argh, what

-scouts are extremely common, especially among high SP players

-It doesn't matter how much HP assaults have, scouts shouldn't be brick tanking because it comes with extremely minimum movement penalties and it furthers cloak abuse which...

-...is a big deal because cloaks are literally broken. they allow a full shotgun or knife attack while still invisible and allow scouts to be e-war invisible without even attempting profile dampening. this comes with no penalties or disadvantages.

-scouts should be faster than assaults so this is part of the problem too. scouts have needed a buffed base speed (or mediums a reduced one) since Uprising dropped.

so for your solutions.

- there is nothing wrong with the tiers of gear. it's all fundamentally wrong to begin with

- you are finally correct, armor plates need their old movement penalty back or less HP

-nah, that's dumb and completely ineffectual anyway.

Ikr it's like their flogging the skelliton of the long long dead horse.

When med frames could outperform the scout in its roles, everyone said buff scout (ok - and nerf logi...).

When a balance pass goes through that didn't balance med frames and it starts looking like scouts are stepping on the toes of med frames - the most popular suggestion seems to be - nerf scout?

The Dust community is awesome.

I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses.

Before 1.8 scouts didn't really have a role because everyone was always on passive radar, then when active scanners came around we had scannerinas meaning everyone was always on the radar. It wasn't medium frames taking over the scout role, it was that a scout role didn't exist. Now with a combination of a cloak bug (being able to fire while invisible), an extra equipment slot that is only needed because a cloaked scout should still be able to have a piece of equipment, the ability to tank more than a medium suit, and being the only suit that is capable of detecting or evading scout suits do everything a medium suit can do and do it both better and in a more cost effective way.

When the buffs given to something are overdone and take over the roles of two classes of suits it's far easier to adjust the changes you just made than to redesign everything else. If they buff the flaylock and overdo it, should they nerf the flaylock or buff every suit and weapon in the game? The effect is the same, balance. One method requires less work and thinking, the other more.

Before 1.8 scouts didn't really have a role because everyone was always on passive radar, then when active scanners came around we had scannerinas meaning everyone was always on the radar. It wasn't medium frames taking over the scout role, it was that a scout role didn't exist. Now with a combination of a cloak bug (being able to fire while invisible), an extra equipment slot that is only needed because a cloaked scout should still be able to have a piece of equipment, the ability to tank more than a medium suit, and being the only suit that is capable of detecting or evading scout suits do everything a medium suit can do and do it both better and in a more cost effective way.

When the buffs given to something are overdone and take over the roles of two classes of suits it's far easier to adjust the changes you just made than to redesign everything else. If they buff the flaylock and overdo it, should they nerf the flaylock or buff every suit and weapon in the game? The effect is the same, balance. One method requires less work and thinking, the other more.

- Scouts shouldn't be brick tanking
- why not?

- brick tanking furthers cloak abuse
- errm what? Brick tanking limits the effectiveness of a cloak. Cloaks can't be used for frontal assaults as they are easily spotted at close range unless stationary. Cloaks are useful for flanking. Armour limits flanking ability as it slows you down and takes up slots that could be used for biotics or ewar, which are both useful for flanking.

- cloaks are broken
- ok so maybe by abuse you meant people using cloaks for surprise frontal attacks not flanks. Is this really a big problem? My logi or assault suits very rarely get killed by people decloaking I front of me. Maybe the decloak to shoot time does need increasing, many people claim the current situation is a bug so maybe when that's solved things will be better.

- Swap scout's dampening for more speed.

- tiers
- so you are completely fine with std and adv scouts having the same module counts are assaults?

I would argue that Basic and Advanced cloak tools could stand to be tuned down (to make Prototype gear more attractive).

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Med frames are still due to be balanced - like lights and heavies were in 1.8. Meds were missed out. CCP stated this.

Glitches - sure, fix them ASAP.

But why rebalance the light frame in any relatively drastic way before we have the full balance pass in place?

I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses.

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Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing.

If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes.

Enoth of me ranting now.

Honestly they f*cked up when they added the cloaks by making them too cheap. In EVE when something new like that (a new technology or radically different thing) is added to the game it is done so in stages. At first it is VERY expensive (like 100x normal cost) because it is new and in limited supply... then as things even out, it comes down in price. But since this game does not have a market:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137656&find=unread

Then we have to artificially do this. Well CCP forgot to do this. And thus we have the situation we have now. Thanks CCP for the short-sightedness.

Well I raged quited the game after faceing a team of 10 scouts and cloaks basicly most of us on our team did not sell out and follow the rest of the sheep and exploiters. We are went negitve even some of us that normally got about and way above positive. I'm not the best player but when you can't get across the map without getting gunned down by a scout with a cloak from behind you or my favorite hit detection not working because they move side to side to fast even with a HMG a Rail Rifle and a Combat Rifle. Bottom line is Dust atm is no where worthy of being on my PS3 till CCP address the problem. Back to BF4 I go.

You need to try it - look:

'WHY SCOUT STAMINA So HI!? THEY VERY MOBILE ANd CAN RUN AWay - THEN tHEY *** AGAIN WITH CLACKs and shoot me IN THE BAKs!!!?? SO MUCH BS - NERF STAmina CCP!!!'

Oooooh

There's like this tingly feeling that starts from my nose all the way down the back of my spine - try it and you'll understand why people do it...

So much rubbish.

Firstly there are not that many scouts. There are loads of heavies and similar numbers of scouts, assaults and logis.

Secondly, assault suits have much more hp than scouts, even brick tanked Gallente scouts.

Cloaks don't help much if you fit lots of armor and play like an assault, neither does avoiding scans. If you are using an assault suit, stick with your team-mates and you will be much more successful.

Scouts aren't much faster than assaults.

The only changes that possibly need to be made are:

-Re-balance assault suit module slots (as CCP have stated they intend to do) by adding one slot to std and adv assault suits, but not proto.

-Nerf armor plates slightly

-exchange Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts.

I can summarize all the issues with scouts discussed in these forums is: excess CPU/PG.

Why on New Eden does a light dropsuit scout have more CPU/PG than the medium dropsuit assault and the heavy dropsuit commando? Combine the excess CPU/PG with the fitting bonus they get for the cloaking device and you get a ninja super-suit with enough CPU/PG to go full proto on their weapons and hi/low slots. Let's not forget the extra equipment slot.

The reason that we upgrade from basic to advance to pro to suits is for the extra CPU, PG and slots. A scout technically speaking outperform the assault and commando suits in all of three of these.

Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly

Stopped playing in nov, came back last night, scouts with cloaks in every game. Needless to say you'll be seeing a PS3 on eBay shortly

I dunno man, my winmatar and amarr assault hold their own against noob cloakers

Because the only thing that's unbalanced is the brick tanked cloakers with shotguns who sit and wait and then 1-shot anything that crosses their path.

Increase movement penalty on armor plates or vary them by dropsuit class and remove the main slot weapon and replace with cloak and it shall be fixed.

Can I haz your iskies mate?