https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSBICx2yyZo

This video goes into detail about cloaking. I have no comment yet, but judge it for yourself.

Excellent video, and it showcases beautifully what I mean.

In the shadow, scouts are easy to see.
In the light, good ******* luck.



It's why when I need to combat scouts, I go to a badly lit place so I could see them more easily.
Some maps are just badly lit in general, which makes it perfect for my 100m laser snipes

But shouldn't that be ok, because the purpose of the cloak is to try to blend with the surroundings. The fact that there's lighting that helps the scout just means that there are places where it's easier to blend with the environment. We should also acknowledge that it should obviously be harder to see a cloaked scout who's farther away, it's much easier to see them close up, which is good because if you're looking you should be able to see them come in CQC with you.

But shouldn't that be ok, because the purpose of the cloak is to try to blend with the surroundings. The fact that there's lighting that helps the scout just means that there are places where it's easier to blend with the environment. We should also acknowledge that it should obviously be harder to see a cloaked scout who's farther away, it's much easier to see them close up, which is good because if you're looking you should be able to see them come in CQC with you.

It should be noted that all these "problem areas" are from a good distance and out in the open. The cloak should be good at crossing such areas, mostly because scouts are weak out in the field and can't really do much at great distances, excelling more in CQB. Had Judge been closer, I don't think he'd have much trouble seeing either scout.

Also it is difficult to see cloaked scouts when distracted (fighting another enemy, not paying attention, etc). That's the point. As you saw in his still frames, you can still see the scout if you know you're looking for it.

In the second one, it's a light blue, translucent shimmer on a near identical background, of course it's hard to see (from a good distance as well I might add). If it was a red shimmer, it would be hard to see on the desert map, green shimmer on grassy maps. Colors blend.

Granted there may be visual rendering bugs or something (which of course should be addressed), but I think overall theses are poor examples of the cloaks faults.

It should be noted that all these "problem areas" are from a good distance and out in the open. The cloak should be good at crossing such areas, mostly because scouts are weak out in the field and can't really do much at great distances, excelling more in CQB. Had Judge been closer, I don't think he'd have much trouble seeing either scout.

Also it is difficult to see cloaked scouts when distracted (fighting another enemy, not paying attention, etc). That's the point. As you saw in his still frames, you can still see the scout if you know you're looking for it.

In the second one, it's a light blue, translucent shimmer on a near identical background, of course it's hard to see (from a good distance as well I might add). If it was a red shimmer, it would be hard to see on the desert map, green shimmer on grassy maps. Colors blend.

Granted there may be visual rendering bugs or something (which of course should be addressed), but I think overall theses are poor examples of the cloaks faults.

Good case to temporarily remove cloaks like they did with some weapons until they are more functionally correct, but I do feel cloaks are worthwhile having in the game.

That death at 1:10...ha ha, amazingly bad luck.

I disagree. Not with your arguement about distractions or color blending. But that this is poor evidence of cloaking faults. The video is not in poor visual quality, you can see frame by frame screens, and the targets are only between 50-75 meters in range which is consider mid range combat zones (check the battle information when he is aiming).

I thought blending in with the environment was suppose to be done by standing still not sprinting though..

Good scouts never needed cloak before, so making sure that running while cloaked is noticeable is definitely important. Cloak is for sneaking, not sprinting.

Up to a certain extent yes, but when you're that far away, it should be harder to see them, if not mostly invisible.

if you want to sneak up on somebody then you have to run/sprint/move.....what you just said didn't make sense lol.

Vulpes mate. I thought I was quite clear. I was not saying the cloak needs changing, or it is broken. I said this a few times in the video. I am responding to people who have been saying that cloaks are easy to see, and if you cannot then you need to get good.

That guy I tracked was not visible. Maybe a bug, maybe design. It matters not. I could not see him at all at full sprint at only 60 meters away. This supports people who say they are hard to see.

Now the question for you all is "Is this fair and balanced.. or not?"

Also liked the puns ;) Yu have some British in you there.

That guy I tracked was not visible. Maybe a bug, maybe design. It matters not. I could not see him at all at full sprint at only 60 meters away. This supports people who say they are hard to see.

Now the question for you all is "Is this fair and balanced.. or not?"

Good scouts never needed cloak before, so making sure that running while cloaked is noticeable is definitely important. Cloak is for sneaking, not sprinting.

Is a cloaked Scout less noticeable when crouched and moving slowly?

Is a cloaked Scout less noticeable when crouched and moving slowly?

In my opinion, it is a nice counter balance to the fact that cloaks are broken in the other direction as well.

For people who are unhappy about cloaks being used for CQC... well okay, then where should they be good for? Surely, for sneaking across open areas.
But I've gotten nailed in a cloak by an RR from 50m out, many times, with noone else around.
(So they clearly ID'd me alone, rather than being a lucky spot while looking around someone else.)

And there's the issue that there is no difference in shimmer when moving slowly. Moving slowly gives same visibility as sprinting. This is broken: there should be less, if you're walking rather than sprinting.

The daylight invisibility counters those bugs. Thank goodness, because otherwise, it would be almost useless IMO.

So, if daylight invisibility is not a design feature but a cloak bug... then it is critical that CCP fix those other negative bugs about the cloak, before they take away this positive bug.