I say just start with removing the scan profile bonus while cloaked, and if that doesnt work, get rid of profile bonuses.

This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues.

This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues.

Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field.

I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me?

Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak.

Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing.

If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes.

Enoth of me ranting now.

Should've just stopped at get rid of profile profile bonuses.

Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier.


so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak.

This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues.

Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field.

I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me?

Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak.

Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing.

If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes.

Enoth of me ranting now.

This is BS. Assaults get enough bonuses as it is to do their job. Seriously, focus on the actual problems with scouts right now (REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS), and stop it with all of these other non-issues.

So much rubbish.

Firstly there are not that many scouts. There are loads of heavies and similar numbers of scouts, assaults and logis.

Secondly, assault suits have much more hp than scouts, even brick tanked Gallente scouts.

Cloaks don't help much if you fit lots of armor and play like an assault, neither does avoiding scans. If you are using an assault suit, stick with your team-mates and you will be much more successful.

Scouts aren't much faster than assaults.

The only changes that possibly need to be made are:

-Re-balance assault suit module slots (as CCP have stated they intend to do) by adding one slot to std and adv assault suits, but not proto.

-Nerf armor plates slightly

-Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts.

-Remove Gallente scout scan range bonus to balance the suit with the other scouts.

Just make cloaks a light weapon

and remove the extra equipment slot from scouts

yes, awesome! great idea



no, awful idea!

scouts needed that extra equipment slot back when they were underpowered, don't drag them down because cloaks turned out just as ****** as everyone thought they would.

(REMOVE MAIN WEAPON FROM SCOUTS AND ONLY ALLOW SIDE ARMS)

Which bonus are Cal and Min scouts going to lose as well? They both have 2

argh, what

-scouts are extremely common, especially among high SP players

-It doesn't matter how much HP assaults have, scouts shouldn't be brick tanking because it comes with extremely minimum movement penalties and it furthers cloak abuse which...

-...is a big deal because cloaks are literally broken. they allow a full shotgun or knife attack while still invisible and allow scouts to be e-war invisible without even attempting profile dampening. this comes with no penalties or disadvantages.

-scouts should be faster than assaults so this is part of the problem too. scouts have needed a buffed base speed (or mediums a reduced one) since Uprising dropped.

so for your solutions.

- there is nothing wrong with the tiers of gear. it's all fundamentally wrong to begin with

- you are finally correct, armor plates need their old movement penalty back or less HP

-nah, that's dumb and completely ineffectual anyway.

This is a little off topic but I was referring to balancing Gallente with minmatar and caldari scouts. Gallente scouts are by far the most common, implying they are better than the others.
Also, pretty much all complaints about scouts are referring to Gal scouts.

I reckon Gal scout's dampening bonus, combined with the innate armour rep is on a par with the Cal scout's scanning bonuses and improved shield recharge. Gal scouts don't need an extra scan range bonus as well. Leave scanning bonuses to Cal scouts.

As for minmatar scouts, the knife bonus doesn't really count. Knives are fun but they are not really competitive. Having a bonus to only one weapon is very limited. Also, the bonus, whilst significant, is rarely useful even if you are using knives. Also, min scouts suffer from low pg making fitting much more difficult than for Gal scouts.

Just get rid of the cloak profile dampening and remove the scout bonus to cloak fits (and give them a real bonus instead).

Then it doesn't even matter if they fix the shoot while cloaking exploit. If you want to nerf scouts further, restore the movement penalties to armor to their previous levels. it was such dumb change anyway.

Scouts have been made to be the new assaults. Ever been in 3 matches back to back where they was half the other team with scouts with cloaks and shots before the patch? Now it seems they every match has half the team with scouts outdoing the assaults and assaulting objectives and being the front-line soldier. Scouts can start shooting you while still cloaked, they run much faster then any other suit out in the game right now, they can fit better cloaks, and thanks to they DS scan profile bonuses they don't have to fit profile dampers anymore and still go unseen by any scanner with the exception of on in the hands of a Gallente Logistics they are basicly ruling the battle field.

I'm just curious, does anyone else see something wrong with this picture or is it just me?

Picked up my scout I had for a about 5 months now and just destroyed almost everything and was able to just run away and cloak up when things was unfavorable. I have to say being able to shoot people while the cloak is running is pretty "Over Powered" and is very unfair after understanding this I've stop playing it more so when me who has no ideal how to scout can jump into a squad full of proto users and kill 4 of them before dying just because I got greedy and tried to kill them all. Best of all it was in a Adv Gallente Scout suit with almost 450 hp and a cloak.

Bottom line is I am catching on to what CCP is doing with this game. Basically rotation the OP classes and weapons so all the try hards go and spend there money on AUR Boosters basically trying squeeze what little money they can out of with little population that stayed playing.

If I'm wrong CCP then my apologizes.

Enoth of me ranting now.

I like the idea of cloak going in the light weapon slot and the extra equipment slot being removed. Scouts are stepping pretty heavily on the feet of logistics suits atm. They make an ideal medic. You can run fast enough to revive someone before they bleed out while evading detection and then repair them once they're on their feet. On top of that you're still more combat capable than a logi suit. Sidearms can be pretty deadly too, especially if you can get close.

If this was done it might be possible to do away with the fitting restriction and lowering the fitting cost a little, since a slow moving suit with only a sidearm is hardly at an advantage. It would also create the idea of cloaked commandos, who trade a weapon for an improved ability to ambush. Could be disastrous, or really interesting.

Here we go again...