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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:11:00 -
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http://youtu.be/0_FbkCYDwW0?t=1m35s
Watch the whole vid, I don't have to say much and I agree with most of what he's said.
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5106
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:20:00 -
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Pyrex should learn how to aim and spray and pray less....
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:23:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Pyrex should learn how to aim and spray and pray less....
ya I don't know why he wasn't aiming at all, but he doesn't use the AR/PR much. He mainly uses shotguns, side arms and the laser rifle so obviously he kinda sucks with the AR/PR.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2315
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:24:00 -
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Yeah, same here. |
KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5106
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:25:00 -
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da GAND wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Pyrex should learn how to aim and spray and pray less.... ya I don't know why he wasn't aiming at all, but he doesn't use the AR/PR much. He mainly uses shotguns, side arms and the laser rifle so obviously he kinda sucks with the AR/PR.
finished the video. He has a point. But i dont feel i actually fit in his description.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
513
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:27:00 -
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Agree with his premise. Solutions are on spot: a gear restricted match mode would allow all the get good types to compare phallic dimension on a level playing field. The do not fight option would allow a protest of the sort that doesnt chase away every new player The all-proto all-the-time has screwed the player base and needs to be addressed without punishing those players
CCP Logibro is awesome.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2807
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:30:00 -
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He hasnt mentioned the fact that those proto stompers actually are part of the ecconomic from dust. Sure they dont buy AUR but they stomp the opposition which means the guys who had a really bad day might spend some money to get proto suits at lvl3 to keep up with those guys.
Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
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Forever ETC
703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
317
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:34:00 -
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Who is that guy talking about CCP killing the game?! Psh... I swear that isn't me.
*Begins to run and yells*
"Just Because he has my first two initials, doesn't mean it's me!"
Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd.
Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
THIS IS AMARR!!!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9525
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:39:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:He hasnt mentioned the fact that those proto stompers actually are part of the ecconomic from dust. Sure they dont buy AUR but they stomp the opposition which means the guys who had a really bad day might spend some money to get proto suits at lvl3 to keep up with those guys.
So you believe you are doing people a service by destroying Aurum gear with ISK you locked down districts to get, and stomping public matches against vastly less orgainised and skilled opponents.....buffing your already pretty admirable, admittedly, stats?
Then using those stats as a basis in grounding to assert your thoughts and opinions as superior to the general populous......
((While this is a very generalistic synopsis..... in some cases its apt..... people actually do this.))
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Cinnamon267
145
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:09:00 -
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He's spot on with, almost, everything.
There are issues with the game that have existed since 1.0. AFK farming being one of them. Have fun playing in Oceania. Because you'll be playing against 3 other people whilst the rest of the team AFK farms.
Chances are also high those 3 people are decked out in proto gear. Or, the new FoTM, brick tank scouting with a cloak and assault combat rifle. All proto too. Have fun not doing anything against that player.
Guess what? You can't avoid that. I remember when the open beta come out and any person who had played before would routinely dominate. I would constantly go 43-3. Destroy everything. Then, I got a message from someone who said "stop playing against us new people and play against people are your skill level."
Well, I couldn't do that. Sure it was the open beta and several days prior they wiped everything as they moved the servers. But, the point still stands and it is still an issue with the game today.
There are matches where I recognise specific players and I think to myself "for **** sake. I don't want to go against that irritation proto stomping wanker and be dominated". ... then I just turn the system off. I don't want to do FW due to the face team killers are still present and premades with an obsession with dominating and winning are everywhere.
I sound conspiracy theorist here but it does make me believe there is some form of Goonswarm stuff going on. A group of people just trying to destroy things for their own amusement. I understand what in a MP game people will exploit systems, but it;'s just so crazy here. |
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion League of Infamy
178
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:35:00 -
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What CCP needs to get there fast is contracts for PVE so new people can work on building isk/SP from the mission out there and to avoid the pub stomping. This also gives bored veterans something else to do besides the same old stuff over and over again.
The least they can do is open player market within dust so mercenaries can trade to each other. (note not an open market with eve yet)
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
766
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:58:00 -
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Cinnamon267 wrote:
I sound conspiracy theorist here but it does make me believe there is some form of Goonswarm stuff going on. A group of people just trying to destroy things for their own amusement. I understand what in a MP game people will exploit systems, but it;'s just so crazy here.
True after every new patch there are new things to exploit, people go proto right after the new suits are deployed. OP weapons or OP vehicles are spammed, usually lasts about a week or two. But it still makes enjoying the new patches and the game itself harder than it already is with still nothing new to do. I'm not saying scouts or heavies are OP right now though, it's just the spamming of all the new things. And it's not completely their fault though, cuz there is nothing else to do but try out the new gear in amb,skirmish and domination over and over and over again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3430
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:00:00 -
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Cinnamon267 wrote:He's spot on with, almost, everything.
There are issues with the game that have existed since 1.0. AFK farming being one of them. Have fun playing in Oceania. Because you'll be playing against 3 other people whilst the rest of the team AFK farms.
Chances are also high those 3 people are decked out in proto gear. Or, the new FoTM, brick tank scouting with a cloak and assault combat rifle. All proto too. Have fun not doing anything against that player.
Guess what? You can't avoid that. I remember when the open beta come out and any person who had played before would routinely dominate. I would constantly go 43-3. Destroy everything. Then, I got a message from someone who said "stop playing against us new people and play against people are your skill level."
Well, I couldn't do that. Sure it was the open beta and several days prior they wiped everything as they moved the servers. But, the point still stands and it is still an issue with the game today.
There are matches where I recognise specific players and I think to myself "for **** sake. I don't want to go against that irritation proto stomping wanker and be dominated". ... then I just turn the system off. I don't want to do FW due to the face team killers are still present and premades with an obsession with dominating and winning are everywhere.
I sound conspiracy theorist here but it does make me believe there is some form of Goonswarm stuff going on. A group of people just trying to destroy things for their own amusement. I understand what in a MP game people will exploit systems, but it;'s just so crazy here.
I think for some weird reason there is an urge to kill people in games like first person shooters. I'm curious what sort of happenings you expected in Dust?
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1957
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:01:00 -
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I agree with the sentiment... however, I think he places far to much blame on the player for the state dust is in.
ultimately it falls on the shoulders of the ccp dust team to make a game where this either cant happen, or is discouraged through lack of profitability. right now, for instance a district makes money for doing nothing (I call being perma locked nothing) and then can spend that money in pubs stomping and potentially just make more isk. furthermore those types of players have all appropriate skills for their roles maxed, and they can be put up against people fresh out of the academy...but I cant blame the people who do this.
they are simply playing the game ccp has built, and however distasteful, cheap, cowardly, or whatever brand you put on certain player actions and practices, ccp made it possible for them to do it, either purposely, or ignorantly.
pyrex does admit ccp needs to do something because certain players are exploiting dust mechanics, but it has been this way since FOREVER! lol....
ccp's track record has been to drag their heals on almost everything that needs fixing while adding elements that were never discussed nor a concern of the community and breaking dust gameplay even more.....
this game makes me sad....
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
513
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:11:00 -
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I would blame CCP if they were the ones who organized PC battles to be a joke and lock out the whole game. I could blame CCP if they were the ones proto stomping in every match all the time I should blame CCP for making a game that is utterly addicting and letting asshats dominate it.
CCP Logibro is awesome.
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
267
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:18:00 -
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CCP you guys respond way to late to clear gamebreaking problems pro-stopers should just have there own mode like a teir system.
1 basic 2 advance 3 proto
Caldari Loyalist
I speak for the rabbits
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Cinnamon267
147
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:19:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cinnamon267 wrote:He's spot on with, almost, everything.
There are issues with the game that have existed since 1.0. AFK farming being one of them. Have fun playing in Oceania. Because you'll be playing against 3 other people whilst the rest of the team AFK farms.
Chances are also high those 3 people are decked out in proto gear. Or, the new FoTM, brick tank scouting with a cloak and assault combat rifle. All proto too. Have fun not doing anything against that player.
Guess what? You can't avoid that. I remember when the open beta come out and any person who had played before would routinely dominate. I would constantly go 43-3. Destroy everything. Then, I got a message from someone who said "stop playing against us new people and play against people are your skill level."
Well, I couldn't do that. Sure it was the open beta and several days prior they wiped everything as they moved the servers. But, the point still stands and it is still an issue with the game today.
There are matches where I recognise specific players and I think to myself "for **** sake. I don't want to go against that irritation proto stomping wanker and be dominated". ... then I just turn the system off. I don't want to do FW due to the face team killers are still present and premades with an obsession with dominating and winning are everywhere.
I sound conspiracy theorist here but it does make me believe there is some form of Goonswarm stuff going on. A group of people just trying to destroy things for their own amusement. I understand what in a MP game people will exploit systems, but it;'s just so crazy here. I think for some weird reason there is an urge to kill people in games like first person shooters. I'm curious what sort of happenings you expected in Dust?
I expected something that was balanced and fair for players? Especially new players. It's designed AGAINST the people who haven't been playing for a long time. Something that isn't a complete slog most of the time. It's filled with people exploiting it for the sake of doing it. I know people are going to do this in a MP game, but other MP games have WAY MORE PLAYERS so you don't see it often.
Not the case here. You see it everywhere. It's stuffed for the sake of being that way. And a bunch of players are happy to keep it that way. Good job making sure the game goes nowhere even faster than something with no legs on a bike with square weheels. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME
1270
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:25:00 -
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I'd get more isk if i'm against protos.
Assassination is my thing.
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Magnus Amadeuss
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
867
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:33:00 -
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Release a PVE mode, a no-squad mode, and a no vehicle mode and you would be surprised at how fast this game would grow.
Fixing swarms
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9536
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:34:00 -
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Cinnamon267 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cinnamon267 wrote:He's spot on with, almost, everything.
There are issues with the game that have existed since 1.0. AFK farming being one of them. Have fun playing in Oceania. Because you'll be playing against 3 other people whilst the rest of the team AFK farms.
Chances are also high those 3 people are decked out in proto gear. Or, the new FoTM, brick tank scouting with a cloak and assault combat rifle. All proto too. Have fun not doing anything against that player.
Guess what? You can't avoid that. I remember when the open beta come out and any person who had played before would routinely dominate. I would constantly go 43-3. Destroy everything. Then, I got a message from someone who said "stop playing against us new people and play against people are your skill level."
Well, I couldn't do that. Sure it was the open beta and several days prior they wiped everything as they moved the servers. But, the point still stands and it is still an issue with the game today.
There are matches where I recognise specific players and I think to myself "for **** sake. I don't want to go against that irritation proto stomping wanker and be dominated". ... then I just turn the system off. I don't want to do FW due to the face team killers are still present and premades with an obsession with dominating and winning are everywhere.
I sound conspiracy theorist here but it does make me believe there is some form of Goonswarm stuff going on. A group of people just trying to destroy things for their own amusement. I understand what in a MP game people will exploit systems, but it;'s just so crazy here. I think for some weird reason there is an urge to kill people in games like first person shooters. I'm curious what sort of happenings you expected in Dust? I expected something that was balanced and fair for players? Especially new players. It's designed AGAINST the people who haven't been playing for a long time. Something that isn't a complete slog most of the time. It's filled with people exploiting it for the sake of doing it. I know people are going to do this in a MP game, but other MP games have WAY MORE PLAYERS so you don't see it often. Not the case here. You see it everywhere. It's stuffed for the sake of being that way. And a bunch of players are happy to keep it that way. Good job making sure the game goes nowhere even faster than something with no legs on a bike with square weheels.
Balanced and fair is subjective.... and while desirable in some circumstances.....not always desirable.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
766
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:37:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:I agree with the sentiment... however, I think he places far to much blame on the player for the state dust is in.
ultimately it falls on the shoulders of the ccp dust team to make a game where this either cant happen, or is discouraged through lack of profitability. right now, for instance a district makes money for doing nothing (I call being perma locked nothing) and then can spend that money in pubs stomping and potentially just make more isk. furthermore those types of players have all appropriate skills for their roles maxed, and they can be put up against people fresh out of the academy...but I cant blame the people who do this.
they are simply playing the game ccp has built, and however distasteful, cheap, cowardly, or whatever brand you put on certain player actions and practices, ccp made it possible for them to do it, either purposely, or ignorantly.
pyrex does admit ccp needs to do something because certain players are exploiting dust mechanics, but it has been this way since FOREVER! lol....
ccp's track record has been to drag their heals on almost everything that needs fixing while adding elements that were never discussed nor a concern of the community and breaking dust gameplay even more.....
True, after sorting out the issues in the game and causes you find that the players can only do so much. Fixing issues and exploits is really in CCPs hands, and they just move too damn slow man!!!
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
2756
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:45:00 -
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I guess my perspective or mentality is conflicting...
I am a firm believer that any venture, no matter how small, should receive a 100 percent effort with nothing held back.
School, work, sports, and videogames... etc
If winning is a product of giving it my all, then I apologise. However, I am not going to change.
The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions
Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
80
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:47:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Pyrex should learn how to aim and spray and pray less....
Who the fucks cares. Its a video game not something competitive.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
766
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:52:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Pyrex should learn how to aim and spray and pray less.... Who the fucks cares. Its a video game not something competitive.
I don't much like those that are like "quit sprayin and prayin you suck" , basically these all day FPS guys that like to talk **** to each other. Very loud, and like Pyrex said in the vid those type of people don't care about the game, they just care about being the toughest mofo around. While it's kind of cool to have people with that spirit in the game, it's not helping it either.
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Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
657
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:56:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:CCP you guys respond way to late to clear gamebreaking problems pro-stopers should just have there own mode like a teir system.
1 basic 2 advance 3 proto
I always felt that a better solution is to tier matches by meta level instead of the flat basic/advanced/proto groupings.
Basically there would be three tiers for the total meta level of every item on your dropsuit,so theoretically,you could run proto gear,but only on one item because you would more than likely go over the meta level cap for the match.
So just to throw some numbers out there,the low tier matches would cap at a total meta level of 8.Mid tier matches would then start at level 9 through 18.Finally,proto tiered matches would be 19 and up.
Gran Turismo 5 had a system like this in place with a point system for your cars that were allowed into certain races.This is definitely something that Dust should adopt. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9538
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:58:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:CCP you guys respond way to late to clear gamebreaking problems pro-stopers should just have there own mode like a teir system.
1 basic 2 advance 3 proto I always felt that a better solution is to tier matches by meta level instead of the flat basic/advanced/proto groupings. Basically there would be three tiers for the total meta level of every item on your dropsuit,so theoretically,you could run proto gear,but only on one item because you would more than likely go over the meta level cap for the match. So just to throw some numbers out there,the low tier matches would cap at a total meta level of 8.Mid tier matches would then start at level 9 through 18.Finally,proto tiered matches would be 19 and up. Gran Turismo 5 had a system like this in place with a point system for your cars that were allowed into certain races.This is definitely something that Dust should adopt. Only in Pubs..... FW and PC should have no gear limits.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
80
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:59:00 -
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I've seen some Elite players from the Good corps who send me hatemail for going negative in WP to KD and ****.
My final response to those players is, Why join a corp if your gonna proto stomp the new players. Those type of corps only want your ISK and dont care about you because the corp is farmng ISK from every player in the corp.
I've seen alot of proto players who I go against and what they do is run back for cover and I ask myself, If you are so good at the game, why leave ? You think your pathetic proto suit will save you ? NO.
I want to face agressive proto players, not the kd/wp/ go to cover just to suck D%@K.
Here is a question to proto players. When you deploy to battle what is more important, saving your garbage dropsuit or helping your team ? If you answer both = Bull excuse.
Im not calling any names and I agree with Prex. If you just play to win, why play the game and join a corp ?
This is all I have to say. Be agressive new players, Dont let these protos take the advantage of you.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
657
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:CCP you guys respond way to late to clear gamebreaking problems pro-stopers should just have there own mode like a teir system.
1 basic 2 advance 3 proto I always felt that a better solution is to tier matches by meta level instead of the flat basic/advanced/proto groupings. Basically there would be three tiers for the total meta level of every item on your dropsuit,so theoretically,you could run proto gear,but only on one item because you would more than likely go over the meta level cap for the match. So just to throw some numbers out there,the low tier matches would cap at a total meta level of 8.Mid tier matches would then start at level 9 through 18.Finally,proto tiered matches would be 19 and up. Gran Turismo 5 had a system like this in place with a point system for your cars that were allowed into certain races.This is definitely something that Dust should adopt. Only in Pubs..... FW and PC should have no gear limits.
Yeah,sorry,I was referring only to pub matches.
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Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
75
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:04:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:I guess my perspective or mentality is conflicting...
I am a firm believer that any venture, no matter how small, should receive a 100 percent effort with nothing held back.
School, work, sports, and videogames... etc
If winning is a product of giving it my all, then I apologise. However, I am not going to change.
That makes perfect sense. In a world like New Eden, nothing less should be expected.
The problem is that the game is currently in a state where one group giving 100% effort amounts to roflstomps that drive new players away and end up being bad for the game in the long run.
Ideally, you should be able to give your full effort to fight against another team who is also giving the same level of effort, where both sides have a chance at winning. That, I believe, was the idea behind PC... Two organized teams decked out in top gear going all out in a high-stakes battle. Likewise, a new player with less SP and lower tier gear should be able to have the same mindset as you, and have a shot at winning rather than getting burned out after their 100% effort results in nothing but getting steamrolled.
Basically, you're doing it right, but the game mechanics are wrong. You have the right idea, but in the current state of things, the right idea ends up being bad for the game. That mindset should be encouraged and rewarded for everyone, not just the protobears, for the sake of keeping new players in the game.
My attitude is similar, I suppose, but pointed in a different direction. I'm concerned less about my merc's wallet and KDR than about the well-being of DUST 514. My effort goes toward the betterment of the game, which includes expanding the playerbase, and that inherently means holding back in pubs to alleviate the stomp mentality in newberries (Full disclosure, I'm terrible, so I lessen the stomp just by being on the other team, holding back or not).
Anti-Respec | Anti-Protostomp | Anti-"Slayer Logi" | Pro-Tiericide | Pro-EVE/Dust Link | Pro-CCP
Fun > Winning > KDR
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PAXTON HAILFIRE
CORPORACION CRISTIAN MURATI 84
46
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:04:00 -
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I agree. But, its not just the protostomping. Its the whole nerf, buff, stomp combination. The pros are able to quickly adapt to the FoTM since their core is complete and they already rake in wp...while those poor suckers trying to even figure the game out are grinding to get shields/armor up enough to survive a single pro CR burst or shotgun to the foot. Then when that poor sucker gets his fit, BOOM...nerf hammer. Back to sucking hind tit.
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