Just to clarify, in 1.4 they removed "all" passive scan sharing. What this SHOULD have meant is that they ACTUALLY removed all sharing of passive scans, but what it ACTUALLY meant was that players would be intermittently sharing their scan data with squadmates, but it didn't work reliably, and because of how limited everyone's scan area was, it wasn't that obvious.

Also, at present, it's actually TOO EASY for a dampened Scout to hide from even the Caldari Scout suit. And I'm pretty sure people who have done the math confirmed that Precision Enhancers DO get stacking penalties. Even if they don't, they have less effect per module AND a higher starting point than scan profile anyway.

Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad.

Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad.

Actually this was another CCP word choice error. They did say that "all" passive scan sharing was to be removed but what they were actually talking about/meaning was the "all" as in "team."

People just keep ignoring the "Cal vs gal scout" topic and I keep bringing it up. I did the math and not just for cal and gal scouts. Even amarr and minmatar can be almost as annoying as the cal scout if the try to put the right mods on.

Got a source for that? As in a CCP dev quote where they directly stated as much?

Because the patch notes don't say what you're saying was meant to happen, and NEITHER possibility was happening consistently. SOMETIMES, your scans would be shared with squadmates and other times they wouldn't.


ANY Scout with minimal fitting investment can become COMPLETELY invisible to ALL scans no matter how much a Cal Scout stacks precision amps. Gal Scouts can use a couple of slots for armour tanking and still hide. Adding a cloak makes it even easier.

The balance should be in favour of profile dampening over precision, but not by this large a margin.

Also, you say you've done your math. Want to show your working? And if you're sure about the claim of no stacking penalties on precision enhancers, provide proof of that too, since most evidence I've seen claims otherwise.

Its worse than being scanned in 1.7 because now they don't have to scan. All you need is one cal scout with 2-4 precision enhancers and they can see almost everyone. you need a gal scout with 2-3 damps to escape being scanned since no stacking penalty with precision enhancers. Other scouts have no chance to escape the scan.(ammarcan scout can if uses all his low slots) Why should a bonus apply to all members of the squad.

No scout in their right mind?
I run 2 Cx precision enhancers
2Cx Profile dampeners and 1 Cx range amplifier.
on my Gk.0

-.-

I must really, REALLY suck then....

Wtf are you talking about, the cal needs a buff in comparison to the gal, that is completely invisible to EVERYTHING IN GAME, with one complex damp an a active cloak, or a complex and enh damp with no cloak.

Wow, you scouts got entitled quick. There is still fresh dirt on the active scanners grave and already people are crying about passives?

How about scouts can never be scanned by anything, but they also cannot scan anything. Then all the 1.8 scouts can go jerk each other off behind a box in the redline so we can get some tactics back in the game, not this PeekabooScout514 bullsh*t. I really hope all the pre 1.8 scouts are happy.

There was a time that TACNET data was shared across the team, calm down people.

How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right?

How about this for the ones stating that this gives the scout a purpose in a squad, why don't you use that neat little scouting tool called an active scanner to light up what your personal passives are picking up? You have an extra equipment slot now right?

A tempting and reasonable alternativeGǪexcept that no scanner on the market can beat a scout's Profile Dampening. With the cool down being so long it is next to useless on a non Gal Logi for the purpose of protecting squad mates from a zerg rush.

Scanners were nerfed above and beyond what was needed, IMHO. I would prefer it if they kept shared passives but tuned back the range bonus a bit. Or handed out more sensor buffs to the MinSco and AmSco.

are you serious? It's been nerfed to the point that if you don't use at least 2 on a suit you're wasting your time. Decreased visibility time and dramatic increase in cooldown speeds mean that unless you're avoiding CQC or you're protected by a squad or two you might only get one or two chances to actually use the scanner per life. The only time I'll run active scanners is with a proto gal logi with 4 active scanners. I also have the suspicion that it still doesn't pick some people up (not do to profile dampening) due to the "snapshot" effect that it now has.