CCP you guys respond way to late to clear gamebreaking problems pro-stopers should just have there own mode like a teir system.

1 basic
2 advance
3 proto

ya I don't know why he wasn't aiming at all, but he doesn't use the AR/PR much. He mainly uses shotguns, side arms and the laser rifle so obviously he kinda sucks with the AR/PR.

He hasnt mentioned the fact that those proto stompers actually are part of the ecconomic from dust. Sure they dont buy AUR but they stomp the opposition which means the guys who had a really bad day might spend some money to get proto suits at lvl3 to keep up with those guys.

Agree with his premise.
Solutions are on spot:
a gear restricted match mode would allow all the get good types to compare phallic dimension on a level playing field.
The do not fight option would allow a protest of the sort that doesnt chase away every new player
The all-proto all-the-time has screwed the player base and needs to be addressed without punishing those players

I guess my perspective or mentality is conflicting...

I am a firm believer that any venture, no matter how small, should receive a 100 percent effort with nothing held back.

School, work, sports, and videogames... etc

If winning is a product of giving it my all, then I apologise. However, I am not going to change.

CCP you guys respond way to late to clear gamebreaking problems pro-stopers should just have there own mode like a teir system.

1 basic
2 advance
3 proto

http://youtu.be/0_FbkCYDwW0?t=1m35s

Watch the whole vid, I don't have to say much and I agree with most of what he's said.

...Why are there still tanks/ADS in Ambush? WTF CCP, reducing them to 2!!? just crazy-should have removed them completely!

Something needs to change CCP.

There is some truth to the majority of the things he says.
However I believe, always have, always will, that a tiered matchmaking system (based on your fits meta level) or restricted matches like mlt only or no vehicles is too crude to really work.

1) It fragments the player base too much
If you've got 10% of the playerbase in no vehicle matches, 10% in no Proto Matches, 10% in FW, 10% in PC that's 40% of the playerbase you aren't matchmaking.
Suddenly no-one can find a match without waiting for 5 years.

2) It doesn't stop the Stomping
Saying to ProtoStomping Corp "Your not allowed to fight mlt noobs anymore" won't stop them stomping, its just the people they stomp will be in advanced gear as opposed to STD/Mlt.

3) You get fragmented stomping.
It will infact make stomping worse . You will get stompers in all tiers of matches thereby increasing your chancd of finding a stomp.


When it comes to Stomps people forget where the ProtoStomp orginated from, the PubStomp. The act of Protostomping is to commit a pubstomp whilst using Prototype gear. The problem is PUBstomp not the PROTOstomp. As pyrex hinted in his video and many people here besides, Prototype gear in Pubs feels taboo.

This should not be the case, just because someone is in Protogear does not mean they will win, even if no-one else uses proto gear on the other side. Its the squads, wolfpacks and spammers that are the problem. Like the people spamming uplinks on the mushroom, or the Top Corps spamming FOTMs in groups of 6 or above. The packs of tanks that stick closer together than sardines in a tin. This behaviour isn't from the new players or even the lone wolf vets. Its from the wolfpackers.

The system needs to plave wolfpack against wolfpack.

1) Create a hidden metric (for the remainder of this post I shall refer to this metric as 'infamy'), this infamy is calculated from a formula of key vital statistics.
These statistics include KDR, WPDR (WP/Death Ratio), ATTD(Average time to death), PPM (Profit per Match) and WLR (Win/Loss Ratio)

2) When matchmaking begins the AI looks for the match with the closest possible infamy levels to the player, in the event of a tie, the AI will favour the lower values (giving the player a 'good' match), while the player base is small there is no cap on differnce of infamy, only that it will favour closer levels first.

3) Squads are given average infamy levels and balanced upon this, the AI will exclude 'outliers' that have infamy levels below a certain level from the calculation, it will not exclude positive (larger infamy outliers), the AI will always favour placing a squad against a squad where possible.

You now have a fast matchmaking system that will give more balanced matches the majority of the time, the playerbase is now no longer fragmented (at all until CCP decide to place an infamy difference cap), that everyone but the stompers can enjoy.

Its very funny how some people are saying dont blame the developers.
- Any great sandbox needs proper mechanisms for them to succeed and hopefully produce results you want to see.

Many instances of game mechanics that are just not properly implemented to stop certain exploitation is baffling

Every roof should be able to be reached (either internally or externally) by infantry in case that team doesnt have air support or have equipment (jet pack or grappling hook) to allow traversal or mortar like weaponry

Turret installations should be formidable, not fodder

Equipment and or grenades to jam scanning should be available

Its also quite funny that mechanisms that would give the "little guy" a fighting chance were shifted the other way to protect the already powerful:

Grenade reduction

Detonating RE during bleedout

TTK shift on rifles and Damage mod reductions

On the subject of Alliances and PC funding the proto stomp and what could be done. I dont play PC so I have to ask, is there any maintenance or upkeep costs associated with holding these said districts or is it once you have it, it generates some set amount of ISK?

What I could see is that the bigger an alliance or corp is the less ISK there is to go around so it isnt sustainable. So smaller corps or alliances holding a set number of districts could be more profitable and that could force internal power struggles.
There could also be new "undiscovered" districts that could be content delivered into the universe so that smaller corps who could explore and find them could secretly start amassing wealth until they are found out .
There also needs to be the ability to strike at key districts and if they are successfully taken that can have a destabilizing effect which could cause other enemy corps to start attacking and causing the big ones to war on many fronts and then probably have to cede some land.
- Obviously this secondary part is for the future.

In the present I would have Ambush infantry only, only have one separation by meta or SP for Ambush and Skirmish and then implement content and change mechanisms to sort out the easy exploits

Now you see one of the CPS memebers (EvE CPM) the chairman I believe, is quoted as saying something like, any in-game combat mechanic that benifits noobs should benifit the vets 10 fold, or something to that effect, which with respect will always be true.

However matchmaking is not a combat mechanic and therefore should be changed to benifit the noobs the most. This includeds

1) MUCH longer academy
2) Tutorial/Story Driven 1P Campaign
3) Matchmaking system that tees of equally matched opponents against each other.

He hasnt mentioned the fact that those proto stompers actually are part of the ecconomic from dust. Sure they dont buy AUR but they stomp the opposition which means the guys who had a really bad day might spend some money to get proto suits at lvl3 to keep up with those guys.

finished the video.
He has a point.
But i dont feel i actually fit in his description.

Been saying what Pyrex said from the beginning! Wheres the Meta Level matches? If your suit has a total meta level of x then its red for that particular game. Yes, this is problematic for say a Logi but im sure someone in shanghai will be able to code for this..only take the meta level of 1 equip slot-I dont know.

I created a new character using one of my main slots because it was dormant to see what the new player experiance was like all the way to 100,000 war points, which gives you just over 1m SP and boy that was a struggle. Of course I went Repair tool lvl 5 and slapped it onto a gal militia suit, then went into uplinks lvl 3, then tried for my min logi, but how is a new player going to know that!?

...Why are there still tanks/ADS in Ambush? WTF CCP, reducing them to 2!!? just crazy-should have removed them completely!

Something needs to change CCP.

He hasnt mentioned the fact that those proto stompers actually are part of the ecconomic from dust. Sure they dont buy AUR but they stomp the opposition which means the guys who had a really bad day might spend some money to get proto suits at lvl3 to keep up with those guys.

http://youtu.be/0_FbkCYDwW0?t=1m35s

Watch the whole vid, I don't have to say much and I agree with most of what he's said.

i think it was a little too late for pyrex to jump on the "your killing this game" bandwagon... seeing as he has always been one of those full proto flavour of the month types

Yeah his point is lessened somewhat when he gives it from a missile tank wedged somewhere it's not ment to be wedged.
And pubstomps a dom match.

"Stompers are killing this game" I will show you a pubstomp I prepared earlier for a background.

Who is that guy in the comment section talking about CCP killing the game?! Psh... I swear that isn't me.

*Begins to run and yells*

"Just Because he has my first two initials, doesn't mean it's me!"