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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:59:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote: I fought long and hard to prevent the inevitable......
B.S.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
912
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:08:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I see a serious disconenct between Black's interview statements, EVE side coms discussions, and position statements and videos and what you are saying. I'm also pretty confident that when Black comments on this in his DNS Black persona or CPM9 candidate hat it's the same position.
Why not let the PC system playout however it's going to play out and put the same amount of time and effort into workign with the CCP community team to run totally legit tournements outside the political construct of PC?
The PC system did play out and the blight that is passive ISK led to the inevitable outcome we now have. I fought long and hard to prevent the inevitable, but I wonder if I wasn't just delaying real solutions being put in place. From the CRONOS war, stoking the EON/LOI conflict, organizing the initial FEC assault, and fighting with GTA and then mercing for RA I tried to prevent equilibrium or one side being completely destroyed. It's a loosing battle when you are fighting against the core design of PC where you earn more money by farming then fighting. Maybe now that Planetary Conquest is essentially destroyed it will finally free up CCP to change the current paradigm and see what happens. The problem is that with a system that is even limping along there is the desire to maintain the status quo and not try bold experiments. With essentially the endgame of PC reached as was predicted by Free Beers before PC even launched you can't really screw up PC any more than it is right now. As for working with the CCP community team there are folks that will still run some events through CCP, but there is something awesome about players taking the sandbox that is Planetary Conquest and truly shaping it into something unique that I don't think has ever been seen in gaming. We are on a new frontier and blazing the trail as we go, but I'm sure it will be a fun ride however it ends up. Sometimes things crashing down can provide as much content and entertainment as building them up.
Kain, can you address the disconnect between your concept and DNS Black's statements? Serious question, btw.
If there is serious difference between you and Black's vision of this concept that further concerns me as to why we should want to support this. If there is no difference...that really concerns me more.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3353
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:08:00 -
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Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction. Again the only reason folks have to change tags is if they want to participate in events that would involve holding land like a conquest tournament over a single planet where the corp with the most districts at the end of the tourney period wins.
When it comes to being involved in the DNL I don't see forcing a tag change as a necessary for participation. I understand where DNSBlack was coming from, but it's just not needed. DNSBlack has delegated setting up the league on the ground to me, so I plan on using my discretion in situations like this. I'm extremely familiar with the friction tag changes create. As an example ERA districts on the map actually represent FA, IMPS, TEAM, and TRE in addition to ERA. That sort of friction is the exact thing that would reduce participation.
Dust 514 is a sandbox game and it's the players that run the sandbox. In beta the sandbox consisted of corp battles and I used those tools to great effect with billions in ISK betted by eve players, hundreds of Dust players participating in a seeded double elimination tournament, and a final match that had hundreds of Eve pilots duking it out in the skies above. These are stories that need be created in New Eden using the sandbox we have been given and not in a vacuum created by having matches conjured up out of thin air by CCP. For me doing it right means it actually happens in the sandbox, and for this to break down the walls of what is possible in a FPS game it needs to actually happen on the ground in New Eden.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1758
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:21:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction. Again the only reason folks have to change tags is if they want to participate in events that would involve holding land like a conquest tournament over a single planet where the corp with the most districts at the end of the tourney period wins.
When it comes to being involved in the DNL I don't see forcing a tag change as a necessary for participation. I understand where DNSBlack was coming from, but it's just not needed. DNSBlack has delegated setting up the league on the ground, so I plan on using my discretion in situations like this. I'm extremely familiar with the friction tag changes create. As an example ERA districts on the map actually represent FA, IMPS, TEAM, and TRE in addition to ERA.
Dust 514 is a sandbox game and it's the players that run the sandbox. In beta the sandbox consisted of corp battles and I used those tools to great effect with billions in ISK betted by eve players, hundreds of Dust players participating in a seeded double elimination tournament, and a final match that had hundreds of Eve pilots duking it out in the skies above. These are stories that need be created in New Eden using the sandbox we have been given and not in a vacuum created by having matches conjured up out of thin air by CCP. For me doing it right means it actually happens in the sandbox, and for this to break down the walls of what is possible in a FPS game it needs to actually happen on the ground in New Eden.
I honestly had some respect for you until a few nights ago, and so did many others, as a CPM you actually played and interacted (mostly just recently), and as a player you learned to manipulate the sandbox in your favor, not an easy feat.
The question is how do Kain the CPM who wants to do good for the game and Kain the player who is doing bad for it live with themselves? You can meta and roleplay all you want in this sandbox, but when does one Kain become the other, how can we trust anything you say when your actions show your are ruthlessly ambitious? Was it Kain the player or Kain the CPM who slandered our recruitment thread?
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
"No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2037
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:22:00 -
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Spero, if you haven't heard the podcast, you might want to set aside some time for that before you keep defending DNSBlack. You really need to realize exactly what you're defending.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
912
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:35:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Spero, if you haven't heard the podcast, you might want to set aside some time for that before you keep defending DNSBlack. You really need to realize exactly what you're defending.
Kain, did you get a chance to listen to it? I thought you had...if you hadn't it makes sense why you are carrying water for DNS Black and the Dirt Nap League idea.
Seriously...even my EVE guys that don't want anything to do with Dust all pinged me immediately with "WTF?!" messages. A lot of them decided right then not to vote for him for CSM or regretted putting him on their ballets based on how he acted to folks on the podcast and the TWL rep and the ideas he was putting out for Dust and most of them don't even have PS3s.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3353
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:30:00 -
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I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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Stiddlefaxq
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:51:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction.
Of course not... People only don't like passive isk if somebody else is getting all of it.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
920
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:47:00 -
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Stiddlefaxq wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Without having someone gobble up all of Molden Heath I doubt the anti-passive ISK discussion would have been able to gain as much traction.
Of course not... People only don't like passive isk if somebody else is getting all of it.
I disagree with that. While the nearly complete blue donut has increased some interest passive ISK and the game imbalances that it creates have been discussed for months. I don't doubt that the recent activity has piqued some additional responses but saying that it's simply about "i'm not getting so its a problem" is pretty far of the mark.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4860
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:58:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
lol. The backpedals.
Your boss is a fool.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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DJINN Stephani
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:14:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
finally some common sense.
Also I have absolutely no problem with esports in dust, but it should not happen if it hurts PC.
The Wolves of Mi-Bu
Chief administer of beat downs~Head of made up positions
remember kids, Gold is always in style
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.04.18 16:26:00 -
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DJINN Stephani wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. finally some common sense. Also I have absolutely no problem with esports in dust, but it should not happen if it hurts PC.
This.
People should be able to have their esports if they want, but that is no reason to crush PC. PC isn't supposed to be a tournament environment, it's supposed to be mostly devoid of regulation, a place that is shaped and molded at the whims of corporations, alliances, and their players. PFC as a small section of PC is still a decent idea, but not when it is closely regulated by a single entity, and it should only exist in in the absence of an outside alternative.
Kain, it's good to see that you've realized how far this has gotten out of hand. I understand that some players want a tournament environment to work with, but PC is not the place for that. Honestly, if that's what these players are looking for, I'm not really even sure of Dust is the game for them, at least not at the current time. Besides the short time with Corp Battles (arguably just a beta test for what would become PC), Dust has never had any indication of major support for bracketed/ranked style tournament matches. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2047
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Posted - 2014.04.18 18:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
I think this is for the best. TWL sounds like a really great group of people, and I hope to see a league of their kind in DUST in the near future. But tying it to the political side of the game hurts both TWL and DUST 514 simultaneously. And while I do feel it would interest players, it would not interest players more than the small bit of sandbox that PC provides.
My services will, as before, be available to the members of PFC at their leisure. I was looking forward to seeing what Bosena would offer in terms of a higher tier PFC, so I hope you do indeed get that running as well.
I do think 99% control fully exemplify's a broken system, and see 100% of MH after this as relatively pointless, but I can't blame you guys for stopping when you're already so close. Hopefully Traky will continue to ensure your life is difficult in that regard. ;) And I share your hope that CCP gives us better clone packs soon.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Stiddlefaxq
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2014.04.18 18:20:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. lol. The backpedals. Your boss is a fool.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4879
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Posted - 2014.04.18 18:31:00 -
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::shakes head::
Fiddle, what are you even talking about? Please keep your propaganda and tears to the appropriate threads. The OH thread is here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81636&find=unread
In this thread we're discussing the comedy that is DNSBlack. Please stay on topic.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
921
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:03:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
I appreciate your post on this. I'm glad you understood where the concerned negative reaction was coming from. Unfortunately, it's still going to continue to paint anything you guys actually try to do for the community as long a you've got DNS tags. In all honesty, I thought you were sharp to sharp to be so closely associated with someone like DNS Black.
ESL is a great idea as an adjunct to Dust and I think you are offering a legitimate service with PFC. That said, It is not a great idea as a shaky substitution for a game mode enforced on the community by those who are in the position to take advantage of admittedly bad mechanics.
As i said, if we get the actual tools to put things together for a robust player driven arena system that is DISTINCT from PC I will be there in an instant to help out.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
403
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:35:00 -
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Good, I can put player trust in Kain, it's an uphill battle to get my guys to support anything he says, but I can do it, DNS Black I can't work with and neither can the community.
PFC being re-established is good, I have some thoughts on it, but that's for another thread.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:23:00 -
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Surprise the smallest part of the community wants to control the coolest content intended for the all of the community at large. d+¬j+á vu. To any ceo's that have + 150 members and are not part of the cool club, why are you not being half as loud about wanting to drop timers? If this is supposed to be a simulation of sovereignty that creates content for all corps through constant turf wars why do you have to RSVP? faction warfare army or it's ilk should own 70% of MH 16 hours a day only losing it during prime NA/EU/JP hours. So what if no one can keep anything all the time that's the point. |
Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
871
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:15:00 -
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Never heard so much bs... seriously... is like listening a prostitute saying she is a virgin ...
DUST BRASIL DIRECTOR
PvE and P2PM plx
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3459
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Posted - 2014.04.19 03:46:00 -
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Stiddlefaxq wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. lol. The backpedals. Your boss is a fool. And yours is a snake.
I'd take Radar in a minute over that nut job
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MythTanker
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
92
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Posted - 2014.04.19 04:28:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
GL with 100% you will need it
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2400
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Posted - 2014.04.19 06:12:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs. GL with 100% you will need it
just attack DDB over and over or Die Valk and you'll stop it
Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2348
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Posted - 2014.04.19 06:34:00 -
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PFC 2.0 only STD gear allowed?
Lets create a new player practice environment for competitive play.
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1771
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Posted - 2014.04.19 07:26:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:DUST 514 2.0 only STD gear allowed?
Lets create a new player practice environment for competitive play.
Fixed that for you.
Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2348
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Posted - 2014.04.19 08:21:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:DUST 514 2.0 only STD gear allowed?
Lets create a new player practice environment for competitive play. Fixed that for you.
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
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Skylight Atoma
The Phoenix Federation
Caps and Mercs
2
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Posted - 2014.04.19 13:53:00 -
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yep derrith again wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:DNS Black's plan for DUST 514 is complete and utter garbage that could be supplemented with the return of Corp Battles. You think everyone not in DNS is the minority. God I can't believe I'm going to say "we are the 99% and you are the 1% who controls the districts/wealth."
I rep over 2,000 players, believe me, it's not just WTF saying **** you, it's a lot more.
CCP ROUGE, be the messiah that the CPM0 prophesized. The return of corp battles is not really going to happen anytime soon. And as far as I saw, PFC was a completely garbage system that needed purging anyway. Don't believe me? Build a time machine, go back about six months, apply to a corp you know will police it, then police it. You'll soon see why I, and many others in DNS wanted PFC gone. It was a load of bureaucratic bull spit. No one on PFC got any better for being there. Heck, when TPF were the last to go down, from what I heard, they sucked royally (no offense). But in the three or four days since they stood their ground, I had heard that they had gotten miles better than any corp on PFC could have hoped for. Time to get a little RP in here, because I can't resist. Besides, the armies of our bio-mechanical warriors grows with each passing day, as each of your brothers fall. You will all be assimilated or you will be Deleted.Delete, delete, delete, delete.
I only played off and on over the last year, but every time someone says "PFC was garbage" I don't ever see any explanation other than "it was a joke." If someone can link me to a thread explaining why PFC was bad I would appreciate it, but that's beside the point. PFC wasn't a complete waste as far as I saw it, it helped some corps get better, at the very least The Phoenix Federation.
Having access to the structured matches that are PC battles without having to worry about grinding for ISK 24/7 for them is an invaluable asset to corporations who want to step into competitive waters. Just as in EVE, there is the potential for DUST corps to abuse their positions, in which case you kick off the corps who are purely farming PFC for ISK, which wouldn't be an issue given that they aren't even playing the PCs with more than 1-2 toons. FW queue syncing is a decent alternative to PC matches, but the lack of reliability of who you are fighting and on what map means there is essentially no time to talk strategy for specific maps without having separate corporate meetings since you are just thrust straight into a random map after the black loading screen. I've seen TPF grow in potential over the last few months with their time on PFC and I am disappointed that this infrastructure for developing similar talent is being removed under the guise of "needing" 100% of a regional income to support an -internal- tournament scene idea that is being forced onto the community as a whole.
Aside from how poorly this "Dirt Nap League.", whatever it's called, is being sold to us, trying to emulate premade matches by having team members join a specific corp/alliance JUST to participate in a tournament is not helpful, it will fracture the corporations they came from and remove their own internal dialogue just to play "serious mode." This not only fractures communities, but the crisis management will be abysmal WHEN, not if, real life gets in the way of some tournament participants and they need some people from their corp/alliance (that they are no longer technically a part of in game) to fill in the missing slots. We need ACTUAL GAME MECHANICS to foster non-PC corp vs corp battles if you want to keep those corps/alliances intact through the tournament process.
As with EVE, this game is not really about the game but who you play with. When you start breaking apart communities in return for game mechanics you start breaking apart the game and whatever future it might have.
Edit: I just saw what Kane posted, which is better news than what I had anticipated, but I'm still going to leave this post as is. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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I don't see why we can't have both in MH what i would push to CCP is to open up more districts so there can be more room for things like PFC and tournaments. i think that some changes to PC can help more corps get involved like please for the love of god raise clone pacs above 120 and maybe bring in PVE so young corps can work to get the isk to be able to launch attacks. the fun we had lastnight was what playing dust is all about and there is no reason to stop having fun at the cost of DNS black that does not give 2 ***** about the dust player base.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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yep derrith again
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:52:00 -
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Can I get a too long didn't see version? |
Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:13:00 -
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yep derrith again wrote:Can I get a too long didn't see version?
DNS Blacks plans are horrible, his rant about not caring about the community and how he built everything makes you want to rip off your ****, slam screw drivers in your ear, and put needles in your toe nails and proceed to kick a wall while peeling your fingernails off using your teeth.
Luckily Kane will now be taking over to do PR/Damage Control.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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yep derrith again
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:17:00 -
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Spartacus Dust wrote:yep derrith again wrote:Can I get a too long didn't see version? DNS Blacks plans are horrible, his rant about not caring about the community and how he built everything makes you want to rip off your ****, slam screw drivers in your ear, and put needles in your toe nails and proceed to kick a wall while peeling your fingernails off using your teeth. Luckily Kane will now be taking over to do PR/Damage Control.
Didn't know I was that much of a masochist. I'd just like to thank God the children and their adorable kittens won't be around to see it.
Official DNS alt The official panty monk of FA.
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