	Posted - 2014.04.28 18:09:00 - [46] - Quote Well I raged quited the game after faceing a team of 10 scouts and cloaks basicly most of us on our team did not sell out and follow the rest of the sheep and exploiters. We are went negitve even some of us that normally got about and way above positive. I'm not the best player but when you can't get across the map without getting gunned down by a scout with a cloak from behind you or my favorite hit detection not working because they move side to side to fast even with a HMG a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle. Bottom line is Dust atm is no where worthy of being on my PS3 till CCP address the problem. Back to BF4 I go.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 258	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:25:00 - [47] - Quote Skill> majority of dust community After cloak nerf you QQers will find something else to cry about just watch Cloak nerf From the QQers that brought you Ms nerf Sout nerf Heavy nerf Logi nerf Laser nerf Scanner nerf Lav nerf Av nerf Dropship nerf Play the game and stop cry about everything
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 67	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:33:00 - [48] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Well I raged quited the game after faceing a team of 10 scouts and cloaks basicly most of us on our team did not sell out and follow the rest of the sheep and exploiters. We are went negitve even some of us that normally got about and way above positive. I'm not the best player but when you can't get across the map without getting gunned down by a scout with a cloak from behind you or my favorite hit detection not working because they move side to side to fast even with a HMG a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle. Bottom line is Dust atm is no where worthy of being on my PS3 till CCP address the problem. Back to BF4 I go. Goodbye negative player. The game can thrive just a little bit more now. "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it." -Robert E. Lee
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:43:00 - [49] - Quote How about l2p? To hard I know QQ away
Selinate deux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:50:00 - [50] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Selinate deux wrote: (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS) Here we go again... Ikr it's like their flogging the skelliton of the long long dead horse. You need to try it - look: 'WHY SCOUT STAMINA So HI!? THEY VERY MOBILE ANd CAN RUN AWay - THEN tHEY *** AGAIN WITH CLACKs and shoot me IN THE BAKs!!!?? SO MUCH BS - NERF STAmina CCP!!!' Oooooh There's like this tingly feeling that starts from my nose all the way down the back of my spine - try it and you'll understand why people do it... It's not my fault all you can do is regurgitate this useless whining on these forums about cloaks because you're blind to the blue shimmer. The only problem with cloaks is main weapons. It serves its purpose otherwise. Any other suggestion is just whining and unconstructive at this point since they all involve destroying the ability of the cloak to do its job.

Ronour Butcher's Nails 1	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:57:00 - [51] - Quote I can summarize all the issues with scouts discussed in these forums is: excess CPU/PG. Why on New Eden does a light dropsuit scout have more CPU/PG than the medium dropsuit assault and the heavy dropsuit commando? Combine the excess CPU/PG with the fitting bonus they get for the cloaking device and you get a ninja super-suit with enough CPU/PG to go full proto on their weapons and hi/low slots. Let's not forget the extra equipment slot. The reason that we upgrade from basic to advance to pro to suits is for the extra CPU, PG and slots. A scout technically speaking outperform the assault and commando suits in all of three of these.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2094	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:57:00 - [52] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: So much rubbish. Firstly there are not that many scouts. There are loads of heavies and similar numbers of scouts, assaults and logis. Secondly, assault suits have much more hp than scouts, even brick tanked Gallente scouts. Cloaks don't help much if you fit lots of armor and play like an assault, neither does avoiding scans. If you are using an assault suit, stick with your team-mates and you will be much more successful. Scouts aren't much faster than assaults. The only changes that possibly need to be made are: -Re-balance assault suit module slots (as CCP have stated they intend to do) by adding one slot to std and adv assault suits, but not proto. -Nerf armor plates slightly -exchange Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts. If you want to change a skill, make it to where it is replaced. Also, it is balanced with other Scouts atm. The other Scouts just don't have their EWAR's. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2094	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:58:00 - [53] - Quote Ronour wrote: I can summarize all the issues with scouts discussed in these forums is: excess CPU/PG. Why on New Eden does a light dropsuit scout have more CPU/PG than the medium dropsuit assault and the heavy dropsuit commando? Combine the excess CPU/PG with the fitting bonus they get for the cloaking device and you get a ninja super-suit with enough CPU/PG to go full proto on their weapons and hi/low slots. Let's not forget the extra equipment slot. The reason that we upgrade from basic to advance to pro to suits is for the extra CPU, PG and slots. A scout technically speaking outperform the assault and commando suits in all of three of these. You, I.... man you're stupid as ****. Do you even scout? Furthermore, do you even balance? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 576	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:59:00 - [54] - Quote Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly
Yeeeuuuupppp The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 276	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:00:00 - [55] - Quote I dunno man, my winmatar and amarr assault hold their own against noob cloakers CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
Selinate deux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:00:00 - [56] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly Oh wow! You saw scouts in the games you played in! That sucks man, sorry to hear that people are using the scouts suits and cloaks now! That must have been rough. Maybe you should try aiming for the bright blue shimmer next time?!?!?!
Yeeeuuuupppp The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 276	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:01:00 - [57] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly Can I haz your iskies mate? CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
Selinate deux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:01:00 - [58] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: I dunno man, my winmatar and amarr assault hold their own against noob cloakers Because the only thing that's unbalanced is the brick tanked cloakers with shotguns who sit and wait and then 1-shot anything that crosses their path. Increase movement penalty on armor plates or vary them by dropsuit class and remove the main slot weapon and replace with cloak and it shall be fixed.
Yeeeuuuupppp The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 276	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:07:00 - [59] - Quote Selinate deux wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: I dunno man, my winmatar and amarr assault hold their own against noob cloakers Because the only thing that's unbalanced is the brick tanked cloakers with shotguns who sit and wait and then 1-shot anything that crosses their path. Increase movement penalty on armor plates or vary them by dropsuit class and remove the main slot weapon and replace with cloak and it shall be fixed. Who else would use a shotgun besides scouts? And scouts don't use regular plates if they're smart, they use ferroscale. If a scout is brick tanked with a shotgun then they have to be dying a lot, there is no way in Hell you can evade enemy fire with 4 complex armor plates on, even if you have a cloak. Ps: if you ***** looked you'd see the shimmer as they run. Smart scouts don't sit still unless they know you're coming CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9*" Mic status: Muted* Feel the wrath of my troll
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 576	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:11:00 - [60] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly Can I haz your iskies mate? You can buy the ps3

Yeeeuuuupppp The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 280	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:23:00 - [61] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly Can I haz your iskies mate? You can buy the ps3 Pfft, I'm surprised I still have this one.. come on man, help a brotha out CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
Reaper Alim highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 13	Posted - 2014.04.29 13:56:00 - [62] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Skill> majority of dust community After cloak nerf you QQers will find something else to cry about just watch Cloak nerf From the QQers that brought you Ms nerf Sout nerf Heavy nerf Logi nerf Laser nerf Scanner nerf Lav nerf Av nerf Dropship nerf Play the game and stop cry about everything I have a better one for your troll attempt how about we don't play the game at all and just leave all the nubs with the scouts with cloaks the only ones who plays DUST. See yall for now I won't be back till they fix and balance it out with the rest of the suits or just take cloaks out of the game and leave the scout suits alone. CCP would not evern dare do half the stuff they do to DUST on Eve. Oh guess I'll just support CCP on Eve.
Reaper Alim highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 13	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:04:00 - [63] - Quote Yeah and let the game drop below 1000 players on the DUST server. Between CCP and the DUST player base for exploiting CCP's hic-ups pretty much completely destoryed the game. You know it's sad when playing BF4 with players with no mics. and no team work is the funnest. Sad times for the FPS genre indeed. If any of yalls got a FPS that has a great game and communty send me a message.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 944	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:10:00 - [64] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: argh, what -scouts are extremely common, especially among high SP players You must play different games than me I rarely encounters THAT much scouts sure their numbers have increased as the suit is now viable again but that's it. I still see way more heavies and a comparable amount of Logis and assaults. Jotun Izalaru wrote: -It doesn't matter how much HP assaults have, scouts shouldn't be brick tanking because it comes with extremely minimum movement penalties and it furthers cloak abuse which... Interesting from my experience the penalty is quite noticeable. And why should brick tanking not be allowed for scouts when speed tanking or stealth tanking is allowed on all the other suits? I have asked this question quite some times but till now I did not get an answer... Stop thinking in a strict role concept... Jotun Izalaru wrote: -...is a big deal because cloaks are literally broken. they allow a full shotgun or knife attack while still invisible and allow scouts to be e-war invisible without even attempting profile dampening. this comes with no penalties or disadvantages.. +ähm they are not, they don't provide invisibility, they just provide a decent level of camouflage. Even the delay is not much of a problem as you are more visible during decloaking but from my perspective the decloak should be instant and thats it. Its just people are still way too used to old scanning where evryone was nearly perma highlighted on the tac net. There are numerous players that don't have great difficulties in killing cloaked scouts...so why do you have such problems?? Jotun Izalaru wrote: -scouts should be faster than assaults so this is part of the problem too. scouts have needed a buffed base speed (or mediums a reduced one) since Uprising dropped. here I agree:) Jotun Izalaru wrote: - you are finally correct, armor plates need their old movement penalty back or less HP Honestly this is tricky if you give plates too much of a penalty they become again worthless the only thing that needs a small adjustment is basic/militia plates they are too effective for the penalty...
pseudosnipre 690	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:19:00 - [65] - Quote Reaper Alim wrote: Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend their money... The slowest train has finally pulled into the station. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML


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