That makes perfect sense. In a world like New Eden, nothing less should be expected.

The problem is that the game is currently in a state where one group giving 100% effort amounts to roflstomps that drive new players away and end up being bad for the game in the long run.

Ideally, you should be able to give your full effort to fight against another team who is also giving the same level of effort, where both sides have a chance at winning. That, I believe, was the idea behind PC... Two organized teams decked out in top gear going all out in a high-stakes battle. Likewise, a new player with less SP and lower tier gear should be able to have the same mindset as you, and have a shot at winning rather than getting burned out after their 100% effort results in nothing but getting steamrolled.

Basically, you're doing it right, but the game mechanics are wrong. You have the right idea, but in the current state of things, the right idea ends up being bad for the game. That mindset should be encouraged and rewarded for everyone, not just the protobears, for the sake of keeping new players in the game.

My attitude is similar, I suppose, but pointed in a different direction. I'm concerned less about my merc's wallet and KDR than about the well-being of DUST 514. My effort goes toward the betterment of the game, which includes expanding the playerbase, and that inherently means holding back in pubs to alleviate the stomp mentality in newberries (Full disclosure, I'm terrible, so I lessen the stomp just by being on the other team, holding back or not).

I guess my perspective or mentality is conflicting...

I am a firm believer that any venture, no matter how small, should receive a 100 percent effort with nothing held back.

School, work, sports, and videogames... etc

If winning is a product of giving it my all, then I apologise. However, I am not going to change.

I agree. But, its not just the protostomping. Its the whole nerf, buff, stomp combination. The pros are able to quickly adapt to the FoTM since their core is complete and they already rake in wp...while those poor suckers trying to even figure the game out are grinding to get shields/armor up enough to survive a single pro CR burst or shotgun to the foot. Then when that poor sucker gets his fit, BOOM...nerf hammer. Back to sucking hind tit.

Many other communities, and not just video game communities like to play competitively....but always fall into the trap of "bluing up" with one another......it always happens.

If AE wanted competition....why are they in the same allaince as Nyain San? Why do they align with Team Players or X, Y, Z corporations?

Why avoid fighting leveled players in a competitive mode if competition is the most important thing?.... Because it mitigates risk.

You can say "Oh we lost to X corp. GG Guys good to be the same alliance."

but you can't say

"Oh we lost to X corp whom we have been at war with for X weeks, GG"

Without losing face, ISK, and time.

Many other communities, and not just video game communities like to play competitively....but always fall into the trap of "bluing up" with one another......it always happens.

If AE wanted competition....why are they in the same allaince as Nyain San? Why do they align with Team Players or X, Y, Z corporations?

Why avoid fighting leveled players in a competitive mode if competition is the most important thing?.... Because it mitigates risk.

You can say "Oh we lost to X corp. GG Guys good to be the same alliance."

but you can't say

"Oh we lost to X corp whom we have been at war with for X weeks, GG"

Without losing face, ISK, and time.

You're right, and the same problem exists in Eve. We have two major coalitions (CFC and N3) controlling 90% of conquerable space and stamping out any small group that tries to carve out a home. Talks are happening between CCP, the CSM, and the community about how to mitigate that, but it's a very difficult thing to do because of the nature of the sandbox. People will always blue up out of common interests.

The solution, if you ask me, is to somehow make bluing up less effective relative to not bluing up. Don't ask me how to do that, because I have no idea. But one of the big things that gets talked about when reworking Eve mechanics is conflict drivers - how do we encourage people to go out and blow each other up? We need a similar system for Dust - Something to encourage groups to go against each other more often. Obviously alliances are a great thing in moderation, but when one big alliance controls almost all of Molden Heath and uses their farmed ISK to go stomp people because they have nothing better to do, something is wrong.

People always look for the path of least risk. That's natural. What we/CCP has to do is encourage people to take more risks and engage in more competitive play as opposed to stomping, in both Eve and Dust.

I was under the impression that the pair while leading controllers of most space were not fully representative of nearly so much of Null Sec sovereignty.

But my point is yet again proven...... people can talk competition all they want....... but blue up anyway.

were all the comments just whining babies idk i stopped after 5

Okay, maybe 90% was an exaggeration, but they still own most of it.

I think we agree on your point though - What I'm trying to say, basically, is that right now, as Dust is currently, bluing up, dominating, and stomping is mechanically the logical thing to do. CCP must change that.

CCP is the moral authority here. CCP has made stomping right; CCP must make stomping wrong, or at least less of the one way to "win Dust", if they are to save their game.

http://youtu.be/0_FbkCYDwW0?t=1m35s

Watch the whole vid, I don't have to say much and I agree with most of what he's said.

Double post!
That's cool ppl need to hear it

http://youtu.be/0_FbkCYDwW0?t=1m35s

Watch the whole vid, I don't have to say much and I agree with most of what he's said.

SHOULD there be tiers? Hmm... let's put a pin in that question. And do some math.

How long will you tolerate between pressing "queue" and beginning a match? 3 minutes? Ok, let's go with 3 minutes, and assume you do your **** breaks and suit buying in those three minutes.

So some matches are faster than others, but let's call it an average of 12 minutes of fighting per match (ambush is much faster, dom/skirm can take longer). After the match, you immediately queue up for another match.

Let's say, that is what everyone in the game does. 23.5hours a day, seven days a week.

You now have a vital stat: Each player will QUEUE once every 15 minutes.

A few more vital stats for ya... Ambush, Skirm, Dom, AM/MIN FW, Cal/Gal FW... that is five match types.

It takes 32 mercs to fill a match.

In order to have everything running along smoothly so that matches actually deploy evenly, that is 160 mercs, every 3 minutes.

Since mercs only queue every *15* minutes, you need 5x 'batches' of mercs so that I can queue successfully at any time.

So that is a requirement of 800 mercs. Online, active, not AFK, dropping every 15 minutes.

800 mercs online, concurrently... to fill the current queues.

Every additional queue you add (separating ambush into two tiers adds one queue, and so on) requires an ADDITIONAL 160 mercs, online, at all times, to support the new system. Or else people are going to be waiting in queue for more than 3 minutes.

Math.

There's a reason they removed OMS long ago... The bad part is... I'm pretty sure I've had to explain this before lol.

"SHOULD" they add tiers is irrelevant. Given current player counts... CAN they?

[Edit: And the 800 doesnt even include people sitting online bullshitting in their quarters or people waiting for and playing in PC. The only viable solution would be draconian, but potentially the only way forward: Dismissing the 'tier' concept and straight up capping the 3 pub match types to advanced suits and below.]

finished the video.
He has a point.
But i dont feel i actually fit in his description.

Many other communities, and not just video game communities like to play competitively....but always fall into the trap of "bluing up" with one another......it always happens.

If AE wanted competition....why are they in the same allaince as Nyain San? Why do they align with Team Players or X, Y, Z corporations?

Why avoid fighting leveled players in a competitive mode if competition is the most important thing?.... Because it mitigates risk.

You can say "Oh we lost to X corp. GG Guys good to be the same alliance."

but you can't say

"Oh we lost to X corp whom we have been at war with for X weeks, GG"

Without losing face, ISK, and time.

Dont blame the players, blame the game (devs).

I guess my perspective or mentality is conflicting...

I am a firm believer that any venture, no matter how small, should receive a 100 percent effort with nothing held back.

School, work, sports, and videogames... etc

If winning is a product of giving it my all, then I apologise. However, I am not going to change.

This pops up every one and a while. It's a typical defence for those seeking to avoid responsibility for their actions. It is also demonstrably false. I do not use exploits, yet I see others use them. I know they exist but consider it unfair to use them. If it was the games fault I would be using it. I, a player decided not to exploit, the other player decided to exploit. We both know how but only one of us does. This is clearly the player taking an action. This means its the player not the game.

Of course, there is always a choice.

But PC is for example a huge clusterfuck buffet of bad choices being served to district locking tryhards. Of course people will exploit broken mechanics when CCP show they:
1. Wont ban exploiters.
2. Do not fix the exploits.

CCP is a bad game dev company and should feel bad.