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King Amaterasu Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 0	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:20:00 - [1] - Quote Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 838	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:23:00 - [2] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. NVM... This Sh*T happens in PC. I AGREE! REMOVE DIS SHIZZ.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1703	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:25:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. no scout in their right mind uses 2-4 precision scans.. Also, 90% of gallante scouts run less than 2 dampners. laughs all the way to the barbershop "guys, get a load of this **** I just heard!" Double posting like a Kaiser.
Rusty Shallows 1527	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:27:00 - [4] - Quote Putting a positive spin on that I would say at least it isn't a call for a Scout Nerf. More teamwork and comms use. The Nerfing attitude by CCP has left me feeling worn. sigh Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 839	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:29:00 - [5] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. no scout in their right mind uses 2-4 precision scans.. Also, 90% of gallante scouts run less than 2 dampners. laughs all the way to the barbershop "guys, get a load of this **** I just heard!" Excuse chuuu... Not trin do be smurt asz butz chu readd theis niqqa, chu ain't herd it from nunnin. Unless chu haz uh crazy dawg in cho heead.
LT Shanx OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 80	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:29:00 - [6] - Quote I prefer a Gal Scout with 2 complex precision enhancers and 4 complex range amplifiers. 100m+ Scans all day errday.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN 902	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:33:00 - [7] - Quote Sure, as long as gunfire reveals your position to anyone within 100 meters (we do have sonar after all.) Support Orbital Spawns
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3052	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:34:00 - [8] - Quote Yuuuuup. It's the new scanner, except it works non-stop. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3942	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. And all you need is a logi and the heavies never run out of health or ammo!!! OP OP OP No.
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 330	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:38:00 - [10] - Quote I see u Hit me with your nerf bat.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9521	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:39:00 - [11] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. But why wouldn't I link my visual and scan data to my allies? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1703	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:41:00 - [12] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Matticus Monk wrote: [ laughs all the way to the barbershop "guys, get a load of this **** I just heard!" Excuse chuuu... Not trin do be smurt asz butz chu readd theis niqqa, chu ain't herd it from nunnin. Unless chu haz uh crazy dawg in cho heead. Mad crazy dogz in da headz. o7 Double posting like a Kaiser.
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5100	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:42:00 - [13] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. no scout in their right mind uses 2-4 precision scans.. Also, 90% of gallante scouts run less than 2 dampners. No scout in their right mind? I run 2 Cx precision enhancers 2Cx Profile dampeners and 1 Cx range amplifier. on my Gk.0 -.- I must really, REALLY suck then.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2315	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:42:00 - [14] - Quote I don't personally have a problem with it. Also, you need 2 CPX Damps on a proto Gallente Scout to dodge everything, last time over heard.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 770	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:58:00 - [15] - Quote Wow, you scouts got entitled quick. There is still fresh dirt on the active scanners grave and already people are crying about passives? How about scouts can never be scanned by anything, but they also cannot scan anything. Then all the 1.8 scouts can go jerk each other off behind a box in the redline so we can get some tactics back in the game, not this PeekabooScout514 bullsh*t. I really hope all the pre 1.8 scouts are happy. Nobody fcks monkeys and people you idiot.You either fck monkeys, or you fck people.Theres no in between. Dave Chappelle
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 311	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:59:00 - [16] - Quote :: Enters :: :: Chuckles :: :: Exits :: Bang?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1112	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:01:00 - [17] - Quote FYI, this was around in 1.7 too. You just didn't notice that because scouts weren't as common. Looking for the scout hangout?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2544	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:08:00 - [18] - Quote Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 342	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:08:00 - [19] - Quote There was a time that TACNET data was shared across the team, calm down people.
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5103	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:10:00 - [20] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Look im an E-War scout and i Agree with my Fellow king here. (not with the QQ part thou) Thing is , i AM the one scanning EVERYTHINg around me, from 54 to 75mts away (depending on the suit im using).But since im waiting to get good positioning or more info on the enemy i loose a lot of kills due med frames and heavies using MY passive scan to detect threats and take them out.(consider my Precision is strong enough to detect the more common un-dampened + tanked shotgun scouts...) So i dont even get the pleasure of feeling useful by TELLING them :'' we have 2 reds coming from the south door, probably heavies due to their slow movement...''OR WHATEVER XD A.Scanners should be less powerful than Passive scanning but have the advatange of being shared and give WP. Passive scanning for scouts can be VERY powerful, but its not shared. Want to passive scan? get your own precision enhancers and range amplifiers... ..I.. ( - . - ) Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread

medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 602	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:14:00 - [21] - Quote And its finally happened. Someone wants to nerf the only "scout" suit that fills the role of an actual scout... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn you community. Damn you. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1938	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:15:00 - [22] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. Passive suit scans are shared, line-of-sight scans are not. Big difference, though they're both technically "passive". Nerdier than thou
Toby Flenderson research lab 509	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:15:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. no scout in their right mind uses 2-4 precision scans.. Also, 90% of gallante scouts run less than 2 dampners. No scout in their right mind? I run 2 Cx precision enhancers 2Cx Profile dampeners and 1 Cx range amplifier. on my Gk.0 -.- I must really, REALLY suck then.... Same. My suits all have about 300 hp but can see just about anything. Worth it.
King Amaterasu Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 0	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:15:00 - [24] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Putting a positive spin on that I would say at least it isn't a call for a Scout Nerf. More teamwork and comms use. The Nerfing attitude by CCP has left me feeling worn. sigh Exactly
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5103	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:16:00 - [25] - Quote medomai grey wrote: And its finally happened. Someone wants to nerf the only "scout" suit that fills the role of an actual scout... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn you community. Damn you. NONONO, its not a NERF to the Cal scout. But considering the CAL SCOUT can scan other scouts rather easily (AND everything else) it should be a private passive scan,not team scan.It becomes too OP for 4 heavies and a logi to just be near a Cal scout and scan EVERYTHING. (which has happened to me XD) see? The Cal scout rocks and it shoudlnt be nerfed, but this is a mechanic issue ,not a dropsuit specific one. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
King Amaterasu Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 0	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:20:00 - [26] - Quote medomai grey wrote: And its finally happened. Someone wants to nerf the only "scout" suit that fills the role of an actual scout... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn you community. Damn you. Its nice to see you don't understand this post. It is the shared vision. Please learn how to read.
King Amaterasu Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 0	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:26:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. Yes they are. people in 1.7 didn't use precision enhancers because they had scanners light them up for you.
Toby Flenderson research lab 509	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:34:00 - [28] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: medomai grey wrote: And its finally happened. Someone wants to nerf the only "scout" suit that fills the role of an actual scout... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn you community. Damn you. NONONO, its not a NERF to the Cal scout. But considering the CAL SCOUT can scan other scouts rather easily (AND everything else) it should be a private passive scan,not team scan.It becomes too OP for 4 heavies and a logi to just be near a Cal scout and scan EVERYTHING. (which has happened to me XD) see? The Cal scout rocks and it shoudlnt be nerfed, but this is a mechanic issue ,not a dropsuit specific one. I think it makes the scout suit useful to the squad like a logi or heavy or tanker. It's finally got a really nice specific role for the better of the squad. Any ideas of something in between what we have now and dropping the squad sharing completely?
King Amaterasu Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 0	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:41:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Look im an E-War scout and i Agree with my Fellow king here. (not with the QQ part thou) Thing is , i AM the one scanning EVERYTHINg around me, from 54 to 75mts away (depending on the suit im using).But since im waiting to get good positioning or more info on the enemy i loose a lot of kills due med frames and heavies using MY passive scan to detect threats and take them out.(consider my Precision is strong enough to detect the more common un-dampened + tanked shotgun scouts...) So i dont even get the pleasure of feeling useful by TELLING them :'' we have 2 reds coming from the south door, probably heavies due to their slow movement...''OR WHATEVER XD A.Scanners should be less powerful than Passive scanning but have the advatange of being shared and give WP. Passive scanning for scouts can be VERY powerful, but its not shared. Want to passive scan? get your own precision enhancers and range amplifiers... ..I.. ( - . - ) LOL QQing thank you for trying to man up this post. Not being sarcastic at all
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 312	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:42:00 - [30] - Quote Right or wrong, Amarr-headed or not. No merc deserves 0 Likes. Everyone give this man a Like. (OP: Please say something intelligent, so we'll know which Post to Like) Bang?

KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5108	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:42:00 - [31] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: medomai grey wrote: And its finally happened. Someone wants to nerf the only "scout" suit that fills the role of an actual scout... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn you community. Damn you. NONONO, its not a NERF to the Cal scout. But considering the CAL SCOUT can scan other scouts rather easily (AND everything else) it should be a private passive scan,not team scan.It becomes too OP for 4 heavies and a logi to just be near a Cal scout and scan EVERYTHING. (which has happened to me XD) see? The Cal scout rocks and it shoudlnt be nerfed, but this is a mechanic issue ,not a dropsuit specific one. I think it makes the scout suit useful to the squad like a logi or heavy or tanker. It's finally got a really nice specific role for the better of the squad. Any ideas of something in between what we have now and dropping the squad sharing completely? Considering the POWERFUL precision of the Cal scouts radar, the fact its constant and can have a LOT of range, makes it OP for a heavy for example to be seeing Cloaked scouts. Now: The Cal scout CAN tell the heavy thre is a scout in ''x'' area, but thats a different story. You see ( and i have been in this situation) If a Cal scout with 3+ cx Precision enhancers Running in a squad of heavies is virtually invincible. WHAT STOPS heavies from owning this game are Scouts. a Heavy has the AV power, has the A-Infantry power,they have speed on LAV's, they have the EHP......Their only weakness is that they are Radar blind,And the Caldari scout can nullify this with no effort, and no counter (because in order to damp a scout to those levels, it will be left almost unable to defend himself due to the need to use 2-3 cx Profile dampeners) AGAIN ,im not agains the CAL scout doing this. Its his right. Its the SP spent and the Money on the line.But its a SCOUT advantage. And it should remain like one.If a Caldari scout detects my double profile dampened a on my Gal Scout, its HIM who deserves to kill me, not every heavy and me frame out there....not to mention vehicles.... So the shared scan should be removed.Its not like us scouts are earning ANYTHING for our passive scans anyways....** Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
medomai grey warravens League of Infamy 602	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:44:00 - [32] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: medomai grey wrote: And its finally happened. Someone wants to nerf the only "scout" suit that fills the role of an actual scout... BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Damn you community. Damn you. Its nice to see you don't understand this post. It is the shared vision. Please learn how to read. I understood it perfectly. Do you understand the role of an actual scout? It's to relay enemy positions to your team. And the Caldari scout does what with its passive scans? It shares enemy positions picked up by passive scans with squad members through shared vision. Making it the only real scout suit in dust. And you want to destroy that by taking away shared vision. LOL! I feel like being a stupid ass, so I'm going to give you advice that probably does jack **** for you but is just to poetic not to say. Stop brick tanking your "scout" and fit dampeners... Oh god, now my mouth taste like vomit! Medium frame EHP is not medium
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12821	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:49:00 - [33] - Quote True Adamance wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. But why wouldn't I link my visual and scan data to my allies? Because it's a game, and balance should be a thing. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
King Amaterasu Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 0	Posted - 2014.04.17 00:51:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. But why wouldn't I link my visual and scan data to my allies? Visuals is fine, but scan data is like having active scanner always on. They changed out the 360 scanning for this reason.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 438	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:00:00 - [35] - Quote The 360 scanners were still more powerful because so many players put them on assaults and slayer logis. While a cal scout can scan most other suits it still does not have tripple damage mods and 1,000 ehp like the scanning logi slayers of before. In fact to maximize a cal scouts scanning ability you must use up all the high and low slots, reducing the cal scout to the ehp of a piece of glass any other scout can kill in a heart beat. If you can't figure that out than you just suck. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 847	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:03:00 - [36] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. This is true. It was removed. I remember it well. But are scouts now sharing passive scans? Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 896	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:07:00 - [37] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Where do you get this stuff? Precision Enhancers have stacking penalties, regardless if it says in game or not. Gal Scout escapes with 2 damps or 1 damp and a cloak. All other scouts have to 2 damps and a cloak. That's a Cal Scout with 3 enhancers (4 is a huge waste.) Should results get sent to squad? I never thought they should always wanted the Cal Scout to communicate with the logi with the active scanner. But the passive scanner gives up a lot to do that.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 46	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:12:00 - [38] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. First, I don't trust a thing you say (assumption is you are probably a troll) since you are a part of the "elitist" group known as DNS. 2nd: Every scout can see every non-scout since every scout's precision STARTS at 40 and with level 5 precision skills it brings it down to 35. Outside of a scout, no one without 2 profile dampeners or more can avoid them. 3rd: Gal Scouts are invisible to everything and everyone with 2 profile dampeners or 1 profile dampener and 1 cloak. 4th: Precision enhancers have stacking penalties and if anyone thinks that you can go negative scan precision then you need to go back to basic math in 3rd grade. One guy said a cal scout can get -5.6 db with 4 precision enhancers and proto suit skill... 5th: Other scouts have no chance to escape? You only need 3 profile dampeners to avoid 4 precision enhancers. 6th: Generally these scouts are weak and easy to kill because they've sacrificed there slots for these precision and range amplifiers. So **** off. 7th: If a Cal Scout has to put so many precision mods on to see another scout then other scouts need to sacrifice their slots to avoid being seen. Sorry for other suits, but your lack of being able to hide is more than made up for by the LARGER amount of shields and armor over the scouts. 8th: If you remove the shared scans from squad members then what is the point of a squad or of a scout. The Scout would then lose it's title to "Runner" or "Rusher" or "Blitzer" or "Minute Men" since they would have a life expectancy of a minute or less. We need more, not less bonuses to be shared across the squad to encourage more than just a group of players with a bunch of weapons and HP mods across the board. LAST: Thanks to complaints such as this CCP nerfed Active Scanners hard. Essentially if it's not on a vehicle you will never see an active scanner. Now you complain about passive scanners and if that gets removed you'll then turn your attention to vehicle scanners. Players like you probably won't be happy until they can run unseen, unopposed, and untouched as you troll others into quitting the game forever. It's a nice mechanic of the game and while I think it needs some adjusting I do not want it to ever be pulled. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 46	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:15:00 - [39] - Quote Please view Topic "Cal vs gal scout" as that topic is entirely related to this one. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155757 Page 6 has stats for scouts... Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Yeeeuuuupppp The Lionheart Coalition 245	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:18:00 - [40] - Quote I thought it was a bug... atleast, that's what I read from Saberwing CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll

Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 271	Posted - 2014.04.17 01:53:00 - [41] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. This is what makes the scout a required role in a squad... How is that OP?
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 47	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:51:00 - [42] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. Yes they are. people in 1.7 didn't use precision enhancers because they had scanners light them up for you. Actually, outside of 1 equipment versus 3-5 mods the main reason that I never used passive was because of how many slots it took for little return. With proto level range amps I could get something like 25 meter range. Even if I used precision enhancers I wouldn't have had a decent range to make it worth it. The actives had good scan and 100 meter range base. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 286	Posted - 2014.04.17 02:57:00 - [43] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. This is what makes the scout a required role in a squad... How is that OP? Agree, although the balance between scouts need work, shared passives is one of the few aspects currently available to help and reward squads sticking together. Teamwork is a good goal, and judging by the classes and specializations of different suits is the intent CCP had for Dust: Lone wolves die alone, build a community of allies and you can thrive. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 5890	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:04:00 - [44] - Quote People are grabbing straws now it seems..... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 47	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:05:00 - [45] - Quote I don't agree with the idea of removing squad sharing of passive scans, however I do believe that it is currently too powerful at the current moment. Is it OP against heavies and mediums? Probably, but then again the heavies can pretty much kill the scouts. Someone provided the example of a group of heavies being led by a scout and to that I have to say, "This is good Squad Tactics." You have one guy (a leader) who sees the enemy or relay's orders/commands to the rest of the squad. The squad moves into position and does what it needs to to remove the threat with hopefully zero casualties. Scouts now have a place INSIDE the squad and not just as a sniper from the red-line, or as an uplink runner, or as an assassin or remote explosives expert. If the scout is a threat (much like the logi backing heavies) then you know what you have to do? Kill the scout! Sometimes CCP gives you weapons or tools to kill the guy BEHIND the group of heavies. Off the top of my head I can think of Mass drivers, Forge guns, Flaylock Pistols, Grenades, remote explosives, and sniper rifles. The above being said, I do feel that there is an imbalance that passive scans provide. They are too powerful. Honestly I would feel better about passive scans being more equal (especially with the nerfs to active scanners) if they had some sort of falloff. Meaning that as their signal (the passive scan) moved THROUGH something, it would actually lower the range of the passive scans. Pass through a box 2 meters thick, take off 5-10 meters range. Pass through a parked truck or tank? Take off 25-40 meters. Through a mountain? Take off nearly all of it. Of course, it could also be a percentage reduction. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 47	Posted - 2014.04.17 03:07:00 - [46] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: People are grabbing straws now it seems..... I got a box of them. You want one? Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 297	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:19:00 - [47] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. I definitely agree King, and it's about time you got on the forums lol... "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 446	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:25:00 - [48] - Quote wow really? it's NOTHING like 1.7 scanners 1.7 scanners reached 100+ meters and came from ehp stacked suits 1.8 passive scans are shorter in distance AND require the user to give up most if not all bonus ehp also stacking all those precision mods cost MORE isk then active scanners do Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1027	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:26:00 - [49] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. You should be able to see only what - only Cal- scout sees ONLY if your OWN precision is sufficient to pick up a sig. So you take advantage of scout's range but not precision. Wanna see things on passive - use precision enhancers. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1027	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:29:00 - [50] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. Yes they are. people in 1.7 didn't use precision enhancers because they had scanners light them up for you. Actually, outside of 1 equipment versus 3-5 mods the main reason that I never used passive was because of how many slots it took for little return. With proto level range amps I could get something like 25 meter range. Even if I used precision enhancers I wouldn't have had a decent range to make it worth it. The actives had good scan and 100 meter range base. Dunno man, passive has been godly for quite a while. I can't imaging sacrificing low slots for dumb eHP before or after 1.8 PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 141	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:34:00 - [51] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. boo f*cking hoo. All you have to do is find the scanner and you will be costing them 100K about I Start To Wonder If I Am Masochistic After Playing This Game...........
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1373	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:43:00 - [52] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Look im an E-War scout and i Agree with my Fellow king here. (not with the QQ part thou) Thing is , i AM the one scanning EVERYTHINg around me, from 54 to 75mts away (depending on the suit im using).But since im waiting to get good positioning or more info on the enemy i loose a lot of kills due med frames and heavies using MY passive scan to detect threats and take them out.(consider my Precision is strong enough to detect the more common un-dampened + tanked shotgun scouts...) So i dont even get the pleasure of feeling useful by TELLING them :'' we have 2 reds coming from the south door, probably heavies due to their slow movement...''OR WHATEVER XD A.Scanners should be less powerful than Passive scanning but have the advatange of being shared and give WP. Passive scanning for scouts can be VERY powerful, but its not shared. Want to passive scan? get your own precision enhancers and range amplifiers... ..I.. ( - . - ) I was all for shared squad passive scan, but you make a valid argument and I can agree but scannners need some improvement too. I swear I'm not getting my 60 degrees and the cooldown is a bit much considering how when I run scout I can manage to be cloaked damn near all the time if I'm smart about it. Not saying we need the old constant scans of before but better than what it is. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2001	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:46:00 - [53] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. So you want something nerfed because you're not so hidden now? Get off your Perpetual Nerf Train and go to Call of Duty. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:21:00 - [54] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: BrotherofHavok wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. Yes they are. people in 1.7 didn't use precision enhancers because they had scanners light them up for you. Actually, outside of 1 equipment versus 3-5 mods the main reason that I never used passive was because of how many slots it took for little return. With proto level range amps I could get something like 25 meter range. Even if I used precision enhancers I wouldn't have had a decent range to make it worth it. The actives had good scan and 100 meter range base. Dunno man, passive has been godly for quite a while. I can't imaging sacrificing low slots for dumb eHP before or after 1.8 It was useful, is the best I can say before 1.8. I ran a minmatar logi with 10 meter scan range. Bonus on top pushed that to 15 meters. Next mod pushed that to 22.5 next pushed that to 32.4... you have to sacrifice a lot of potential to get that and most of the time it wasn't worth it to me since my job was keeping people alive and ammo stocked. I would have had to give up my profile dampeners, or my kin cats, or regulators or the 1 basic armor plate that I had to get some decent benefits. Unless I could guarantee that I'd be fighting on opposite sides of a wall it wouldn't have been as useful as it is now. Also, that's kind of the point on the thread "Cal vs gal scout" that I personally was making. Everyone was complaining about how OP the Cal scouts are but some basic math showed that the only reason other suits could be seen was because they must have been stacking HP mods. For literally most Cal Scouts they can be avoided with 2 or 3 profiled dampeners depending on the suit. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Toby Flenderson research lab 510	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:23:00 - [55] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. This is true. It was removed. I remember it well. But are scouts now sharing passive scans? Munch They have been for a long time. I don't know when it started/ended but I started using them shortly after 1.4 and once I got the range amplifiers up my squadmates started claiming they could see it and so I just ran that from then until now.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 398	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:24:00 - [56] - Quote This should be an advantage of being in a squad. Cry babies GTFO
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:27:00 - [57] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Look im an E-War scout and i Agree with my Fellow king here. (not with the QQ part thou) Thing is , i AM the one scanning EVERYTHINg around me, from 54 to 75mts away (depending on the suit im using).But since im waiting to get good positioning or more info on the enemy i loose a lot of kills due med frames and heavies using MY passive scan to detect threats and take them out.(consider my Precision is strong enough to detect the more common un-dampened + tanked shotgun scouts...) So i dont even get the pleasure of feeling useful by TELLING them :'' we have 2 reds coming from the south door, probably heavies due to their slow movement...''OR WHATEVER XD A.Scanners should be less powerful than Passive scanning but have the advatange of being shared and give WP. Passive scanning for scouts can be VERY powerful, but its not shared. Want to passive scan? get your own precision enhancers and range amplifiers... ..I.. ( - . - ) I was all for shared squad passive scan, but you make a valid argument and I can agree but scannners need some improvement too. I swear I'm not getting my 60 degrees and the cooldown is a bit much considering how when I run scout I can manage to be cloaked damn near all the time if I'm smart about it. Not saying we need the old constant scans of before but better than what it is. In some cases the cool down is god damn ridiculous and I have a slight suspicion about the active scanners. I have level 4 on active scanners and I swear that I've scanned people that COULDN'T have avoided my scans but they don't pop up. So I began to think about it and I remembered that before 1.8 the scans would sometimes pick players up only towards the end of the scan (the scanner went out then back in) kind of like a sonar only picking something up when the signal got to it. Or in this case the signal was focused on that area. So what if, because of the "snapshot" of the active scanners now, that concept or programming hasn't been removed and it's actually unable to scan some people because it actually takes longer on the scan or needs that more focused window to actually pick them up? If this is the case then the active scanners may be more nerfed than most players know. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:29:00 - [58] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Passive scans aren't shared, it has been this way since about 1.4/1.5 which is why you had so much scanner spam. This is true. It was removed. I remember it well. But are scouts now sharing passive scans? Munch They have been for a long time. I don't know when it started/ended but I started using them shortly after 1.4 and once I got the range amplifiers up my squadmates started claiming they could see it and so I just ran that from then until now. I believe you are right and it's been that way since 1.4 when CCP stated that they didn't like team sharing info and only allowed active scanners to be shared and passive scans to be shared amongst squads. They were trying to promote squad work and use of the active scanner since no one wanted the tool that couldn't get them any warpoints or little in the future. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5147	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:30:00 - [59] - Quote Just to clarify, in 1.4 they removed "all" passive scan sharing. What this SHOULD have meant is that they ACTUALLY removed all sharing of passive scans, but what it ACTUALLY meant was that players would be intermittently sharing their scan data with squadmates, but it didn't work reliably, and because of how limited everyone's scan area was, it wasn't that obvious. Prior to 1.4, passive scan data was shared with the entire team. After, what data was being shared only reached squadmates. Now, more often than not, Scouts seem to be sharing scan data with their squad, and nobody notices with other suits because their terrible scan radius means you can't tell either way. No idea if this was intended, but I'm strongly in favour of Scouts sharing their scan data. Also, at present, it's actually TOO EASY for a dampened Scout to hide from even the Caldari Scout suit. And I'm pretty sure people who have done the math confirmed that Precision Enhancers DO get stacking penalties. Even if they don't, they have less effect per module AND a higher starting point than scan profile anyway.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2293	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:32:00 - [60] - Quote And the r3tards continue the nerf scout brigade... HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.

Sana Rayya Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1327	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:43:00 - [61] - Quote Please show me a video where a non-scout with no passive scan abilities shows the same constant-on passive scan data as an E-WAR scout in squad. From my tests, the way it works is any enemy that enters the E-WAR scout's scan range is illuminated for 2-3 seconds on a fellow squadmate's Tac-Net, then disappears. If the enemy re-enters the radius, it may be highlighted again. Of course the scout naturally can track the enemy for the whole time it is within the radius. Squadmates do not seem to get the same constant-on scan data as the E-WAR scout has. It's only a flash that disappears if the squadmate does not have line of sight on that specific enemy.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:46:00 - [62] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Just to clarify, in 1.4 they removed "all" passive scan sharing. What this SHOULD have meant is that they ACTUALLY removed all sharing of passive scans, but what it ACTUALLY meant was that players would be intermittently sharing their scan data with squadmates, but it didn't work reliably, and because of how limited everyone's scan area was, it wasn't that obvious. Actually this was another CCP word choice error. They did say that "all" passive scan sharing was to be removed but what they were actually talking about/meaning was the "all" as in "team." Garrett Blacknova wrote: Also, at present, it's actually TOO EASY for a dampened Scout to hide from even the Caldari Scout suit. And I'm pretty sure people who have done the math confirmed that Precision Enhancers DO get stacking penalties. Even if they don't, they have less effect per module AND a higher starting point than scan profile anyway. People just keep ignoring the "Cal vs gal scout" topic and I keep bringing it up. I did the math and not just for cal and gal scouts. Even amarr and minmatar can be almost as annoying as the cal scout if the try to put the right mods on. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 381	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:50:00 - [63] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. LOL NOT, I use a gal scout periodically, and I have dampening level 5 and I only use 1 basic dampener now. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 540	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:54:00 - [64] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. So a cal scout needs to use nearly all of his slots to passive scan galscouts. Wouldn't it only make sense that a galscout would need to use nearly all of his slots to get under the scan? Sounds like some serious QQ here. Finally a game mechanic working as intended. Pushing players to use modules other than tank and damage. But of course there's always that one guy who QQs about it. Let there be diversity in the game ffs.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5148	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:57:00 - [65] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Just to clarify, in 1.4 they removed "all" passive scan sharing. What this SHOULD have meant is that they ACTUALLY removed all sharing of passive scans, but what it ACTUALLY meant was that players would be intermittently sharing their scan data with squadmates, but it didn't work reliably, and because of how limited everyone's scan area was, it wasn't that obvious. Actually this was another CCP word choice error. They did say that "all" passive scan sharing was to be removed but what they were actually talking about/meaning was the "all" as in "team." Got a source for that? As in a CCP dev quote where they directly stated as much? Because the patch notes don't say what you're saying was meant to happen, and NEITHER possibility was happening consistently. SOMETIMES, your scans would be shared with squadmates and other times they wouldn't. Quote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Also, at present, it's actually TOO EASY for a dampened Scout to hide from even the Caldari Scout suit. And I'm pretty sure people who have done the math confirmed that Precision Enhancers DO get stacking penalties. Even if they don't, they have less effect per module AND a higher starting point than scan profile anyway. People just keep ignoring the "Cal vs gal scout" topic and I keep bringing it up. I did the math and not just for cal and gal scouts. Even amarr and minmatar can be almost as annoying as the cal scout if the try to put the right mods on. ANY Scout with minimal fitting investment can become COMPLETELY invisible to ALL scans no matter how much a Cal Scout stacks precision amps. Gal Scouts can use a couple of slots for armour tanking and still hide. Adding a cloak makes it even easier. The balance should be in favour of profile dampening over precision, but not by this large a margin. Also, you say you've done your math. Want to show your working? And if you're sure about the claim of no stacking penalties on precision enhancers, provide proof of that too, since most evidence I've seen claims otherwise.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 50	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:07:00 - [66] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: BrotherofHavok wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Just to clarify, in 1.4 they removed "all" passive scan sharing. What this SHOULD have meant is that they ACTUALLY removed all sharing of passive scans, but what it ACTUALLY meant was that players would be intermittently sharing their scan data with squadmates, but it didn't work reliably, and because of how limited everyone's scan area was, it wasn't that obvious. Actually this was another CCP word choice error. They did say that "all" passive scan sharing was to be removed but what they were actually talking about/meaning was the "all" as in "team." Got a source for that? As in a CCP dev quote where they directly stated as much? Because the patch notes don't say what you're saying was meant to happen, and NEITHER possibility was happening consistently. SOMETIMES, your scans would be shared with squadmates and other times they wouldn't. Quote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Also, at present, it's actually TOO EASY for a dampened Scout to hide from even the Caldari Scout suit. And I'm pretty sure people who have done the math confirmed that Precision Enhancers DO get stacking penalties. Even if they don't, they have less effect per module AND a higher starting point than scan profile anyway. People just keep ignoring the "Cal vs gal scout" topic and I keep bringing it up. I did the math and not just for cal and gal scouts. Even amarr and minmatar can be almost as annoying as the cal scout if the try to put the right mods on. ANY Scout with minimal fitting investment can become COMPLETELY invisible to ALL scans no matter how much a Cal Scout stacks precision amps. Gal Scouts can use a couple of slots for armour tanking and still hide. Adding a cloak makes it even easier. The balance should be in favour of profile dampening over precision, but not by this large a margin. Also, you say you've done your math. Want to show your working? And if you're sure about the claim of no stacking penalties on precision enhancers, provide proof of that too, since most evidence I've seen claims otherwise. First, trying to find the forum topic where a Dev actually stated about passives to squad. I hope its still alive... 2nd: I agree with your 2nd to last statement about the margin between profile dampeners and scan precision mods. 3rd: If you're too lazy to find the topic that I stated then here... (Directly copy and paste from the topic "Cal vs gal scout" page 6) Some REALLY HARD Facts for you all: Gallente Scout - Cloak & Bonus 35 Base scan profile 10% Dampener bonus itself = 35 * 90% = 31.5 25% Scout Bonus (Gallente) = 31.5 * 75% = 23.625 25% cloak dampener effect = 23.625 * 75% = 17.71875 1st dampener = 17.71875 * 75% = 13.2890625 2nd dampener = 13.2890625 * 78% = 10.36546875 3rd dampener = 10.36546875 * 86% = 8.914303125 4th dampener = 8.914303125 * 93% = 8.29030190625 Gallente Scout - No Cloak 35 Base scan profile 10% Dampener bonus itself = 35 * 90% = 31.5 25% Scout Bonus (Gallente) = 31.5 * 75% = 23.625 1st dampener = 23.625 * 75% = 17.71875 2nd dampener = 17.71875 * 78% = 13.820625 3rd dampener = 13.820625 * 86% = 11.8857375 4th dampener = 11.8857375 * 93% = 11.053735875 Gallente Scout - No bonus (What I would like) 10% Dampener bonus itself = 35 * 90% = 31.5 25% Cloak Bonus = 31.5 * 75% = 23.625 1st dampener = 23.625 * 75% = 17.71875 2nd dampener = 17.71875 * 78% = 13.820625 3rd dampener = 13.820625 * 86% = 11.8857375 4th dampener = 11.8857375 * 93% = 11.053735875 Caldari Scout 40 Base Scan Precision 10% Precision Bonus = 40 * 90% = 36 Scout Bonus (Caldari) = 36 * 75% = 27 1st Precision Enhancer = 27 * 80% = 21.6 2nd Precision Enhancer = 21.6 * 83% = 17.928 3rd Precision Enhancer = 17.928 * 89% = 15.95592 4th Precision Enhancer = 15.95592 * 94% = 14.9985648 Minmatar/Amarr Scout 40 Base Scan Precision 10% Precision Bonus = 40 * 90% = 36 1st Precision Enhancer = 36 * 80% = 28.8 2nd Precision Enhancer = 28.8 * 83% = 23.904 3rd Precision Enhancer = 23.904 * 89% = 21.27456 4th Precision Enhancer = 21.27456 * 94% = 19.9980864 EDIT: Minmatar/Amarr Scout 35 Base Scan Profile 10% Dampener bonus itself = 35 * 90% = 31.5 25% Cloak Bonus = 31.5 * 75% = 23.625 1st dampener = 23.625 * 75% = 17.71875 2nd dampener = 17.71875 * 78% = 13.820625 3rd dampener = 13.820625 * 86% = 11.8857375 4th dampener = 11.8857375 * 93% = 11.053735875 Minmatar/Amarr Scout - No Cloak 35 Base Scan Profile 10% Dampener bonus itself = 35 * 90% = 31.5 1st dampener = 31.5 * 75% = 23.625 2nd dampener = 23.625 * 78% = 18.4275 3rd dampener = 18.4275 * 86% = 15.84765 4th dampener = 15.84765 * 93% = 14.7383145 (Amarr Only) Gallente Logi (proto) Precision mods do not affect the active scanner!!!!! Proto Active Scanner = 15db Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 652	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:08:00 - [67] - Quote King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Wtf are you talking about, the cal needs a buff in comparison to the gal, that is completely invisible to EVERYTHING IN GAME, with one complex damp an a active cloak, or a complex and enh damp with no cloak. My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:43:00 - [68] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. no scout in their right mind uses 2-4 precision scans.. Also, 90% of gallante scouts run less than 2 dampners. No scout in their right mind? I run 2 Cx precision enhancers 2Cx Profile dampeners and 1 Cx range amplifier. on my Gk.0 -.- I must really, REALLY suck then.... I run 3-4 Comp PE 1-2 Comp RA I must suck even more...
Lucifalic Nos Nothi 412	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:48:00 - [69] - Quote Most real scouts argued against passive sharing. I still do. Med frames who jumped suits want to keep it now. And nian San. 1 cal scout. 4 heavies. 1 logi. Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 52	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:25:00 - [70] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: King Amaterasu wrote: Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad. Wtf are you talking about, the cal needs a buff in comparison to the gal, that is completely invisible to EVERYTHING IN GAME, with one complex damp an a active cloak, or a complex and enh damp with no cloak. The Cal does not need a buff. If you look at the stats I posted, what would really benefit/promote fairness is if the Gallente Bonus to Profile Dampening were gone. That or equal base profile and scan precision for the scout suits themselves. I don't have numbers for the later but if you look for the first idea you can see that gallente scouts can still remain invisible, they would just need at least 1 more profile dampener (2 in total) and a cloak. Or 3 profile dampeners without the cloak. If you buff the Cal scout then all you get is a more OP suit against non-scouts. We don't need that, what we need is to make it harder for the Gallente to remain invisible. If we buff the Cal, then all we get is mediums that cannot go invisible to Cals. Should the heavies be able to go invisible? Sure, if they put a bunch of profile dampeners on and the cal is lazy. Let's face it, if you're complaining that your heavy is being seen then you shouldn't be playing as a heavy. You give up mobility and sneakiness for the high damage weapons and the large amount of HP. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User

GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 47	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:34:00 - [71] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Wow, you scouts got entitled quick. There is still fresh dirt on the active scanners grave and already people are crying about passives? How about scouts can never be scanned by anything, but they also cannot scan anything. Then all the 1.8 scouts can go jerk each other off behind a box in the redline so we can get some tactics back in the game, not this PeekabooScout514 bullsh*t. I really hope all the pre 1.8 scouts are happy. Outstanding! Charlie Foxtrot 514
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 47	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:39:00 - [72] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: There was a time that TACNET data was shared across the team, calm down people. team vision got nerfed and MD514 stopped, that was a greatday!
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 536	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:46:00 - [73] - Quote How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right? YouTube
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 53	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:02:00 - [74] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right? are you serious? It's been nerfed to the point that if you don't use at least 2 on a suit you're wasting your time. Decreased visibility time and dramatic increase in cooldown speeds mean that unless you're avoiding CQC or you're protected by a squad or two you might only get one or two chances to actually use the scanner per life. The only time I'll run active scanners is with a proto gal logi with 4 active scanners. I also have the suspicion that it still doesn't pick some people up (not do to profile dampening) due to the "snapshot" effect that it now has. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 295	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:08:00 - [75] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right? A tempting and reasonable alternativeGÇªexcept that no scanner on the market can beat a scout's Profile Dampening. With the cool down being so long it is next to useless on a non Gal Logi for the purpose of protecting squad mates from a zerg rush. Scanners were nerfed above and beyond what was needed, IMHO. I would prefer it if they kept shared passives but tuned back the range bonus a bit. Or handed out more sensor buffs to the MinSco and AmSco. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 538	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:17:00 - [76] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right? A tempting and reasonable alternativeGÇªexcept that no scanner on the market can beat a scout's Profile Dampening. With the cool down being so long it is next to useless on a non Gal Logi for the purpose of protecting squad mates from a zerg rush. Scanners were nerfed above and beyond what was needed, IMHO. I would prefer it if they kept shared passives but tuned back the range bonus a bit. Or handed out more sensor buffs to the MinSco and AmSco. Right so as the scanning scout, your job would be to light up for your team what you can scan, then you hunt down yourself the scouts only you can see. YouTube
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 538	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:18:00 - [77] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right? are you serious? It's been nerfed to the point that if you don't use at least 2 on a suit you're wasting your time. Decreased visibility time and dramatic increase in cooldown speeds mean that unless you're avoiding CQC or you're protected by a squad or two you might only get one or two chances to actually use the scanner per life. The only time I'll run active scanners is with a proto gal logi with 4 active scanners. I also have the suspicion that it still doesn't pick some people up (not do to profile dampening) due to the "snapshot" effect that it now has. As a scout, you should already see what you need to light up, snapshots should work great for you, no guess work as to if you are pointing it in the right direction. YouTube
Valentine Crendre Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:45:00 - [78] - Quote Buff active scans (maybe conal distance and duration) so they're used again and offer more info than passive. And, they should work in tandem with passive. For example, A logi active scans a group of reds. All members of the sqd should be able to see the reds AND their frames red silhouettes through cover from the active scan. Even stats and health like on a normal aim down. Once the active scan duration is over, like in 1.7, you no longer see the enemies until there is a new scan. However, before the active scan duration ends, if any sqd member scout that moves into range and picks up said scanned reds with his passive... he will continue to let sqd mates see those reds and their frame silhouettes through cover, even after active scan duration is over. And that would be the only way for scouts to share their passive scans. Through a "shared active-passive" scan sweep with a logistic troop, creating a scan to share on the sqd TACNET After all, team work is OP. Isn't that what this game is about?


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