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Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 547	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote I've read a lot of posts recently about new player experiences and a common theme is new players being thrown into the deep end wearing cement boots by the large corp/alliances QSync'ing and proto stomping which discourages new players to stay as they don't get any enjoyment out of it. What worries me is if this kinda of gameplay could end up being the ruin of DUST itself. sure its nice to stomp around showing everyone how big your wa...llet is but is it really worth being the kings of an empty game? yeah we can all chant HTFU at the noobs in MLT gear and recruit rifles but what happens when CCP have to close the servers because its too costly to run because we're not increasing the playerbase (and CCPs income from DUST) its alarming that out of the 11-12 friends i've encouraged to play the game zero are stil playing because of the way the large corps behave in pub matches. i'm all for people who feel the need to run proto to do so, hell there was a time i felt i needed to until i got better at the game and i've slowly moved myself down the scale to running STD/ADV gear now, but its very obvious that these corps really don't need to and it basically is all about measuring d**s. they're talented players who could run rings around majority of the rest of us if they wished but until CCP fix things how about those of us with some common sense take it on ourselves to 'fix' the unbalance by running in the listed game modes Pub matches - STD FW - ADV PC - Proto (as normal) or how about some kinda of 'gentlemans agreement' of leaving the oceana/asia servers as they used to be so they can be used as noob servers and we all only run STD gear? or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Rolling with the punches
Patrick57 7032	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:57:00 - [2] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Lol Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 547	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Lol yer i know wishfull thinking but y'know Rolling with the punches
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 203	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:00:00 - [4] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: ...or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!! Never gonna happen. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1114	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:01:00 - [5] - Quote Maybe when PC 2.0 comes around they will be too busy to protostomp. Hopefully we will hear something more concrete at fanfest, though I don't have high hopes. Looking for the scout hangout?
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 319	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:02:00 - [6] - Quote Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 180	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:03:00 - [7] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. Why not? I mean, if you have 500 million ISK what does it even matter? I'm a logi now! :D
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 548	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:03:00 - [8] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can Rolling with the punches
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 286	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:04:00 - [9] - Quote Quite frankly, yes. This is far more damaging to the future of the game rather most of the other issues Dust has. Sadly when new players have "grown up" and gotten to the point where they COULD protostomp they feel like "why not, no one did me any favors". Its a vicious cycle that isn't going to be resolved by player initiative. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 548	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:07:00 - [10] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: ...or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!! maybe they should. i would have hoped that the higher ups int he corp/alliances were mature enough to see the impact that driving away a steady flow of new players could have on the game and attempt some kind of action. as i said. whats the point of being a king of a dead game? Rolling with the punches

KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5116	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:09:00 - [11] - Quote ''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...'' No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all'' I know this because i used to be like this. After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD. You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know. Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered. Example: ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself. In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY. To counter team play, team play must be used. What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE. this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2366	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:12:00 - [12] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've read a lot of posts recently about new player experiences and a common theme is new players being thrown into the deep end wearing cement boots by the large corp/alliances QSync'ing and proto stomping which discourages new players to stay as they don't get any enjoyment out of it. What worries me is if this kinda of gameplay could end up being the ruin of DUST itself. sure its nice to stomp around showing everyone how big your wa...llet is but is it really worth being the kings of an empty game? yeah we can all chant HTFU at the noobs in MLT gear and recruit rifles but what happens when CCP have to close the servers because its too costly to run because we're not increasing the playerbase (and CCPs income from DUST) its alarming that out of the 11-12 friends i've encouraged to play the game zero are stil playing because of the way the large corps behave in pub matches. i'm all for people who feel the need to run proto to do so, hell there was a time i felt i needed to until i got better at the game and i've slowly moved myself down the scale to running STD/ADV gear now, but its very obvious that these corps really don't need to and it basically is all about measuring d**s. they're talented players who could run rings around majority of the rest of us if they wished but until CCP fix things how about those of us with some common sense take it on ourselves to 'fix' the unbalance by running in the listed game modes Pub matches - STD FW - ADV PC - Proto (as normal) or how about some kinda of 'gentlemans agreement' of leaving the oceana/asia servers as they used to be so they can be used as noob servers and we all only run STD gear? or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. p.s the reason i posted this now is that as i've been playing tonight i've just seen the same 10 squads running all night The vet community is well aware the NPE sucks balls off a donkey. We would love for ccp to address this but sadly they havent said a word for 6 months about anything. They are determined to make new players go away. That said, limiting what I or anyone uses in the game contradicts the whole risk vs reward thing that is suppose to exist in dust. That and you idea was tested in closed beta and eveyone hated it aka no on used it Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5116	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:13:00 - [13] - Quote ''f leaving the oceana/asia servers as they used to be so they can be used as noob servers and we all only run STD gear?'' I like this idea. Could work. But its up to CCP to regulate the LEVEL of SP in pub matches. 3 30 mill players on one side? Well SCotty should put the OTHER squad with 15 mill players on the OTHER side, not put the m with the 3 30mill players so they can OP STOMP the **t out of newbie players. +1 Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1938	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:15:00 - [14] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can It's not as though only PC exploiters can run proto in pubs. I do it from time to time, when my wallet builds up, when I'm drunk and want the crutch, or when there's a lot of enemy proto gear out and about. An evening of running standard gear easily pays for some matches of cruising around in the fancy stuff. What else was I going to spend the ISK on? Nerdier than thou
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 552	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:21:00 - [15] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can It's not as though only PC exploiters can run proto in pubs. I do it from time to time, when my wallet builds up, when I'm drunk and want the crutch, or when there's a lot of enemy proto gear out and about. An evening of running standard gear easily pays for some matches of cruising around in the fancy stuff. What else was I going to spend the ISK on? oh hell yeah. i have more than enough isk to run proto, but i now feel at a level where i dont need to. i make up fo rit with th eproto skills applied to basic suits and in all honesty i'm not the best fps gamer. my gun game has imporoved in the 2 yrs since playing dust where i can get a respectable kdr in bpos and adv gear that i used to have to use proto for. but this evening all i've seen have been the large PC corps just stomping ambush all evening. games have been utter opposites. we've either been the ones gettign stomped through the floor or on the side of the guys doing the stomping either way its been one of the dullest evenings yet for me. it could be months before CCP get round to fixing matchmakign and the NPE so havign the playerbase take responsibility could be a quick stop-gap until they do Rolling with the punches
CRYPT3C W0LF SilenT AngelS RISE of LEGION 596	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:26:00 - [16] - Quote Huh. I think I'm noticing something. All DNS alliance players are defending why they should be able to Protostomp in pubs with their infinite ISK exploiting. Anyone else seeing a trend? I Make Youtube Videos!:) Forum evolution, the cycle must continue...
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1961	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:29:00 - [17] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Huh. I think I'm noticing something. All DNS alliance players are defending why they should be able to Protostomp in pubs with their infinite ISK exploiting. Anyone else seeing a trend? its always been this way in dust, the exploiters defend their tactics and ccp is falls for it. but I don't blame the players I blame ccp. ccp has the power to fix it yet remains impotent. this game makes me sad....
CRYPT3C W0LF SilenT AngelS RISE of LEGION 597	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:47:00 - [18] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Huh. I think I'm noticing something. All DNS alliance players are defending why they should be able to Protostomp in pubs with their infinite ISK exploiting. Anyone else seeing a trend? its always been this way in dust, the exploiters defend their tactics and ccp is falls for it. but I don't blame the players I blame ccp. ccp has the power to fix it yet remains impotent. I do agree that CCP is to blame for a part of this mess, although it also is the players that took advantage of the exploit. Completely voiding the EULA, and still will likely receive little to no punishment for permanently damaging the game. If CCP isn't going to handle fixing the various game breaking exploits in their own game, they need to crack down on the exploiters and make an example of what happens by serving out severe punishments if you're found purposefully using an exploit to gain a competitive advantage. I Make Youtube Videos!:) Forum evolution, the cycle must continue...
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 515	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:04:00 - [19] - Quote The problem isn't the protogear or the protostomping, its that one does not have a choice whether to play against these people or not. Its the combination of squad play and HP that leaves n00bs feeling like they got kicked in the balls. Matchmaking cant work with so few players. Sp restrictions will be exploited There has to be a different way to play the game than getting kicked in the teeth by invincible opposition. Like a meta 2 match. A match that only allows up to and not including advanced tier. Let the skills do the talking. CCP Logibro is awesome.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 290	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:17:00 - [20] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: The problem isn't the protogear or the protostomping, its that one does not have a choice whether to play against these people or not. Its the combination of squad play and HP that leaves n00bs feeling like they got kicked in the balls. Matchmaking cant work with so few players. Sp restrictions will be exploited There has to be a different way to play the game than getting kicked in the teeth by invincible opposition. Like a meta 2 match. A match that only allows up to and not including advanced tier. Let the skills do the talking. Like a MLT Arena? That could work if MLT gear doesn't receive passive skill bonuses. Still, would only partially alleviate the problem of whats going on in PubsGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.

Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 205	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:22:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...'' No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all'' I know this because i used to be like this. After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD. You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know. Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered. Example: ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself. In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY. To counter team play, team play must be used. What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE. this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO.... In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter what the cause is. Vets will continue to stomp the life out of the game by stomping the life out of new players in an attempt to stroke their e-peens. The gear they use doesn't matter. You're right, the SP difference will lead to a vet having a suit that is at least 50% more dangerous than a noob because they can run the exact same suit and modules yet have more HP and more damage. But it doesn't matter. Because CCP engineered a game that skull fucks new players out of their minds to the point that they quit and the game dies. If the NPE isn't improved and the vets separated from the new kids for at least the new kids' first 5-7M SP...the game will die. It's inevitable. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 140	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:26:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...'' No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all'' I know this because i used to be like this. After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD. You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know. Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered. Example: ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself. In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY. To counter team play, team play must be used. What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE. this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO.... And this is coming from the biggest proto stomp alliance of all time. No one outside of your alliance believes anything you people say. The only way we would believe is if DNS was dissolved. Don't worry, itll happen eventually I Start To Wonder If I Am Masochistic After Playing This Game...........
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 316	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:33:00 - [23] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can Actually, I do need to. Especially when drinking. Or I end up looking bad in front of my friends. Bang?
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 398	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:47:00 - [24] - Quote I was listening to 'The Mattani' talking on a podcast and he said "It's a sandbox and everybody makes their own rules, what's funny in a sandbox game is not your own standard of winning it's when somebody points at you and says 'you are playing with your sand in the wrong way'." Really you do not have any business telling anyone how they should run their suits. I have a fully skilled suit with alot of slots and alot of PG/CPU, I run that exactly the way I want, less I have someone dictating that I fill my unused slots with precision scanners. And if you do try that on someone, odds you are going to get sand kicked in your face. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 896	Posted - 2014.04.17 06:17:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...'' No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all'' I know this because i used to be like this. After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD. You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know. Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered. Example: ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself. In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY. To counter team play, team play must be used. What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE. this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO.... In weapons the advantage is small but when you look at suits or some mods (like shield extenders) that advantage is huge. Yes, it is very hard to overcome. Though I agree Proto isn't really the issue, a lot of it has to do with squads. CCP really couldn't matchmake around SP but you could matchmake with squads. If a squad is searching for a match pair them up with another squad before allowing then into a match. Sure there could be a hiccup or 2 but it would be much more balanced.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 771	Posted - 2014.04.17 06:20:00 - [26] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. Cuz they have nothing else to do but stomp, and they have isk to throw away. Rage at Fanfest??
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 491	Posted - 2014.04.17 06:43:00 - [27] - Quote It is an example of The Tragedy of the Commons. We have a shared resource that individuals use according to their own self-interest. There was an attempt to separate people by game mode but the players screwed that up. We have a river that we all use and the proto stompers are shitting in it and they have no reason not to. They like smelling daisy fresh without having to worry about burying their large piles. They don't necessarily want us to have to drink their crap, but they aren't going to change to stop it. Cultures differ in the way they handle the commons, you can't expect a culture that encourage exploiting others to handle the commons with concern for the community or others. Because, that's why.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 800	Posted - 2014.04.17 06:52:00 - [28] - Quote Yes... it's definitely ruining the game. Multi-pronged solutions will be the key, a better NPE, PVE... but the probem I see straight away with PVE is that it if's not integrated into the game properly, it will suck even more numbers from the low server populations as people will just find solace in not playing with proto-stompers.. and if the PVE is not engaging enough they will leave (which would have happened anyway) - it is really a difficult situation for a game to be in. Lets hope CCP Rouge has some ideas on how to fix it....
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3399	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:35:00 - [29] - Quote It is a problem but they dont care
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6815	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:39:00 - [30] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!! Never gonna happen. I haven't PRO stomped a PUB in the last 10 months. I guess I am leading the way! :D Heaven's Lost Swarmer [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:44:00 - [31] - Quote Mlt gear - Tries hard or dies Std - Tries hard ADV - tries a bit Proto - rolls a blunt while shooting you in the face I enjoy not having to play like it matters thanks. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:45:00 - [32] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Lol yer i know wishfull thinking but y'know but liek i said. its all fun and games an lol'ing away but reality is if dust's playerbase doens't increase whats CCPs incentive to keep it running? Most of the players playing right now, either have proto suits or working towards it... people with patience and proper planning will get better and stomp the other stompers.... The rest will come to the forums QQ and quit and play farmville
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2550	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:57:00 - [33] - Quote Forcing STD only in pubs doesn't fix anything. WTF will just turn up in STD gear and wolfpack like they do now. What needs to happen is for a performance based matchmaking to be implememted. 1) Match Squads vs Squads (for starters) 2) give everyone an infamy value 3) attempt to match people together by closest possible infamy voila, by matching to the closest, matchamking is still relatively fast by comparison to the orginal, doesn't fragment the playerbase like tiered matchmaking , creates more even matches that aren't likely to be as stacked in one direcion. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2660	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:39:00 - [34] - Quote I used to be in the anti-protostomp crowd, and I still donGÇÖt run proto in pubs on principle (and to a lesser extent as a financial necessity. I lose a lot of ISK in FW). While I do think itGÇÖs bad for the NPE, itGÇÖs not as bad as the NPE itselfGÇª the academy is a joke, there are no tutorials worth mentioning, no PvE(!), and the best GÇ£manualGÇ¥ out there is player-made, not produced by CCP. New players are simply left to blunder around and be farmed until/unless they have an epiphany and either join a good corp or hit the forums to learn. Even then we all know those people we help out and they bail on the game anyway because of the relentless beating they take. Now, IGÇÖm not excusing the protobears, because I still think itGÇÖs bad form, but I had an epiphany a few months ago. ItGÇÖs not them. With no protoGÇÖs in pubs, the payouts are terrible, so they are a necessary evil to an extent. ItGÇÖs the complete lack of matchmaking thatGÇÖs the problem. Think about it, what do we keep hearing over and over again? GÇ£ItGÇÖs a couple of us and 13 randoms against 2 stacked squads!GÇ¥ Nobody complains about GÇ£Me and ERA against Nyain SanGÇ¥. Those battles are great! Close fought, you donGÇÖt have 5 unopposed tanks itching to spawncamp, objectives get hacked, tactics are a thing, the noobs get to see (and hopefully learn) how the game should actually work. The problem is, since Scotty has roughly the same intellectual capacity as Gary Busey leaving a bar at 4am, it never happens. The squads are inexplicably put on the same teamGÇª Every. Single. Time. TL;DR: If you fix matchmaking, or should I say, actually have matchmaking, protostomping is a much smaller issue. (Still a little lame, but bearable) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2660	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:40:00 - [35] - Quote Oh, and Checkmate: LetGÇÖs be serious, there is absolutely an advantage to using proto gear. It may not be as big a deal as SP gap, but itGÇÖs still measurably superior. Weapons are a bad example because they scale differently. DonGÇÖt compare your ADV suits to your proto suits because I guarantee you have proto mods on those suits. Make a STD suit with STD mods and compare them to a top-to-bottom proto suit and the difference will be more obvious. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1981	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:44:00 - [36] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've read a lot of posts recently about new player experiences and a common theme is new players being thrown into the deep end wearing cement boots by the large corp/alliances QSync'ing and proto stomping which discourages new players to stay as they don't get any enjoyment out of it. What worries me is if this kinda of gameplay could end up being the ruin of DUST itself. sure its nice to stomp around showing everyone how big your wa...llet is but is it really worth being the kings of an empty game? yeah we can all chant HTFU at the noobs in MLT gear and recruit rifles but what happens when CCP have to close the servers because its too costly to run because we're not increasing the playerbase (and CCPs income from DUST) its alarming that out of the 11-12 friends i've encouraged to play the game zero are stil playing because of the way the large corps behave in pub matches. i'm all for people who feel the need to run proto to do so, hell there was a time i felt i needed to until i got better at the game and i've slowly moved myself down the scale to running STD/ADV gear now, but its very obvious that these corps really don't need to and it basically is all about measuring d**s. they're talented players who could run rings around majority of the rest of us if they wished but until CCP fix things how about those of us with some common sense take it on ourselves to 'fix' the unbalance by running in the listed game modes Pub matches - STD FW - ADV PC - Proto (as normal) or how about some kinda of 'gentlemans agreement' of leaving the oceana/asia servers as they used to be so they can be used as noob servers and we all only run STD gear? or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. p.s the reason i posted this now is that as i've been playing tonight i've just seen the same 10 squads running all night No. You can't ask a mercenary to not be a mercenary for the sake of the game. The responsibility lies entirely with CCP. How do we explain the lack of action on this issue? Either the technical difficulty of the problem has defeated them or pubstomping is not a priority for them. When evaluating this stuff we have to look at CCP's actions, not their words. I support SP rollover.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2007	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:03:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!! Never gonna happen. I haven't PRO stomped a PUB in the last 10 months. I guess I am leading the way! :D You haven't destroyed a vehicle in the last 10 months either. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 109	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:07:00 - [38] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...'' No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all'' I know this because i used to be like this. After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD. You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know. Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered. Example: ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself. KING CHECKMATE wrote: What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE. this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO.... So let me understand this; Proto is not a problem because the increase is not all that significant. But yet the balance problem is that people dont have enough SP. That doesnt really make sense. You actaully deid find the real balance problem, but like most people who use a major advtange, you just gave a quick justification along with the classic "The best way to counter it is to use it yourself". Here: KING CHECKMATE wrote: In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY. To counter team play, team play must be used. The squad system is what is destroying this game. It leads to unbalanced match making, makes the NPE worthless, forces people to spend time with people they dont want to, and overall is a major detriment to this games growth. Factional Warfare and Planetary Conquest are modes that need squads. Public Contracts does not. Having squads in Public Contracts magnifies every single problem, and hurts player retention unimaginably. But people tend to protect their crutches. So i expect those who benefit the most from squads to come out defending them. (lonely people and C grade players).
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 864	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:15:00 - [39] - Quote Short answer: yes. Protostomping corps will continue to stomp out new players from joining the game. They'll continue to break the game (PC) to "show CCP the problem." It's a bunch of horse ****. They'll continue to drive new players away from the game through pub stomping and stagnate the one truly compelling feature of Dust--Planetary Conquest--until the existing players are tired and just leave. The problem, though, is that nobody in there recognizes this, or, if they do, they don't care, which in-and-of-itself is baffling. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1495	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:03:00 - [40] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!! Never gonna happen. I haven't PRO stomped a PUB in the last 10 months. I guess I am leading the way! :D You haven't destroyed a vehicle in the last 10 months either. You haven't seen the map from the ground (Redliner) in the last 10 months either

Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 143	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:18:00 - [41] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. Lol yer i know wishfull thinking but y'know but liek i said. its all fun and games an lol'ing away but reality is if dust's playerbase doens't increase whats CCPs incentive to keep it running? You are on the best way of learning the conceptual foundations about behavioural psychology. 1.) You can not change people by calling upon their conscience. 2.) People change when their circumstances change. ergo 3.) You can change people by changing their circumstances. So in a game its relatively easy: CCP must find a way to improve the NPC (I advise PvE, but your suggestions are fine too). They want to make money after all. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 416	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:20:00 - [42] - Quote Trying to build this game for your average lone wolf 0SP militia player is shortsighted. If you stick around, the vast majority of your time will played as a high SP veteran. The NPE and low SP are minor hurdles that can be resolved in only a few months of effort. You can think of this period like an initiation, and it should take longer to reach PRO level suits and equipment. Some people liked Dark Souls because the game is hard. Dust should be hard. We wouldn't want them to stay because they thought it was going to be easy, and in the long run the community will be stronger from the initiation difficulty. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 C0VEN 206	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:45:00 - [43] - Quote You cannot reasonably expect thousands of players of differing Ages - Maturity levels - Skill Levels - Experience Levels to work together and cooperate to make the game enjoyable for everyone. It is the responsibility of the game designers/developers to control the gaming environment so that there is a niche where people of all Ages - Maturity - Skill - Experience can find a place where they can enjoy the game and progress to a higher level without being unduly harassed by players of significantly higher Age - Maturity - Skill - Experience nothing to see here ... move along
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 298	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:30:00 - [44] - Quote SHANN da MAN wrote: You cannot reasonably expect thousands of players of differing Ages - Maturity levels - Skill Levels - Experience Levels to work together and cooperate to make the game enjoyable for everyone. It is the responsibility of the game designers/developers to control the gaming environment so that there is a niche where people of all Ages - Maturity - Skill - Experience can find a place where they can enjoy the game and progress to a higher level without being unduly harassed by players of significantly higher Age - Maturity - Skill - Experience This is trueGÇªCCP has a history of being so enamored with promoting 'player freedom' that they are loathe and hesitant to do anything that might interfere with player's ability to do anything. Take the Minmatar Scout's bonuses as a prime example. The community wanted the hacking speed bonus of the MinLogi to not disappear completely, and the Knife bonus was so unique it had to stay. I won't say the Min Scout is UP because of these abilities, but in the discussion of EWAR both MinScout and AmScout are irrelevant. CCP should have an idea or flow of how each new piece of content fits in with the rest, yet sometimes it seems Dust is being designed democraticallyGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 495	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:33:00 - [45] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Trying to build this game for your average lone wolf 0SP militia player is shortsighted. If you stick around, the vast majority of your time will played as a high SP veteran. The NPE and low SP are minor hurdles that can be resolved in only a few months of effort. You can think of this period like an initiation, and it should take longer to reach PRO level suits and equipment. Some people liked Dark Souls because the game is hard. Dust should be hard. We wouldn't want them to stay because they thought it was going to be easy, and in the long run the community will be stronger from the initiation difficulty. This approach may work for those of us who stuck it out, but for every one of us that did how many did not? I have brought 7 people into the game, none stayed more than a couple of days, all of them left for pretty much the same reason, stomping. If this was the best, most compelling or only video game out there maybe this approach would work, but it isn't. I don't think appealing to the "I like getting the crap kicked out of me" niche is a recipe for success. Because, that's why.
Darrius Smithmage PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 6	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:37:00 - [46] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've read a lot of posts recently about new player experiences and a common theme is new players being thrown into the deep end wearing cement boots by the large corp/alliances QSync'ing and proto stomping which discourages new players to stay as they don't get any enjoyment out of it. What worries me is if this kinda of gameplay could end up being the ruin of DUST itself. sure its nice to stomp around showing everyone how big your wa...llet is but is it really worth being the kings of an empty game? yeah we can all chant HTFU at the noobs in MLT gear and recruit rifles but what happens when CCP have to close the servers because its too costly to run because we're not increasing the playerbase (and CCPs income from DUST) its alarming that out of the 11-12 friends i've encouraged to play the game zero are stil playing because of the way the large corps behave in pub matches. i'm all for people who feel the need to run proto to do so, hell there was a time i felt i needed to until i got better at the game and i've slowly moved myself down the scale to running STD/ADV gear now, but its very obvious that these corps really don't need to and it basically is all about measuring d**s. they're talented players who could run rings around majority of the rest of us if they wished but until CCP fix things how about those of us with some common sense take it on ourselves to 'fix' the unbalance by running in the listed game modes Pub matches - STD FW - ADV PC - Proto (as normal) or how about some kinda of 'gentlemans agreement' of leaving the oceana/asia servers as they used to be so they can be used as noob servers and we all only run STD gear? or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break. p.s the reason i posted this now is that as i've been playing tonight i've just seen the same 10 squads running all night Nice idea but I disagree with fw is adv we use proto gear in few because were to acompish something fw is not pub to other (z platoon/fleet) we take fw more seriously. To use is it PC.BTW few not for new players anyway if they get stomp it there fault. Again I do agree we need changes like std only gear pub match's. So what if I roleplay calderi soldier for life! now stfu and gun for my lav.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 495	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:38:00 - [47] - Quote I'd add that we lose players on both ends of the spectrum as well. I don't enjoy games where I regularly go 25-0. I don't do all that well but when I have a good game most of the time I feel more guilt than joy because I know it probably was the result of easy competition that never had a chance, not good game playing against a worthy foe. Because, that's why.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 202	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:51:00 - [48] - Quote This problem could be solved by adding another set of gameplay options alongside the "Ambush", "Domination", and "Skirmish" choices that are currently available. In EVE, there are most missions send you to sites where you can only fly a limited number of different types of ships. Similarly, CCP could add "Basic" (which would include Militia gear), "Advanced", and "Proto", options, such that selecting a given level would permit gear at that level and all levels below to be used in the match. However, this creates another problem. I think it would gimp whatever matchmaking sensibilities Scotty has. You'd have a lot of newer players thinking, "Cool, I'll just stick to basic battles, because that's all can fit anyway," only to start a match against a squad of vets with 20M+ SP and level 5 dropsuit core skills. So, assuming the same fit, our noob has 25% less armor, 25% less shields, 30% less PG/CPU, etc., etc., along with a lack of experience. Thus, we're not really helping the new player experience very much. The best thing to do would be to add PVE and refine matchmaking, maybe even throw in a "difficulty" or "randomness" slider. At the lowest level, Scotty would hook you up with other players that had similar levels of SP, WP, KDR, etc., and whose toons were close in age; at the other end, you'd never know what to expect--might be a grab bag or Scotty might just put you with others with similar stats, or you might just get absolutely redlined/stomped, etc. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Omega Black Zero Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:00:00 - [49] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: they're talented players who could run rings around majority of the rest of us You've obviously not fought some of the proto runners I have.
pseudosnipre 667	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:44:00 - [50] - Quote If you want communism, go play on the Asia server. Here in America, winners go home and **** the prom queen. ... or the valedictorian. Simmer down, nerds. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML

Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 213	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:48:00 - [51] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: If you want communism, go play on the Asia server. Here in America, winners go home and **** the prom queen. ... or the valedictorian. Simmer down, nerds. Ahahaha made my day. Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando / Do you even lift?
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1976	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:07:00 - [52] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: If you want communism, go play on the Asia server. Here in America, winners go home and **** the prom queen. ... or the valedictorian. Simmer down, nerds. how many of those winners tap that prom queen before she's considered 2nd prize? this game makes me sad....
Youmadbroyolo Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:18:00 - [53] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can Lets be honest even if we did not own PC, we could do it anyway because its still for the most part profitable for us. We pull enough K/D and WP per match to make it viable. ESP if we run in squads.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 665	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:35:00 - [54] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Trying to build this game for your average lone wolf 0SP militia player is shortsighted. If you stick around, the vast majority of your time will played as a high SP veteran. The NPE and low SP are minor hurdles that can be resolved in only a few months of effort. You can think of this period like an initiation, and it should take longer to reach PRO level suits and equipment. Some people liked Dark Souls because the game is hard. Dust should be hard. We wouldn't want them to stay because they thought it was going to be easy, and in the long run the community will be stronger from the initiation difficulty. Thats all well and good but only works if "enough" new players stick around to grow the player base. However, as far as I can tell player numbers have been static for a longtime.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1256	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:11:00 - [55] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've read a lot of posts recently about new player experiences and a common theme is new players being thrown into the deep end wearing cement boots by the large corp/alliances QSync'ing and proto stomping which discourages new players to stay as they don't get any enjoyment out of it. What worries me is if this kinda of gameplay could end up being the ruin of DUST itself. sure its nice to stomp around showing everyone how big your wa...llet is but is it really worth being the kings of an empty game? The bigger issue than the protostompers running around.. is the fact that CCP tacitly endorses this behaviour, by refusing to do anything about it. The obvious, and easy, solution, is to allow optional gear limited game modes. They dont. A bunch of excuses have been made about player base size, that are all BALONY. The fact is, CCP as a whole, wants this behaviour, just like they want spawn camping. Sick bastards.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2666	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:19:00 - [56] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Luk Manag wrote: Trying to build this game for your average lone wolf 0SP militia player is shortsighted. If you stick around, the vast majority of your time will played as a high SP veteran. The NPE and low SP are minor hurdles that can be resolved in only a few months of effort. You can think of this period like an initiation, and it should take longer to reach PRO level suits and equipment. Some people liked Dark Souls because the game is hard. Dust should be hard. We wouldn't want them to stay because they thought it was going to be easy, and in the long run the community will be stronger from the initiation difficulty. Thats all well and good but only works if "enough" new players stick around to grow the player base. However, as far as I can tell player numbers have been static for a longtime. Yeah, that type of argument is a fallacy. I've not played Dark Souls, but I'm guessing that there is more to it than being dumped into PvP agajnst ruthless ganker a-holes like True Adamance an hour after hitting the start button. People like games like that not because they are "hard" but because they are "a challenge." A challenge = hard work against a fairly designed but difficult set of opponents that scale with your experience. This is rewarding. People enjoy this. It draws them into the game. A challenge =/= no gameplay options outside of relentless curbstomps/baserapes at the hands of selfish tryhard a-holes with vastly superior equipment and resources. People do not enjoy this and ragequit the game in disgust. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 770	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:20:00 - [57] - Quote yes stomping is bad for the game. now if ccp could just add concord into dust so they can avenge the mlt newberries dust side. also i have never played eve....so im not sure what concord actually does. other than kill ppl who attack others unprovoked with over whelming force in high sec areas. mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere...
General John Ripper 20142	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:28:00 - [58] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Why do people even run Proto in Pubs. Why not? I mean, if you have 500 million ISK what does it even matter? 500 million... lol poor scrub. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 447	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:30:00 - [59] - Quote I used to wonder also about the proto problems in pubs. Then I finally got fully acclimated to my scout suit and started bringing down proto logis and sentinels in advanced suits only. The problem arises when over 50% of the other team is running full proto suits when absolutely no one on your side is and the majority are only in standard or militia fits. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Guiltless D667 17	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:26:00 - [60] - Quote Stomping in general will always exist, whether it's through gear or the pack mentality. If you peeled the layers off everything it all comes down to you vs. them, the individuals vs. the organized, we all seen this in other forms of multiplayer games, itGÇÖs no different in Dust, and itGÇÖs aggravated further with the tiered gear system. Sure you can group up united but that means nothing if youGÇÖre not even strong enough to defend yourself, how are you supposed to defend others? This is where gear tiers start to really matter. Is protostomping killing the game? Probably, the ones suffer from it the most are the regulars and vets themselves(YOUR COMMUNITY),new players come and go and a few stay most go and forgettable about the demo they just played but when your devoted get tired of the BS and go that hurts the most, THAT is what kills the game. I played from both sides of the fence, and for me the games where protostomping occurs are boring or frustrating, shallow experiences that is only made better with the company of other likeminded souls, a swift leave game option.Victory doesn't taste sweet here nor does the pursue for it seem worth while, when no opponent is no close to me in weakness or strength. A Strange Game.

Beeeees Militaires Sans Jeux 531	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:19:00 - [61] - Quote Protostomping IS killing the fucking game. You cant introduce absolute freedom to a broken environment. Loopholes will be exploited. Bugs will be abused. Systems will be broken. While punishing those who do anything to gain an advantage is just as much morally questionable as doing so, Loopholes can be closed. Bugs can be fixed. Systems can be reworked. Why CCP takes its time to introduce new shineys instead of fixing matchmaking and hotfixing PC not to print free money escapes my undertanding. Oh and as someone who perfectly has the capability to run full proto 3 weeks a month out of 4, Im gonna let you in on a secret: If you feel the need to use fully tanked proto fits in pubs, you are a shitter and a noskill. Thats an axiom. Its like bringing a chainsaw into the boxing ring. That implies that you absolutely need that edge to win. TOLD514
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 329	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:30:00 - [62] - Quote Actually I think CCP is very sneakily fixing the proto stomp situation right now. For matchmaking to work there needs to be decent groups of players at each level and all of these SP events are shifting things in that direction. The events we have had give out max 750k extra or in this weeks case 380k. The MCC gave out an amazing amount of SP across the board. Proto players gain little from this as when it comes to maxing a skill out all of the earned SP can go to one skill level. Mid level players either quickly become grouped in the mid / high ADV range or jump to a proto. Beginners quickly become mid level players or miss out on most of the extra and stay where they are. My point is we are quickly segregating ourselves based on how much and how long we have played leaving room for new players to more easily be placed with new players. It is quite brilliant and I hope it was planned this way because that would give me an amazing new view on management around here. The effects of what they are doing here are going to be very fun to see, in fact I may write up a long rambling thread about it soon to see who agrees.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 18	Posted - 2014.04.18 00:44:00 - [63] - Quote How about no squading in pubs. Large corps can call it a " reservation " show your worth as an individual merc. And smile when you see a corpmate on the other side of the board. Played in a corp long age... Used to have a sniper buddy that would troll me whenever we where on opposing teams, limp me but never kill me .... But he was merciless. Lonewolf till I die
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 147	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:01:00 - [64] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: If you want communism, go play on the Asia server. Here in America, winners go home and ** the prom queen. Lol, so your a winner? The chance is in the USA 99 out of 100 times youre gonna be the one ** over by your precious winners dude. So yeah, I guess youre rich and have the playmate girlfriend that adores you and so on. You live the american dream after all, man. Why the are you here playing this game? Go fly your ***** helicopter, Donald. Thats what I would do if I where rich like you Well, if the trend continues, you are on foodstamps in 3 years too, so go buy yourself a nice reserve of vaseline. Good lord I really want a helicopter now I just troll you. What I really want to say is: Dust would be more fun for everyone if more people would be playing it (like the real economy :P). EVE has 30k. We have 3. Why? It doesnt have to be like this! The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 870	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:05:00 - [65] - Quote Rule #1 in new eden: If a mechanic can be exploited it will be. If you don't like proto(squad)stompers sh-tting on the game, complain to CCP who has made that possible. (I almost always just run standard/milita gear, just ask anyone.) Fixing swarms
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 870	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:07:00 - [66] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: If you want communism, go play on the Asia server. Here in America, winners go home and **** the prom queen. ... or the valedictorian. Simmer down, nerds. Dude, leave Sir Sean Connery and The Rock out of this. That movie is way to awesome (for a popcorn flick) to be applied towards try-hards. Fixing swarms
Cinnamon267 161	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:08:00 - [67] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Pub matches - STD FW - ADV PC - Proto (as normal) That's.... a stupidly good idea, actually. I already use standard gear for mostly everything.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 19	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:13:00 - [68] - Quote Yes...corps need to start fighting again. It's like PC is ran by Don King. Lonewolf till I die
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 873	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:15:00 - [69] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Yes...corps need to start fighting again. It's like PC is ran by Don King. I think a better anaolgy would be John D. Rockefeller or maybe the East India Trading Company or even Comcast/EA. Fixing swarms
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 720	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:21:00 - [70] - Quote Proto stomping corps give you a goal to work towards. Vehicles ruin this game. How can you walk into an mmo fps and expect to not get whooped? THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY SINGLE MATCH REGARDLESS OF WHAT GAME YOU PLAY. WIMPY MFRS!!! Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.

Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.04.18 09:07:00 - [71] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...'' No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all'' I know this because i used to be like this. After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD. You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know. Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered. Example: ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself. In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY. To counter team play, team play must be used. What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE. this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO.... I'll answer this one easily with an old-school MMO reply: epic armor makes a horrible player decent and average skilled players still average. The dust reply: being crappy but with running with proto stuff means you can afford to miss shots, afford to get hit and afford to have equipment to let you last longer in the field versus someone who's just crappy overall and walking bullseye. Likewise the alternative is this game just can't figure out how to invite new players [despite the answers being laid in front of them multiple times] and keep changing the game in such dramatics turns that eventually no one save vets play and that means this becomes a sinkhole of a game that gets slated to be scrapped. While I agree skills make the player I am not naive or blind enough to also know that having access to superior weapons/armor doesn't make my job harder. Why if that one extra shot it took me to kill someone results in another player seeing my gunfight and finishing me off? I can go on "theatrical example" too ya know. I'm just being realistic though on what stuff goes down actually.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 19	Posted - 2014.04.18 09:17:00 - [72] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Proto stomping corps give you a goal to work towards. Vehicles ruin this game. How can you walk into an mmo fps and expect to not get whooped? THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY SINGLE MATCH REGARDLESS OF WHAT GAME YOU PLAY. WIMPY MFRS!!! The goal is being who every solo player hates? No thanks I'd rather squad up with newbs and be the one guy spanking proto ass. And corps are the only ones spamming ADS and good tanks. I've got no time for corps I have a job a wife and a life. Lonewolf till I die
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 457	Posted - 2014.04.18 09:48:00 - [73] - Quote add a thirst stat and the new player can carry a water jug to and from a water source to give the frontline troops a drink = NPE fixed u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189


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