or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break.

Lol

...or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break.

Why do people even run Proto in Pubs.

Why do people even run Proto in Pubs.

Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!!

I've read a lot of posts recently about new player experiences and a common theme is new players being thrown into the deep end wearing cement boots by the large corp/alliances QSync'ing and proto stomping which discourages new players to stay as they don't get any enjoyment out of it.

What worries me is if this kinda of gameplay could end up being the ruin of DUST itself. sure its nice to stomp around showing everyone how big your wa...llet is but is it really worth being the kings of an empty game?
yeah we can all chant HTFU at the noobs in MLT gear and recruit rifles but what happens when CCP have to close the servers because its too costly to run because we're not increasing the playerbase (and CCPs income from DUST)

its alarming that out of the 11-12 friends i've encouraged to play the game zero are stil playing because of the way the large corps behave in pub matches. i'm all for people who feel the need to run proto to do so, hell there was a time i felt i needed to until i got better at the game and i've slowly moved myself down the scale to running STD/ADV gear now, but its very obvious that these corps really don't need to and it basically is all about measuring d**s. they're talented players who could run rings around majority of the rest of us if they wished but until CCP fix things how about those of us with some common sense take it on ourselves to 'fix' the unbalance by running in the listed game modes

Pub matches - STD
FW - ADV
PC - Proto (as normal)

or how about some kinda of 'gentlemans agreement' of leaving the oceana/asia servers as they used to be so they can be used as noob servers and we all only run STD gear? or the large corps changing their attitude over full proto stomps in regular pub matches at least and giving the new guys a break.

p.s the reason i posted this now is that as i've been playing tonight i've just seen the same 10 squads running all night

because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can

It's not as though only PC exploiters can run proto in pubs. I do it from time to time, when my wallet builds up, when I'm drunk and want the crutch, or when there's a lot of enemy proto gear out and about. An evening of running standard gear easily pays for some matches of cruising around in the fancy stuff. What else was I going to spend the ISK on?

Huh. I think I'm noticing something. All DNS alliance players are defending why they should be able to Protostomp in pubs with their infinite ISK exploiting. Anyone else seeing a trend?

its always been this way in dust, the exploiters defend their tactics and ccp is falls for it.

but I don't blame the players I blame ccp.

ccp has the power to fix it yet remains impotent.

The problem isn't the protogear or the protostomping, its that one does not have a choice whether to play against these people or not. Its the combination of squad play and HP that leaves n00bs feeling like they got kicked in the balls.
Matchmaking cant work with so few players. Sp restrictions will be exploited
There has to be a different way to play the game than getting kicked in the teeth by invincible opposition.
Like a meta 2 match. A match that only allows up to and not including advanced tier. Let the skills do the talking.

''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...''

No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all''

I know this because i used to be like this.
After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD.
You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know.

Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered.

Example:
ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK
Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK

See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself.

In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY.
To counter team play, team play must be used.


What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE.

this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO....

''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...''

No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all''

I know this because i used to be like this.
After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD.
You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know.

Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered.

Example:
ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK
Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK

See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself.

In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY.
To counter team play, team play must be used.


What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE.

this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO....

because they make so much isk from owning everything in PC they can afford to do so. its not because they need to but because they can

''Are the proto stomping corps an enemy to the game itself...''

No. Thats an excuse people use to justify sucking or getting killed in any situation. Example;'' OMG he killed me! Oh it was a proto weapon, he had a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME, i couldnt win at all''

I know this because i used to be like this.
After using Proto Stuff MYSELF i've been coming back to playing ADV-STD.
You see, wearing proto is like a turd wearing a lot of golden rings and expensive pimp: It looks really cool (to him) But it does not mean he is Rich (Even if the idea is for people to THINK he has a lot of money).He can be living under a bridge for all you know.

Same here, one can wear proto all you want, but besides the psychological advantage, there is not a MASSIVE advantage that cannot be countered.

Example:
ADVANCED Assault Combat Rifle: 20 damage / 17.000 ISK
Proto Combat Rifle : 21 damage and like +0.4 accuracy / 77.000 ISK

See where im coming from? To think that one won because he has a mere 1 more damage is just fooling yourself.

In regards to SQUAD stomping, you cannot attempt to nerf TEAMPLAY.
To counter team play, team play must be used.


What i must agree with, and the source of the problem (AND TRUE advantage of some players) is the SP DIFFERENCE.

this is truly what matters. If you could have a Full proto Suit with proto weapon and modules and equipment, but only skilled in stuff to getting to those (minimal to achieve those proto stuff), you are going to lose nevertheless to someone with 30-40 million SP in Passive skills using a G-1 BPO....

Why do people even run Proto in Pubs.

Outstanding idea. DNS should lead the way!!

Never gonna happen.