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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1956	Posted - 2014.04.16 07:40:00 - [1] - Quote Everyone interested in DNSBlack's perspective on 100% MH should have a listen. There's some particularly fantastic gems in there for you. I dropped into the podcast channel, and heard a few things I just had to contest. So I crashed the party. http://s8.multiplexgaming.com/downloads/PodsideEp196.mp3 I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2246	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:02:00 - [2] - Quote It-¦s kind of funny to try to make a gaming league in this sh*t game though. This is not Counter Strike or Quake Live. 5 vs 5 in Skirmish? Not a good idea. It doesnt sound like he thought this through really. Also, why should the players run these kind of things? CCP should be pushing for it.
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 389	Posted - 2014.04.16 11:25:00 - [3] - Quote DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Roman837 Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 233	Posted - 2014.04.16 11:49:00 - [4] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. 2000 people? That's sad Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters, Julius Romulus Liskus, Cesar Sousa
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2254	Posted - 2014.04.16 11:58:00 - [5] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. 2000 people? That's sad Sorry, who are you? Likes received: 233
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 345	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:07:00 - [6] - Quote o god i just played that pod cast i had no idea the level of crap there trying to feed the dust community. slander are name all you want DNS over a bug that CCP needs to fix that all you had to do was put in a support ticket for the bug that happened to your battle which in no way was caused by us. the dust community can all see thru your bull and we will fight you forever before we lay down and let you control free minded people. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2628	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:21:00 - [7] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: It-¦s kind of funny to try to make a gaming league in this sh*t game though. This is not Counter Strike or Quake Live. 5 vs 5 in Skirmish? Not a good idea. It doesnt sound like he thought this through really. Also, why should the players run these kind of things? CCP should be pushing for it. You know what... I'll try to get a thing going... Roman, you know what Black is saying is stupid, you also know when you, Fiddle, the TSOF guys, and a few others are the main pilots we see who really cares about DUST and that's YOU, not black... because it's YOUR districts, it's YOUR fights... don't let him fool you unless you want this to turn into an E-sport in which case DDB WILL turn into a used condom and your pilot won't matter... How to Leave PC
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1967	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:31:00 - [8] - Quote I love the idea of some eSports, Killar. I'm not too hot on the requirement that your corp has to join Black's alliance to participate. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2629	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:35:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I love the idea of some eSports, Killar. I'm not too hot on the requirement that your corp has to join Black's alliance to participate. I mean as the core of the game though, I want fights and politics to matter, not ladders and brackets How to Leave PC
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1967	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:37:00 - [10] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: I mean as the core of the game though, I want fights and politics to matter, not ladders and brackets Sure. There's definitely room to have both. And between Nyain and AE, DNS had more than enough room to run a tournament if they wanted, but in the podcast he's trying to claim you can only run an eSports tournament if you have a full 100% of PC? coughcoughBullcoughcoughcoughcoughcough I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2630	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:45:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Killar-12 wrote: I mean as the core of the game though, I want fights and politics to matter, not ladders and brackets Sure. There's definitely room to have both. And between Nyain and AE, DNS had more than enough room to run a tournament if they wanted, but in the podcast he's trying to claim you can only run an eSports tournament if you have a full 100% of PC? coughcoughBullcoughcoughcoughcoughcough Oh I agree there Custom Matches could be made though... How to Leave PC
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 104	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:16:00 - [12] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: It-¦s kind of funny to try to make a gaming league in this sh*t game though. This is not Counter Strike or Quake Live. 5 vs 5 in Skirmish? Not a good idea. It doesnt sound like he thought this through really. Also, why should the players run these kind of things? CCP should be pushing for it. from the desk of Cubs: the saddest part of all of this, is you are absolutely RIGHT! the equally sad truth of this, as well, is that we have all TRIED to get CCP to do such things.. for MONTHS but just like everything else in this game, if such things are going to happen, at least before we all turn our PS3s into fancy lunchboxes.. is to do it ourselves. I mean what else can you do when dealing with deaf, incompetent people that place zero effort into improving a pure crap game that happens to have a loyal following. bottom line the joke is on us. Just like KEQ.. learned of a locking glitch more than 4 months ago. alledgedly even reported it to CCP, but just like other gamebreaking glitches.. continue to exploit it for their own gain. what happens? nothing.... it took a competitive tournament with prizes on the line and a partnership with a 3rd party to get the melee glitch addressed. Whats gonna FORCE CCP to do anything now? FanFest? heard there isn't even a Dust tourney there this year... I just wish you all would close your wallets, cause that is really the ONLY way to get through to them... --------------------------------------end transmission----------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Roman837 Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 233	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:19:00 - [13] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: It-¦s kind of funny to try to make a gaming league in this sh*t game though. This is not Counter Strike or Quake Live. 5 vs 5 in Skirmish? Not a good idea. It doesnt sound like he thought this through really. Also, why should the players run these kind of things? CCP should be pushing for it. You know what... I'll try to get a thing going... Roman, you know what Black is saying is stupid, you also know when you, Fiddle, the TSOF guys, and a few others are the main pilots we see who really cares about DUST and that's YOU, not black... because it's YOUR districts, it's YOUR fights... don't let him fool you unless you want this to turn into an E-sport in which case DDB WILL turn into a used condom and your pilot won't matter... Listen, Get the idea out of your heads, that the pilots in our alliance, are not interested in Dust. That includes the old RA pilots, and a large number of the DNS intergration. Heres what people keep forgetting to inform the members of Dust who know nothing about EVE....WE DO NOT JUST CLICK JOIN BATTLE. In order for our pilots to be above the satellite, the have to fly from their home in Curse, to Molden Heath...so...about 20-25 jumps. Doesn't sound like much does it? Hope in a fast ship...and head on your way. Your wrong, Between Curse and MH are dozens of other EVE alliances, who set up ambushes, that blow the hell out of our guys. Now, yes, there is an easier way, its called Jumping using a special ship and a Cyno. But that requires multiple pilots to be online and in place at the exact amount of time. That is a lot to ask. EVE has been around a very long time, and a lot of its players, have set ways they like doing things. This Dust Orbital Support, is NEW to them. They are eager and willing to learn, and will dedicate some of their time to it. BUT...its just ignorant for us that live in MH to expect them to drop everything they have been doing for years, and come to all of our fights. I hope this opens the eyes of some of the people who have been posting and not knowing wtf they have been saying. Our Alliance pilots are dedicated to the ALLIANCE...Dust PC fights, is just a PART of that Alliance, and not the end all be all. SHORT VERSION- They come when they can and love a good brawl. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters, Julius Romulus Liskus, Cesar Sousa
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2630	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:21:00 - [14] - Quote Cubs Secretary wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: It-¦s kind of funny to try to make a gaming league in this sh*t game though. This is not Counter Strike or Quake Live. 5 vs 5 in Skirmish? Not a good idea. It doesnt sound like he thought this through really. Also, why should the players run these kind of things? CCP should be pushing for it. from the desk of Cubs: the saddest part of all of this, is you are absolutely RIGHT! the equally sad truth of this, as well, is that we have all TRIED to get CCP to do such things.. for MONTHS but just like everything else in this game, if such things are going to happen, at least before we all turn our PS3s into fancy lunchboxes.. is to do it ourselves. I mean what else can you do when dealing with deaf, incompetent people that place zero effort into improving a pure crap game that happens to have a loyal following. bottom line the joke is on us. Just like KEQ.. learned of a locking glitch more than 4 months ago. alledgedly even reported it to CCP, but just like other gamebreaking glitches.. continue to exploit it for their own gain. what happens? nothing.... it took a competitive tournament with prizes on the line and a partnership with a 3rd party to get the melee glitch addressed. Whats gonna FORCE CCP to do anything now? FanFest? heard there isn't even a Dust tourney there this year... I just wish you all would close your wallets, cause that is really the ONLY way to get through to them... --------------------------------------end transmission----------------------- Tell Cubs I agree and I certainly agree with what he's saying, the Melee glitch was also addressed via certain person's video and others nagging them How to Leave PC
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 392	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:23:00 - [15] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. 2000 people? That's sad How is that sad? Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1969	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:47:00 - [16] - Quote The Robot Devil marked out some choice DNSBlack quotes, I'll just copy his post from GD: The Robot Devil wrote: 47:00 You have to join us to play in a tournament. 1:05:00 You are going to be a part of it or you change it. 1:15:00 We don't need TWL 1:28:00 F you we do what we want 1:43:00 PFC was a joke 1:46:17 I have more friends than Kane even knows 1:48:00 I want them all under me, I don't want community support, I don't want a tournament; I want a DNS tournament I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:23:00 - [17] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. The return of corp battles is not really going to happen anytime soon. And as far as I saw, PFC was a completely garbage system that needed purging anyway. Don't believe me? Build a time machine, go back about six months, apply to a corp you know will police it, then police it. You'll soon see why I, and many others in DNS wanted PFC gone. It was a load of bureaucratic bull spit. No one on PFC got any better for being there. Heck, when TPF were the last to go down, from what I heard, they sucked royally (no offense). But in the three or four days since they stood their ground, I had heard that they had gotten miles better than any corp on PFC could have hoped for. Time to get a little RP in here, because I can't resist. Besides, the armies of our bio-mechanical warriors grows with each passing day, as each of your brothers fall. You will all be assimilated or you will be Deleted. Delete, delete, delete, delete.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3515	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:33:00 - [18] - Quote Read the first part of my signature, that is all. The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 190	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:46:00 - [19] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. The return of corp battles is not really going to happen anytime soon. And as far as I saw, PFC was a completely garbage system that needed purging anyway. Don't believe me? Build a time machine, go back about six months, apply to a corp you know will police it, then police it. You'll soon see why I, and many others in DNS wanted PFC gone. It was a load of bureaucratic bull spit. No one on PFC got any better for being there. Heck, when TPF were the last to go down, from what I heard, they sucked royally (no offense). But in the three or four days since they stood their ground, I had heard that they had gotten miles better than any corp on PFC could have hoped for. Time to get a little RP in here, because I can't resist. Besides, the armies of our bio-mechanical warriors grows with each passing day, as each of your brothers fall. You will all be assimilated or you will be Deleted. Delete, delete, delete, delete. You mean EXTERMINATE! Right? Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Zion Shad ZionTCD 2181	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:05:00 - [20] - Quote Thanks for putting up a link to the cast Xel. Co-Owner of Multiplexgaming.com Co-Host of PODSIDE on iTunes

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2637	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:12:00 - [21] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. The return of corp battles is not really going to happen anytime soon. And as far as I saw, PFC was a completely garbage system that needed purging anyway. Don't believe me? Build a time machine, go back about six months, apply to a corp you know will police it, then police it. You'll soon see why I, and many others in DNS wanted PFC gone. It was a load of bureaucratic bull spit. No one on PFC got any better for being there. Heck, when TPF were the last to go down, from what I heard, they sucked royally (no offense). But in the three or four days since they stood their ground, I had heard that they had gotten miles better than any corp on PFC could have hoped for. Looks at others in Top Men, looks at those who did PC elsewhere, then at those only on PFC, then at those on the scoreboard You're right to a degree PFC helps the newest of the new, to see how new FC's will do and finally to settle disputes similarly to how they were with corp battles, but if you hope to be competitive you have to do real PC... How to Leave PC
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3388	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:10:00 - [22] - Quote I've listened to three different podcasts over the last few weeks with DNS Black. On Declarations of War they had to mute him a few times. In that one and the others he never really answered the question with anything but rambling about jesus features and the sandbox. He seems to have plenty of friends in Eve and his Fan Fast appearances have been popular (not sure if he's presented more than once), but every time he spoke you could feel the eyes rolling and sense the unease from the hosts of the podcasts. I ended up skipping ahead when he spoke by the end of the podcasts. I'm not sure how any Dust player outside of the donut would be comfortable with that dude driving any discussion about Dust. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2347	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:14:00 - [23] - Quote Be aware that DNS Black is simply trying to make everyone "Look over there" and miss the fact that his ego caused a blue donut that no body wants. Please its like amateur hour of meta Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3388	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:16:00 - [24] - Quote If that's the leader of DNS then all inside should be embarrassed. If that dude has his way then all that you've done in this game since closed beta has been a waste of time. Level 3 Forum Warrior
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2795	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:57:00 - [25] - Quote Can some 1 please explain me how he got that position? I think we should get rid of him for beeing annoying. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4837	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:58:00 - [26] - Quote This guy is just face palm after face palm. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3398	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:01:00 - [27] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: This guy is just face palm after face palm. If I had to guess the dude who is currently on the CSM from DNS is wishing he would have run again to avoid this embarrassment. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2350	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:38:00 - [28] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Can some 1 please explain me how he got that position? I think we should get rid of him for beeing annoying. We are going to dump him after fanfest Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 887	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:43:00 - [29] - Quote I jumped on the live stream of that the other night..was pretty clear it was a grease fire from the get go. Only three words can describe that listening experience... Bat. Sh!t. Crazy. In all seriousness, It's a good thing for a passionate and well known EVE player that might be on the CSM to support Dust. However, what I'm now VERY concerned about is what will the rest of EVE think if DNS Black is the face of Dust. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4839	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 - [30] - Quote This dude is just a trainwreck. Absolute trainwreck. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2640	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 - [31] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I jumped on the live stream of that the other night..was pretty clear it was a grease fire from the get go. Only three words can describe that listening experience... Bat. Sh!t. Crazy. In all seriousness, It's a good thing for a passionate and well known EVE player that might be on the CSM to support Dust. However, what I'm now VERY concerned about is what will the rest of EVE think if DNS Black is the face of Dust. Don't worry about DNS, Hopefully Sugar and Steve can outspeak him regarding us and Soraya can open a intra-CFC thingy coughHorrible hacking coughing and wheezing How to Leave PC
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2001	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:25:00 - [32] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Don't worry about DNS, Hopefully Sugar and Steve can outspeak him regarding us and Soraya can open a intra-CFC thingy coughHorrible hacking coughing and wheezing Yes, the whole CFC is at my beck and call. I think if I try hard enough, I can get you a Rifter. Just one. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 395	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:34:00 - [33] - Quote I like the part where the scrub says DNS is growing everyday, you guys just lost vengeance inc. Your losing people everyday, and that will continue to happen. With every podcast, with every day that passes, civil war continues to brew. When the only people playing PC are DNS in their league, someone will wise up and say, why should they get all the isk. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4840	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:52:00 - [34] - Quote 1:30:00 in... At this point my laughing at him has turned to cringes and pity for the hosts. Will continue with my listening. I guess I'll run some 'protos' for a bit. Apparently that's Dust slang for pub matches. Had no idea. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Roman837 Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 234	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:53:00 - [35] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: I like the part where the scrub says DNS is growing everyday, you guys just lost vengeance inc. Your losing people everyday, and that will continue to happen. With every podcast, with every day that passes, civil war continues to brew. When the only people playing PC are DNS in their league, someone will wise up and say, why should they get all the isk. Once again, another stupid post from you. Listen, you are way out of your league on this Mathew. They did not leave, they were booted. And many of their players, rejoined other corps in the alliance. Every day, we are receiving, and accepting applications. You should stay concentrated on what your alliance is doing(pub matches) and let ours continue what its trying to do, 100% I love how everyone tries to start fires to get us in fighting, and turn on each other. Its so transparent. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters, Julius Romulus Liskus, Cesar Sousa
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2004	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:56:00 - [36] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I love how everyone tries to start fires to get us in fighting, and turn on each other. It's so much fun because it takes so little effort. It's like throwing a steak in the middle of a pack of rabid dogs. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Roman837 Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 234	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:01:00 - [37] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: I love how everyone tries to start fires to get us in fighting, and turn on each other. It's so much fun because it takes so little effort. It's like throwing a steak in the middle of a pack of rabid dogs. Very good point. I just find it very funny. Mathew/Spartacus Dust thinks he is so clever "ooooo you guys just lost a corp, fate is sealed!" Or..."oooooo omg omg, only 5pilots showed up to that fight to support your dust guys, DNS must not care" We have a lot going on. Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride. Don't talk, act if you don't like it. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters, Julius Romulus Liskus, Cesar Sousa
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2646	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:17:00 - [38] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Don't worry about DNS, Hopefully Sugar and Steve can outspeak him regarding us and Soraya can open a intra-CFC thingy coughHorrible hacking coughing and wheezing Yes, the whole CFC is at my beck and call. I think if I try hard enough, I can get you a Rifter. Just one. CSM and CPM wise I mean, I'm tired and we both know our friendly Gent Candidate's Opinion on DUST... How to Leave PC
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2006	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:19:00 - [39] - Quote Okay. Two Rifters. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2647	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:19:00 - [40] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: I like the part where the scrub says DNS is growing everyday, you guys just lost vengeance inc. Your losing people everyday, and that will continue to happen. With every podcast, with every day that passes, civil war continues to brew. When the only people playing PC are DNS in their league, someone will wise up and say, why should they get all the isk. I'm not meaning to be a ****, but I have a feeling and maybe it's affordable alcohol speaking but I think DNS is going to end up hurting soon. How to Leave PC

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2647	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:20:00 - [41] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Okay. Two Rifters. I say 1 Coercer! and that's FINAL! How to Leave PC
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2006	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:21:00 - [42] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Okay. Two Rifters. I say 1 Coercer! and that's FINAL! We're CFC. We only do Rifters. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2647	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:27:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Okay. Two Rifters. I say 1 Coercer! and that's FINAL! We're CFC. We only do Rifters. But mom I want the shiny Coercer... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH How to Leave PC
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 617	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:30:00 - [44] - Quote Rifters for everyone! Soraya is buying! Preeminent Scrambler Slayer And Python Pilot
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2652	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:40:00 - [45] - Quote I guess... How to Leave PC
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4843	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:07:00 - [46] - Quote I like the part where he says he speaks for the Dust community but then a few minutes later he says doesn't care about the community and doesn't need them. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
General John Ripper 20090	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:08:00 - [47] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I like the part where he says he speaks for the Dust community (funny, I never gave this drunkard my support) but then a few minutes later he says doesn't care about the community and doesn't need them. he should run for cpm Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2010	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:10:00 - [48] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I like the part where he says he speaks for the Dust community (funny, I never gave this drunkard my support) but then a few minutes later he says doesn't care about the community and doesn't need them. This is one of those instances where he's probably glad most people have already put in their CSM votes before this occurred. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4845	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:12:00 - [49] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I like the part where he says he speaks for the Dust community (funny, I never gave this drunkard my support) but then a few minutes later he says doesn't care about the community and doesn't need them. This is one of those instances where he's probably glad most people have already put in their CSM votes before this occurred. Ridiculous. I'm sure he'll represent the community fairly and just. You did pretty well addressing him considering he was essentially insulting you the entire time and not letting anyone speak. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2013	Posted - 2014.04.16 21:55:00 - [50] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: You did pretty well addressing him considering he was essentially insulting you the entire time and not letting anyone speak. Thanks. Sometimes on Podside you do just have to butt in and go, it can get pretty hectic in that channel. And yeah... DNSBlack doesn't pause to breathe. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:38:00 - [51] - Quote All i have to say is that in current state of PC, the idea of PFC just doesn't work, what i mean is when RA,ERA,RND,FA joined DNS
General John Ripper 20101	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:44:00 - [52] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Roman837 wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. 2000 people? That's sad Sorry, who are you? Likes received: 233 Likes don't matter. But we are going off topic. DNS Black is the worst thing that has happened to dust since Rampage was born. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Mister SHADOZE 10	Posted - 2014.04.16 23:00:00 - [53] - Quote Wait it's DNSBlack? Well **** I've been saying it wrong the whole time
Zion Shad ZionTCD 2182	Posted - 2014.04.17 05:23:00 - [54] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I like the part where he says he speaks for the Dust community (funny, I never gave this drunkard my support) but then a few minutes later he says doesn't care about the community and doesn't need them. he should run for cpm Lol everyone is running for CPM Co-Owner of Multiplexgaming.com Co-Host of PODSIDE on iTunes
Sum1ne Kn0wn Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:36:00 - [55] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I've listened to three different podcasts over the last few weeks with DNS Black. On Declarations of War they had to mute him a few times. In that one and the others he never really answered the question with anything but rambling about jesus features and the sandbox. He seems to have plenty of friends in Eve and his Fan Fast appearances have been popular (not sure if he's presented more than once), but every time he spoke you could feel the eyes rolling and sense the unease from the hosts of the podcasts. I ended up skipping ahead when he spoke by the end of the podcasts. I'm not sure how any Dust player outside of the donut would be comfortable with that dude driving any discussion about Dust. And you thought CBJ was bad, at least CBJ has 1 more brain cell
Cubs Secretary TeamPlayers 115	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:09:00 - [56] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Roman837 wrote: I love how everyone tries to start fires to get us in fighting, and turn on each other. It's so much fun because it takes so little effort. It's like throwing a steak in the middle of a pack of rabid dogs. from the desk of Cubs: you Payin for the steak? Cause I know I sure as **** am not giving one away... even if I got a nice discount cause im friends with the butcher, nothing is free. -----------------------------------end transmission---------------------------------- Please take a number your call will be answered shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1996	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:59:00 - [57] - Quote Here is the cold hard truth about Dust 514: The players are glitches and CCP exploits us. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Cat Merc, Long Evity, DeadlyAztec11 and Sinboto Simmons.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1496	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:46:00 - [58] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The Robot Devil marked out some choice DNSBlack quotes, I'll just copy his post from GD: The Robot Devil wrote: 47:00 You have to join us to play in a tournament. 1:05:00 You are going to be a part of it or you change it. 1:15:00 We don't need TWL 1:28:00 F you we do what we want 1:43:00 PFC was a joke 1:46:17 I have more friends than Kane even knows 1:48:00 I want them all under me, I don't want community support, I don't want a tournament; I want a DNS tournament Wow, these kinda sentiments might just end up poking the wrong bear and bring them out of retirement... (Opens Minibar)
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:03:00 - [59] - Quote Dnsblack needs to do standup comedy he's so funny.
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3351	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:51:00 - [60] - Quote I've been so busy at work so I haven't had a chance to listen to the pod cast. I do have the following to say about PFC and the Dirt Nap League: I'll be honest in that I think that PFC was a good system despite its flaws. That's why I'm still paying the PFC council ISK weekly out of passive ISK generated by Oddelulf. Planetary Conquest is broken and the progression form Pubs to PC is broken as well and I think PFC could have filled a niche in that progression. No, I don't think every player should be coddled, but at the same time new corps don't deserve to be draped in raw meat and then thrown into a cage full of lions with only a toothpick as a weapon. Right now though with the current 100% Molden Heath mentality PFC can't exist. I do think that the Dirt Nap League could be something completely unique in gaming and something worthwhile to really explore. I do however understand it has some major political hurdles before it that will be very difficult to overcome. If it doesn't work it doesn't work. Just like PFC at least something was tried to make the game more entertaining. I do think the DNL is the best bet to continue to provide players content in the current Planetary Conquest environment unless something gives and CCP begins to address some of the glaring and lingering issues in Planetary Conquest 1.0. I do think that 98% control has caught the attention of CCP and helped to start the gears of change spinning, and if we end up with the system being repaired some and the Dirt Nap League is no longer possible or doesn't make sense so be it. At least we were able to demonstrate how broken the system is and foster the momentum needed to address issues such as passive ISK and clone pack size. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2326	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:09:00 - [61] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I've been so busy at work so I haven't had a chance to listen to the pod cast. I do have the following to say about PFC and the Dirt Nap League: I'll be honest in that I think that PFC was a good system despite its flaws. That's why I'm still paying the PFC council ISK weekly out of passive ISK generated by Oddelulf. Planetary Conquest is broken and the progression form Pubs to PC is broken as well and I think PFC could have filled a niche in that progression. No, I don't think every player should be coddled, but at the same time new corps don't deserve to be draped in raw meat and then thrown into a cage full of lions with only a toothpick as a weapon. Right now though with the current 100% Molden Heath mentality PFC can't exist. I do think that the Dirt Nap League could be something completely unique in gaming and something worthwhile to really explore. I do however understand it has some major political hurdles before it that will be very difficult to overcome. If it doesn't work it doesn't work. Just like PFC at least something was tried to make the game more entertaining. I do think the DNL is the best bet to continue to provide players content in the current Planetary Conquest environment unless something gives and CCP begins to address some of the glaring and lingering issues in Planetary Conquest 1.0. I do think that 98% control has caught the attention of CCP and helped to start the gears of change spinning, and if we end up with the system being repaired some and the Dirt Nap League is no longer possible or doesn't make sense so be it. At least we were able to demonstrate how broken the system is and foster the momentum needed to address issues such as passive ISK and clone pack size. Did some random guy really have to come to dust and set up 5 vs 5 tournaments in skirmish to prove this? You need to stop acting like clowns. BTW Kain, push CCP to fix the bonus bug. It has existed in the game since Uprising 1.0: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156060&find=unread HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 400	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:09:00 - [62] - Quote I find Political Hurdles are easier when I don't speak and leave it to my diplo team, the idea coming from you sounds better and provides community leaders, even those who wage war against you with some faith, but after that pod side, I've lost all faith in anything DNS Black says. I can't count how many times he said I built, I made, I, I, I. Well I genuinely believe he doesn't care about the community, but I know you do Kain, you should take the soapbox and tell him to go hide in the blackness. 100% control currently does the following: Forces veteran players to do pubs and slaughter new players, making new players quit, Makes competitive players want to leave the game due to the broken mechanics in 1.0, Unites the community against DNSBlack, Try a test run, see who is interested. You don't need 100% to schedule one battle. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2661	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:29:00 - [63] - Quote I think CCP's ability to create CUSTOM MATCHES which was used for every other tournament... Except yours How to Leave PC
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3352	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:30:00 - [64] - Quote DNSBlack has his own way of discussing issues and is free to express himself just as anyone else. You may not like what he says or how he says it, but hate him or love him he drives the discourse forward even he happens to execute it like someone driving a semi through your living room. When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. If people ask, "Why would Kain put in the time to run something like this?" My answer is that I love running sports stuff and have a history of doing so in the Dust community even at my own expense: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/community-spotlight-kain-spero-tournament-organizer/ I have some ideas on how we can pull this off, so if you are interested reach out to me and let's make this happen. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 400	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:54:00 - [65] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: DNSBlack has his own way of discussing issues and is free to express himself just as anyone else. You may not like what he says or how he says it, but hate him or love him he drives the discourse forward even he happens to execute it like someone driving a semi through your living room. When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. If people ask, "Why would Kain put in the time to run something like this?" My answer is that I love running sports stuff and have a history of doing so in the Dust community even at my own expense: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/community-spotlight-kain-spero-tournament-organizer/ I have some ideas on how we can pull this off, so if you are interested reach out to me and let's make this happen. Well to wage war, we need proper tools as you've already stated, I truly feel sorry for the CPM0 I feel like everything was cast aside to make way for fanfest. That being said, this proposed league, has a lot of....RISK and no mention of reward. Working with DNS burns bridges with many in the community, and of course provides DNS with income, DNS Black rambled about a reward, but so far has given no insight as to what that maybe. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2024	Posted - 2014.04.17 20:28:00 - [66] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
General John Ripper 20140	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:02:00 - [67] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. All dns black wants is control. Your either with him or a nonfactor. You don't need 100% to hold a tourney. You don't need to be the ones who decides who gets to have fun and who doesn't. You don't need to strong arm and manipulate mercs to forcibly join your alliance. While it sounds good in theory, it will never work that way. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2028	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:05:00 - [68] - Quote That's why PFC let corps handle their own district. It's why PFC let the corps actually participating in PFC be the only party able to block another participant. Spero should realize that after PFC's existence, nobody in their right mind will accept an offer for a worse deal. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:31:00 - [69] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 907	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:43:00 - [70] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: DNSBlack has his own way of discussing issues and is free to express himself just as anyone else. You may not like what he says or how he says it, but hate him or love him he drives the discourse forward even he happens to execute it like someone driving a semi through your living room. When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. If people ask, "Why would Kain put in the time to run something like this?" My answer is that I love running sports stuff and have a history of doing so in the Dust community even at my own expense: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/community-spotlight-kain-spero-tournament-organizer/ I have some ideas on how we can pull this off, so if you are interested reach out to me and let's make this happen. Kain, I can justify working with someone who's in-game goals are opposed to mine if i truly believe they are trying to make the game better and they are willing to step back from the "in-game" and work it off-line to figure out how to achieve some things... you are a good example of that. I CAN"T justify working with an unstable meglomaniac like Black. Far as I'm concerned his name is now DNS BatShitCrazy. (That said this has all nicely set you up to swoop in as the "good guy" ) My short term recommendation would to be to push for a CCP vetted (with Player facilitation) third-party tourney on roughly a bi-montly basis. I've got a lot of basic concerns with mixing a tourney into the politcal PC landscape. The better option is that it is isolated from PC to bring 1) more interest and 2) a perception of legitimacy and impartiality. Even if CCP doesn't want to go the third party route then use the special contract mechanics and run it all internal. For arena play to really take off we need some level of impartiality injected. Rightly or wrongly, anytime corp tags are involved using the existing mechanics available to players things will be shaky. Long term, the corp contract mechanic would be great and could facilitate true 100% player generated and ran arena content (streams, ISK betting, the whole 9 yards). "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen

Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2666	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:45:00 - [71] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest Nyain Chan... How to Leave PC
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3353	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:46:00 - [72] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. People can get on board because if they want to be involved in Planetary Conquest they really don't have much of a choice other than going to war. Does that create a warm fuzzy feeling for everyone? Probably not and I can't out right say If PFC is better or worse than what will be the DNL because the DNL has yet to be established. How the DNL is going to function is something I am still working on but I can answer these two questions easily: Will people have to have a DNS tag if they want to have land? Yes. Will they have to have a DNS tag in order to participate in the DNL? No. As I said before I will be leading up the establishment of the DNL, and I don't expect anyone to bow down to DNSBlack. A chunk of the community kept clamoring for PFC to be burnt down and as long as there were districts not under direct control or in the same organization that wasn't something that was going to be a sure thing. I'm not happy about PFC being mothballed for now, but I have some plans to establish PFC 2.0. Those plans will likely have to wait until after FanFest. In the meantime the PFC council continues to exist and I can see their input on the private PFC forums helping to move the dialogue forward. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2029	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:46:00 - [73] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? This is very much a mechanical problem. You might've noticed new corps don't enter PC. Period. Any new power in Planetary Conquest has simply been formed of the remains of another corp that had power. It's functionally impossible for new players to enter PC, unless an area such as PFC is opened. Both the mechanics of clone packs and passive ISK generation ensure existing players will always have complete dominance, until CCP replaces this terrible gamemode. Mr Machine Guns wrote: edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest This is complete bull. More space means more money for the same folks that are already making too much money. Nothing more, nothing less. The only people who want this, are people who have a ton of districts and can easily get more. Did you ever consider why they would suggest that so heavily? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:47:00 - [74] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest Nyain Chan... what about Nyain Chan?
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:52:00 - [75] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? This is very much a mechanical problem. You might've noticed new corps don't enter PC. Period. Any new power in Planetary Conquest has simply been formed of the remains of another corp that had power. It's functionally impossible for new players to enter PC, unless an area such as PFC is opened. Both the mechanics of clone packs and passive ISK generation ensure existing players will always have complete dominance, until CCP replaces this terrible gamemode. Mr Machine Guns wrote: edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest This is complete bull. More space means more money for the same folks that are already making too much money. Nothing more, nothing less. The only people who want this, are people who have a ton of districts and can easily get more. Did you ever consider why they would suggest that so heavily? whats compete bull how many district has Nyain gained since joining DNS? i tell you 0 so to say its easier to get more district while in DNS the third largest landholder in dust has gain no land since joining DNS
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2031	Posted - 2014.04.17 21:59:00 - [76] - Quote I'm not trying to be rude, Mr Machine Guns, but the reality is that more land doesn't fix the problem. The only people who have ever said this is a solution are people who already own land, and can easily own more. You're saying DNS (or Nyain San) doesn't want more land. Then why not give up some of the land you have? What happens when someone decides that the land you have isn't enough, and goes for more? Alliance and corporate leadership changes hands sometimes. What happens when someone like DNSBlack decides 100% MH isn't enough, and it's time to go for 100% MH+whateverregion? The solution isn't to add something that only works as long as certain players adhere to their claimed intentions. We've seen the claimed intentions of DNS members swap so many times it's not even funny. We need a real solution to the game mechanics that prevents complete control, and maintains an atmosphere of constant conflict. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2666	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:02:00 - [77] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles. Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council. Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us. Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest Nyain Chan... what about Nyain Chan? They've got no competition and the timer is right for them, they could have a district... They are in DNS? How to Leave PC
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 908	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:03:00 - [78] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Will people have to have a DNS tag if they want to have land? Yes. Will they have to have a DNS tag in order to participate in the DNL? No. As I said before I will be leading up the establishment of the DNL, and I don't expect anyone to bow down to DNSBlack. Just to clarify...That is exactly OPPOSITE of what DNS Black stated repeatedly and not just on that grease fire Podside episode the other day. I see a serious disconenct between Black's interview statements, EVE side coms discussions, and position statements and videos and what you are saying. I'm also pretty confident that when Black comments on this in his DNS Black persona or CPM9 candidate hat it's the same position. Why not let the PC system playout however it's going to play out and put the same amount of time and effort into workign with the CCP community team to run totally legit tournements outside the political construct of PC? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
General John Ripper 20145	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:04:00 - [79] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? This is very much a mechanical problem. You might've noticed new corps don't enter PC. Period. Any new power in Planetary Conquest has simply been formed of the remains of another corp that had power. It's functionally impossible for new players to enter PC, unless an area such as PFC is opened. Both the mechanics of clone packs and passive ISK generation ensure existing players will always have complete dominance, until CCP replaces this terrible gamemode. Mr Machine Guns wrote: edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest This is complete bull. More space means more money for the same folks that are already making too much money. Nothing more, nothing less. The only people who want this, are people who have a ton of districts and can easily get more. Did you ever consider why they would suggest that so heavily? whats compete bull how many district has Nyain gained since joining DNS? i tell you 0 so to say its easier to get more district while in DNS the third largest landholder in dust has gain no land since joining DNS nyain san has a history of always backing the winning horse and changing sides if it looks like they are on a losing side. Doesn't seem like nyain has been big on expansion but very big on protecting its ASSets. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3353	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:10:00 - [80] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Kain, I can justify working with someone who's in-game goals are opposed to mine if i truly believe they are trying to make the game better and they are willing to step back from the "in-game" and work it off-line to figure out how to achieve some things... you are a good example of that. I CAN"T justify working with an unstable meglomaniac like Black. Far as I'm concerned his name is now DNS BatShitCrazy. (That said this has all nicely set you up to swoop in as the "good guy" ) My short term recommendation would to be to push for a CCP vetted (with Player facilitation) third-party tourney on roughly a bi-montly basis. I've got a lot of basic concerns with mixing a tourney into the politcal PC landscape. The better option is that it is isolated from PC to bring 1) more interest and 2) a perception of legitimacy and impartiality. Even if CCP doesn't want to go the third party route then use the special contract mechanics and run it all internal. For arena play to really take off we need some level of impartiality injected. Rightly or wrongly, anytime corp tags are involved using the existing mechanics available to players things will be shaky. Long term, the corp contract mechanic would be great and could facilitate true 100% player generated and ran arena content (streams, ISK betting, the whole 9 yards). I'm not a "good guy" and haven't claimed to be one, but I do care about the Dust community. I have to say that the the Urgent Fury tournament scarred me so bad I even have trouble thinking about TWL. Thankfully I can largely leave that to others that are interested in that sort of thing. I understand where you are coming from regarding using existing mechanics to allow players to run their own tournaments and leagues. I had to deal with that exact issue when I was rocking out my Imperfects tag (will always be an IMP at heart), but there are ways to overcome it. As for CCP creating the tools to facilitate some kind of arena mode or way for players to run their own tournaments I would love to see that happen. That said I think that using DNS control of Molden Heath we can execute it here and now. Granted we are sacrificing Planetary Conquest for an arena/tourney mode, but Planetary Conquest was already a broken game mode and was only driving both winners and losers from Dust. The status quo had to go. There are already discussions being had with websites like www.Eve-Bet.com and even some Dust players with Dev skills about setting up a way to have ISK betting be a reality for the DNL on the Eve and Dust side. We are also looking for folks that are interested in streaming as well for DNL matches. As crazy as the whole situation may seem DNS dot has the personnel, ISK financial resources, and territorial control to actually pull something like this off. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2033	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:14:00 - [81] - Quote Of course, Kain, "sacrificing" Planetary Conquest continues a giant ISK faucet into the pockets of every DNS corp in the meantime. And ensures that no member of DNS ever has any reason not to run full proto against every new player, destroying any chance of any new players ever joining this game. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2374	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:14:00 - [82] - Quote There will be NO Dirtnap league. Players want competition and victory to mean something not a ladder. DNS Black can **** Off and his weak attempts to show concern for dust players and the community. Any corp that participates in this is accepting EVE as their master and chinese food is here so back later Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 77	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:17:00 - [83] - Quote Free Beers wrote: There will be NO Dirtnap league. Players want competition and victory to mean something not a ladder. DNS Black can **** Off and his weak attempts to show concern for dust players and the community. Any corp that participates in this is accepting EVE as their master and chinese food is here so back later Yay munchies!!
General John Ripper 20146	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:19:00 - [84] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: As crazy as the whole situation may seem DNS dot has the personnel, ISK financial resources, and territorial control to actually pull something like this off. While true, nobody asked for, or wanted this. Yes we want a better pc experience. No we don't want you all in charge of it. Uniting a community like this won't work. People must wonder, is this all about helping provide a better pc experience for all players or another ploy to keep the same people in power? tbh if this type of tournament league is what you want, you should instead push for free clone packs and no passive isk farming. That way people can attack at will. Stop trying to control everything under a guise that you just want to help people. The community is not that stupid. At least most of us aren't... Your trying to gain while trying to make everyone else feel good about it. It is not going to work. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 676	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:31:00 - [85] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC? This is very much a mechanical problem. You might've noticed new corps don't enter PC. Period. Any new power in Planetary Conquest has simply been formed of the remains of another corp that had power. It's functionally impossible for new players to enter PC, unless an area such as PFC is opened. Both the mechanics of clone packs and passive ISK generation ensure existing players will always have complete dominance, until CCP replaces this terrible gamemode. Mr Machine Guns wrote: edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest This is complete bull. More space means more money for the same folks that are already making too much money. Nothing more, nothing less. The only people who want this, are people who have a ton of districts and can easily get more. Did you ever consider why they would suggest that so heavily? whats compete bull how many district has Nyain gained since joining DNS? i tell you 0 so to say its easier to get more district while in DNS the third largest landholder in dust has gain no land since joining DNS nyain san has a history of always backing the winning horse and changing sides if it looks like they are on a losing side. Doesn't seem like nyain has been big on expansion but very big on protecting its ASSets. are you talking about alliance hoping?? Lets see Nyain joined NF then left NF after all of its players joined other corps no? Pro V Nyain joined only because AE. was going to join as well Nyain left pro v after AE joined RA and Nyain joined RA, LOI i believe they joined then the Kujo stealing the wallet thing happened so LOI lost it best players Nyain left. If I'm wrong please corrected me
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3353	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:31:00 - [86] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I see a serious disconenct between Black's interview statements, EVE side coms discussions, and position statements and videos and what you are saying. I'm also pretty confident that when Black comments on this in his DNS Black persona or CPM9 candidate hat it's the same position. Why not let the PC system playout however it's going to play out and put the same amount of time and effort into workign with the CCP community team to run totally legit tournements outside the political construct of PC? The PC system did play out and the blight that is passive ISK led to the inevitable outcome we now have. I fought long and hard to prevent the inevitable, but I wonder if I wasn't just delaying real solutions being put in place. From the CRONOS war, stoking the EON/LOI conflict, organizing the initial FEC assault, and fighting with GTA and then mercing for RA I tried to prevent equilibrium or one side being completely destroyed. It's a loosing battle when you are fighting against the core design of PC where you earn more money by farming then fighting. Maybe now that Planetary Conquest is essentially destroyed it will finally free up CCP to change the current paradigm and see what happens. The problem is that with a system that is even limping along there is the desire to maintain the status quo and not try bold experiments. With essentially the endgame of PC reached as was predicted by Free Beers before PC even launched you can't really screw up PC any more than it is right now. As for working with the CCP community team there are folks that will still run some events through CCP, but there is something awesome about players taking the sandbox that is Planetary Conquest and truly shaping it into something unique that I don't think has ever been seen in gaming. We are on a new frontier and blazing the trail as we go, but I'm sure it will be a fun ride however it ends up. Sometimes things crashing down can provide as much content and entertainment as building them up. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 391	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:45:00 - [87] - Quote Can we impeach CPM reps? Seriously. If they are there to represent the entire Dust 514 community and the majority no longer wants them, is there a way to get them removed? I'm not only asking because I think Spero has lost his mind by hijacking a corp's recruiting thread and seriously considering this DNS overlord thing a good idea, but for all future CPMs that may get power hungry.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 909	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:46:00 - [88] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Kain, I can justify working with someone who's in-game goals are opposed to mine if i truly believe they are trying to make the game better and they are willing to step back from the "in-game" and work it off-line to figure out how to achieve some things... you are a good example of that. I CAN"T justify working with an unstable meglomaniac like Black. Far as I'm concerned his name is now DNS BatShitCrazy. (That said this has all nicely set you up to swoop in as the "good guy" ) My short term recommendation would to be to push for a CCP vetted (with Player facilitation) third-party tourney on roughly a bi-montly basis. I've got a lot of basic concerns with mixing a tourney into the politcal PC landscape. The better option is that it is isolated from PC to bring 1) more interest and 2) a perception of legitimacy and impartiality. Even if CCP doesn't want to go the third party route then use the special contract mechanics and run it all internal. For arena play to really take off we need some level of impartiality injected. Rightly or wrongly, anytime corp tags are involved using the existing mechanics available to players things will be shaky. Long term, the corp contract mechanic would be great and could facilitate true 100% player generated and ran arena content (streams, ISK betting, the whole 9 yards). I'm not a "good guy" and haven't claimed to be one, but I do care about the Dust community. I have to say that the the Urgent Fury tournament scarred me so bad I even have trouble thinking about TWL. Thankfully I can largely leave that to others that are interested in that sort of thing. I understand where you are coming from regarding using existing mechanics to allow players to run their own tournaments and leagues. I had to deal with that exact issue when I was rocking out my Imperfects tag (will always be an IMP at heart), but there are ways to overcome it. As for CCP creating the tools to facilitate some kind of arena mode or way for players to run their own tournaments I would love to see that happen. That said I think that using DNS control of Molden Heath we can execute it here and now. Granted we are sacrificing Planetary Conquest for an arena/tourney mode, but Planetary Conquest was already a broken game mode and was only driving both winners and losers from Dust. The status quo had to go. There are already discussions being had with websites like www.Eve-Bet.com and even some Dust players with Dev skills about setting up a way to have ISK betting be a reality for the DNL on the Eve and Dust side. We are also looking for folks that are interested in streaming as well for DNL matches. As crazy as the whole situation may seem DNS dot has the personnel, ISK financial resources, and territorial control to actually pull something like this off. If you focus on developing a tournement event outside the PC equation you instantly remove the friction from this equation. The simple fact is that at this point due to the communities perceptions of DNS Black, DNS dot, and to a lesser degree you as Kain Spero the player there is zero desire to be involved with this venture. Requiring players to change Alliance tags doesn't solve anything and ultimately does nothing positive for the community. There is absolutely know benefit to anyone other than feeding a very small number of folks egos. There are clearly enough mechanics and means in the game to run a tournement....you've had that capability for a very long time by your own admission. But there is know positive incentive to participate. Would you agree that a CCP sponsored regular tournement would be a better way to go? Why not put this amount of time and effort into that. If DNS Black had gone that route - gobbling up MH but leading the charge for impartial tournements this is a whole different discussion. The problem with mixing arena play and PC mechanics is that it is entirely personality based and give zero recourse to those not in the circle of power. Most of us can except that PC is unfair (to a degree as it should be) but in an arena style event or league there is little to no tolerance for that to enter into the equation. The simple fact is that DNS would ALWAYS be in a position to take from players, negate wins, withold or tax winnings, or enforce constraints or restraints in the concept you are proposing. This is inherently what is creating the reaction that you guys are getting now. I love the idea of generating content for the community....but if this is going to be a player driven thing then let's do this right and get a vetted system that is sponsored by CCP and run things in an entirely above board way. When the actual mechanics are there for real player generated tournements I'll be the first guy to sign up to help you organize them. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2035	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:52:00 - [89] - Quote Entirely right, Jaysyn. But we know DNSBlack would never have been interested in working with the community to run a tournament, or working with CCP to run a tournament. As he said "I don't want a tournament, I want a DNS tournament." And Spero, remember, you're backing a guy who went out on a very public podcast and stated "I don't want community support". A guy who has essentially said "kitten the community" to all of us. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1751	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:56:00 - [90] - Quote Don't say you do what you do for the community while at the same time your actions are shrinking it, eliminating good fights, and making all gameplay more difficult for people who don't want to play your way. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1751	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:59:00 - [91] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I fought long and hard to prevent the inevitable...... B.S. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 912	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:08:00 - [92] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I see a serious disconenct between Black's interview statements, EVE side coms discussions, and position statements and videos and what you are saying. I'm also pretty confident that when Black comments on this in his DNS Black persona or CPM9 candidate hat it's the same position. Why not let the PC system playout however it's going to play out and put the same amount of time and effort into workign with the CCP community team to run totally legit tournements outside the political construct of PC? The PC system did play out and the blight that is passive ISK led to the inevitable outcome we now have. I fought long and hard to prevent the inevitable, but I wonder if I wasn't just delaying real solutions being put in place. From the CRONOS war, stoking the EON/LOI conflict, organizing the initial FEC assault, and fighting with GTA and then mercing for RA I tried to prevent equilibrium or one side being completely destroyed. It's a loosing battle when you are fighting against the core design of PC where you earn more money by farming then fighting. Maybe now that Planetary Conquest is essentially destroyed it will finally free up CCP to change the current paradigm and see what happens. The problem is that with a system that is even limping along there is the desire to maintain the status quo and not try bold experiments. With essentially the endgame of PC reached as was predicted by Free Beers before PC even launched you can't really screw up PC any more than it is right now. As for working with the CCP community team there are folks that will still run some events through CCP, but there is something awesome about players taking the sandbox that is Planetary Conquest and truly shaping it into something unique that I don't think has ever been seen in gaming. We are on a new frontier and blazing the trail as we go, but I'm sure it will be a fun ride however it ends up. Sometimes things crashing down can provide as much content and entertainment as building them up. Kain, can you address the disconnect between your concept and DNS Black's statements? Serious question, btw. If there is serious difference between you and Black's vision of this concept that further concerns me as to why we should want to support this. If there is no difference...that really concerns me more. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3353	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:08:00 - [93] - Quote Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction. Again the only reason folks have to change tags is if they want to participate in events that would involve holding land like a conquest tournament over a single planet where the corp with the most districts at the end of the tourney period wins. When it comes to being involved in the DNL I don't see forcing a tag change as a necessary for participation. I understand where DNSBlack was coming from, but it's just not needed. DNSBlack has delegated setting up the league on the ground to me, so I plan on using my discretion in situations like this. I'm extremely familiar with the friction tag changes create. As an example ERA districts on the map actually represent FA, IMPS, TEAM, and TRE in addition to ERA. That sort of friction is the exact thing that would reduce participation. Dust 514 is a sandbox game and it's the players that run the sandbox. In beta the sandbox consisted of corp battles and I used those tools to great effect with billions in ISK betted by eve players, hundreds of Dust players participating in a seeded double elimination tournament, and a final match that had hundreds of Eve pilots duking it out in the skies above. These are stories that need be created in New Eden using the sandbox we have been given and not in a vacuum created by having matches conjured up out of thin air by CCP. For me doing it right means it actually happens in the sandbox, and for this to break down the walls of what is possible in a FPS game it needs to actually happen on the ground in New Eden. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1758	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:21:00 - [94] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction. Again the only reason folks have to change tags is if they want to participate in events that would involve holding land like a conquest tournament over a single planet where the corp with the most districts at the end of the tourney period wins. When it comes to being involved in the DNL I don't see forcing a tag change as a necessary for participation. I understand where DNSBlack was coming from, but it's just not needed. DNSBlack has delegated setting up the league on the ground, so I plan on using my discretion in situations like this. I'm extremely familiar with the friction tag changes create. As an example ERA districts on the map actually represent FA, IMPS, TEAM, and TRE in addition to ERA. Dust 514 is a sandbox game and it's the players that run the sandbox. In beta the sandbox consisted of corp battles and I used those tools to great effect with billions in ISK betted by eve players, hundreds of Dust players participating in a seeded double elimination tournament, and a final match that had hundreds of Eve pilots duking it out in the skies above. These are stories that need be created in New Eden using the sandbox we have been given and not in a vacuum created by having matches conjured up out of thin air by CCP. For me doing it right means it actually happens in the sandbox, and for this to break down the walls of what is possible in a FPS game it needs to actually happen on the ground in New Eden. I honestly had some respect for you until a few nights ago, and so did many others, as a CPM you actually played and interacted (mostly just recently), and as a player you learned to manipulate the sandbox in your favor, not an easy feat. The question is how do Kain the CPM who wants to do good for the game and Kain the player who is doing bad for it live with themselves? You can meta and roleplay all you want in this sandbox, but when does one Kain become the other, how can we trust anything you say when your actions show your are ruthlessly ambitious? Was it Kain the player or Kain the CPM who slandered our recruitment thread? Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2037	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:22:00 - [95] - Quote Spero, if you haven't heard the podcast, you might want to set aside some time for that before you keep defending DNSBlack. You really need to realize exactly what you're defending. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 912	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:35:00 - [96] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Spero, if you haven't heard the podcast, you might want to set aside some time for that before you keep defending DNSBlack. You really need to realize exactly what you're defending. Kain, did you get a chance to listen to it? I thought you had...if you hadn't it makes sense why you are carrying water for DNS Black and the Dirt Nap League idea. Seriously...even my EVE guys that don't want anything to do with Dust all pinged me immediately with "WTF?!" messages. A lot of them decided right then not to vote for him for CSM or regretted putting him on their ballets based on how he acted to folks on the podcast and the TWL rep and the ideas he was putting out for Dust and most of them don't even have PS3s. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3353	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:30:00 - [97] - Quote I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.04.18 13:51:00 - [98] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction. Of course not... People only don't like passive isk if somebody else is getting all of it.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 920	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:47:00 - [99] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction. Of course not... People only don't like passive isk if somebody else is getting all of it. I disagree with that. While the nearly complete blue donut has increased some interest passive ISK and the game imbalances that it creates have been discussed for months. I don't doubt that the recent activity has piqued some additional responses but saying that it's simply about "i'm not getting so its a problem" is pretty far of the mark. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4860	Posted - 2014.04.18 14:58:00 - [100] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. lol. The backpedals. Your boss is a fool. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

DJINN Stephani 224	Posted - 2014.04.18 15:14:00 - [101] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. finally some common sense. Also I have absolutely no problem with esports in dust, but it should not happen if it hurts PC. The Wolves of Mi-Bu Chief administer of beat downs~Head of made up positions remember kids, Gold is always in style
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 327	Posted - 2014.04.18 16:26:00 - [102] - Quote DJINN Stephani wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. finally some common sense. Also I have absolutely no problem with esports in dust, but it should not happen if it hurts PC. This. People should be able to have their esports if they want, but that is no reason to crush PC. PC isn't supposed to be a tournament environment, it's supposed to be mostly devoid of regulation, a place that is shaped and molded at the whims of corporations, alliances, and their players. PFC as a small section of PC is still a decent idea, but not when it is closely regulated by a single entity, and it should only exist in in the absence of an outside alternative. Kain, it's good to see that you've realized how far this has gotten out of hand. I understand that some players want a tournament environment to work with, but PC is not the place for that. Honestly, if that's what these players are looking for, I'm not really even sure of Dust is the game for them, at least not at the current time. Besides the short time with Corp Battles (arguably just a beta test for what would become PC), Dust has never had any indication of major support for bracketed/ranked style tournament matches.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2047	Posted - 2014.04.18 18:06:00 - [103] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. I think this is for the best. TWL sounds like a really great group of people, and I hope to see a league of their kind in DUST in the near future. But tying it to the political side of the game hurts both TWL and DUST 514 simultaneously. And while I do feel it would interest players, it would not interest players more than the small bit of sandbox that PC provides. My services will, as before, be available to the members of PFC at their leisure. I was looking forward to seeing what Bosena would offer in terms of a higher tier PFC, so I hope you do indeed get that running as well. I do think 99% control fully exemplify's a broken system, and see 100% of MH after this as relatively pointless, but I can't blame you guys for stopping when you're already so close. Hopefully Traky will continue to ensure your life is difficult in that regard. ;) And I share your hope that CCP gives us better clone packs soon. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2014.04.18 18:20:00 - [104] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. lol. The backpedals. Your boss is a fool. And yours is a snake.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4879	Posted - 2014.04.18 18:31:00 - [105] - Quote ::shakes head:: Fiddle, what are you even talking about? Please keep your propaganda and tears to the appropriate threads. The OH thread is here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81636&find=unread In this thread we're discussing the comedy that is DNSBlack. Please stay on topic. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 921	Posted - 2014.04.18 19:03:00 - [106] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. I appreciate your post on this. I'm glad you understood where the concerned negative reaction was coming from. Unfortunately, it's still going to continue to paint anything you guys actually try to do for the community as long a you've got DNS tags. In all honesty, I thought you were sharp to sharp to be so closely associated with someone like DNS Black. ESL is a great idea as an adjunct to Dust and I think you are offering a legitimate service with PFC. That said, It is not a great idea as a shaky substitution for a game mode enforced on the community by those who are in the position to take advantage of admittedly bad mechanics. As i said, if we get the actual tools to put things together for a robust player driven arena system that is DISTINCT from PC I will be there in an instant to help out. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 403	Posted - 2014.04.18 19:35:00 - [107] - Quote Good, I can put player trust in Kain, it's an uphill battle to get my guys to support anything he says, but I can do it, DNS Black I can't work with and neither can the community. PFC being re-established is good, I have some thoughts on it, but that's for another thread. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 308	Posted - 2014.04.18 20:23:00 - [108] - Quote Surprise the smallest part of the community wants to control the coolest content intended for the all of the community at large. d+¬j+á vu. To any ceo's that have + 150 members and are not part of the cool club, why are you not being half as loud about wanting to drop timers? If this is supposed to be a simulation of sovereignty that creates content for all corps through constant turf wars why do you have to RSVP? faction warfare army or it's ilk should own 70% of MH 16 hours a day only losing it during prime NA/EU/JP hours. So what if no one can keep anything all the time that's the point.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A 871	Posted - 2014.04.19 00:15:00 - [109] - Quote Never heard so much bs... seriously... is like listening a prostitute saying she is a virgin ... DUST BRASIL DIRECTOR PvE and P2PM plx
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3459	Posted - 2014.04.19 03:46:00 - [110] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. lol. The backpedals. Your boss is a fool. And yours is a snake. I'd take Radar in a minute over that nut job Level 3 Forum Warrior

MythTanker The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 92	Posted - 2014.04.19 04:28:00 - [111] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. GL with 100% you will need it The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2400	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:12:00 - [112] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. GL with 100% you will need it just attack DDB over and over or Die Valk and you'll stop it Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2348	Posted - 2014.04.19 06:34:00 - [113] - Quote PFC 2.0 only STD gear allowed? Lets create a new player practice environment for competitive play. HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1771	Posted - 2014.04.19 07:26:00 - [114] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: DUST 514 2.0 only STD gear allowed? Lets create a new player practice environment for competitive play. Fixed that for you. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2348	Posted - 2014.04.19 08:21:00 - [115] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: DUST 514 2.0 only STD gear allowed? Lets create a new player practice environment for competitive play. Fixed that for you. HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
Skylight Atoma The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 2	Posted - 2014.04.19 13:53:00 - [116] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Spartacus Dust wrote: DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth." I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more. CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. The return of corp battles is not really going to happen anytime soon. And as far as I saw, PFC was a completely garbage system that needed purging anyway. Don't believe me? Build a time machine, go back about six months, apply to a corp you know will police it, then police it. You'll soon see why I, and many others in DNS wanted PFC gone. It was a load of bureaucratic bull spit. No one on PFC got any better for being there. Heck, when TPF were the last to go down, from what I heard, they sucked royally (no offense). But in the three or four days since they stood their ground, I had heard that they had gotten miles better than any corp on PFC could have hoped for. Time to get a little RP in here, because I can't resist. Besides, the armies of our bio-mechanical warriors grows with each passing day, as each of your brothers fall. You will all be assimilated or you will be Deleted. Delete, delete, delete, delete. I only played off and on over the last year, but every time someone says "PFC was garbage" I don't ever see any explanation other than "it was a joke." If someone can link me to a thread explaining why PFC was bad I would appreciate it, but that's beside the point. PFC wasn't a complete waste as far as I saw it, it helped some corps get better, at the very least The Phoenix Federation. Having access to the structured matches that are PC battles without having to worry about grinding for ISK 24/7 for them is an invaluable asset to corporations who want to step into competitive waters. Just as in EVE, there is the potential for DUST corps to abuse their positions, in which case you kick off the corps who are purely farming PFC for ISK, which wouldn't be an issue given that they aren't even playing the PCs with more than 1-2 toons. FW queue syncing is a decent alternative to PC matches, but the lack of reliability of who you are fighting and on what map means there is essentially no time to talk strategy for specific maps without having separate corporate meetings since you are just thrust straight into a random map after the black loading screen. I've seen TPF grow in potential over the last few months with their time on PFC and I am disappointed that this infrastructure for developing similar talent is being removed under the guise of "needing" 100% of a regional income to support an -internal- tournament scene idea that is being forced onto the community as a whole. Aside from how poorly this "Dirt Nap League.", whatever it's called, is being sold to us, trying to emulate premade matches by having team members join a specific corp/alliance JUST to participate in a tournament is not helpful, it will fracture the corporations they came from and remove their own internal dialogue just to play "serious mode." This not only fractures communities, but the crisis management will be abysmal WHEN, not if, real life gets in the way of some tournament participants and they need some people from their corp/alliance (that they are no longer technically a part of in game) to fill in the missing slots. We need ACTUAL GAME MECHANICS to foster non-PC corp vs corp battles if you want to keep those corps/alliances intact through the tournament process. As with EVE, this game is not really about the game but who you play with. When you start breaking apart communities in return for game mechanics you start breaking apart the game and whatever future it might have. Edit: I just saw what Kane posted, which is better news than what I had anticipated, but I'm still going to leave this post as is.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 385	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:28:00 - [117] - Quote I don't see why we can't have both in MH what i would push to CCP is to open up more districts so there can be more room for things like PFC and tournaments. i think that some changes to PC can help more corps get involved like please for the love of god raise clone pacs above 120 and maybe bring in PVE so young corps can work to get the isk to be able to launch attacks. the fun we had lastnight was what playing dust is all about and there is no reason to stop having fun at the cost of DNS black that does not give 2 ***** about the dust player base. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 159	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:52:00 - [118] - Quote Can I get a too long didn't see version?
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 437	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:13:00 - [119] - Quote yep derrith again wrote: Can I get a too long didn't see version? DNS Blacks plans are horrible, his rant about not caring about the community and how he built everything makes you want to rip off your ****, slam screw drivers in your ear, and put needles in your toe nails and proceed to kick a wall while peeling your fingernails off using your teeth. Luckily Kane will now be taking over to do PR/Damage Control. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
yep derrith again Shining Flame Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:17:00 - [120] - Quote Spartacus Dust wrote: yep derrith again wrote: Can I get a too long didn't see version? DNS Blacks plans are horrible, his rant about not caring about the community and how he built everything makes you want to rip off your ****, slam screw drivers in your ear, and put needles in your toe nails and proceed to kick a wall while peeling your fingernails off using your teeth. Luckily Kane will now be taking over to do PR/Damage Control. Didn't know I was that much of a masochist. I'd just like to thank God the children and their adorable kittens won't be around to see it. Official DNS alt The official panty monk of FA.

General John Ripper 21223	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:38:00 - [121] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I have now listened to the podcast. I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely. After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention. The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. I wonder what made you change your mind? Dust Lotto Challenge - Bump for Free tickets! :)
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 880	Posted - 2014.05.01 13:54:00 - [122] - Quote listens to part of the podcast Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.* Mark Twain
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:17:00 - [123] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: *listens to part of the podcast http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/necromancer.htm
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2729	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:43:00 - [124] - Quote LET THE DEAD BE DEAD!! How to Leave PC
Spartacus Dust NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 486	Posted - 2014.05.01 23:11:00 - [125] - Quote Aww Killar, It's a nice reminder to the community what kind of person DNS Black is and how he feels about the community. EVE side is the only reason people are still there. Twitter @Matthew_Dust Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 884	Posted - 2014.05.02 04:34:00 - [126] - Quote I had just got around to listening to the podcast when I posted, I didn't even notice how old the thread was. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain


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