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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:40:00 -
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Everyone interested in DNSBlack's perspective on 100% MH should have a listen. There's some particularly fantastic gems in there for you. I dropped into the podcast channel, and heard a few things I just had to contest. So I crashed the party.
http://s8.multiplexgaming.com/downloads/PodsideEp196.mp3
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
1967
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:31:00 -
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I love the idea of some eSports, Killar. I'm not too hot on the requirement that your corp has to join Black's alliance to participate.
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
1967
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:37:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:I mean as the core of the game though, I want fights and politics to matter, not ladders and brackets
Sure. There's definitely room to have both. And between Nyain and AE, DNS had more than enough room to run a tournament if they wanted, but in the podcast he's trying to claim you can only run an eSports tournament if you have a full 100% of PC? *coughcough*Bull*coughcoughcoughcoughcough*
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1969
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:47:00 -
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The Robot Devil marked out some choice DNSBlack quotes, I'll just copy his post from GD:
The Robot Devil wrote:47:00 You have to join us to play in a tournament.
1:05:00 You are going to be a part of it or you change it.
1:15:00 We don't need TWL
1:28:00 F you we do what we want
1:43:00 PFC was a joke
1:46:17 I have more friends than Kane even knows
1:48:00 I want them all under me, I don't want community support, I don't want a tournament; I want a DNS tournament
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2001
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:25:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Don't worry about DNS, Hopefully Sugar and Steve can outspeak him regarding us and Soraya can open a intra-CFC thingy *cough**Horrible hacking coughing and wheezing*
Yes, the whole CFC is at my beck and call.
I think if I try hard enough, I can get you a Rifter. Just one.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2004
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:56:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:I love how everyone tries to start fires to get us in fighting, and turn on each other.
It's so much fun because it takes so little effort. It's like throwing a steak in the middle of a pack of rabid dogs.
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
2006
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:19:00 -
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Okay. Two Rifters.
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Soraya Xel
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2006
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:21:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Okay. Two Rifters. I say 1 Coercer! and that's FINAL! 
We're CFC. We only do Rifters.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2010
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:10:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I like the part where he says he speaks for the Dust community (funny, I never gave this drunkard my support) but then a few minutes later he says doesn't care about the community and doesn't need them.
This is one of those instances where he's probably glad most people have already put in their CSM votes before this occurred.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2013
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:55:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:You did pretty well addressing him considering he was essentially insulting you the entire time and not letting anyone speak.
Thanks. Sometimes on Podside you do just have to butt in and go, it can get pretty hectic in that channel. And yeah... DNSBlack doesn't pause to breathe.
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
2024
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:28:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:When it comes to the DNL I am going to be the one taking the lead on setting it up and I understand the grave concerns the community has right now with the situation. I think we can work through those concerns and figure out a way to make this a win for everyone. If the community unites and starts a war against DNS so be it. We have gone from stagnation and brush fires to all out conflict that provides content to the whole community. If folks get on board with the DNL then great. We can run tourneys like back in the beta when we still had the fantastic tool of corp battles.
Why would anyone get on board with it? Why would anyone in their right mind get on board with it? DNS is responsible for killing PFC, which was better for the community than what DNSBlack is trying to push. PFC was based on the reality that it's been proven egotistical overlords running PFC don't work. That's why we had a Council.
Now you want us to bow down to an even more egotistical tool than we've ever seen before, and join his alliance to participate? You've gotta be kidding me, Kane. You're smarter than that. And so are the rest of us.
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Soraya Xel
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2028
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:05:00 -
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That's why PFC let corps handle their own district. It's why PFC let the corps actually participating in PFC be the only party able to block another participant. Spero should realize that after PFC's existence, nobody in their right mind will accept an offer for a worse deal.
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
2029
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:46:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Im just trying to play devils advocate here but name a corp that started on PFC and went on to be really successful in PC? None that i can think of, but you got to understand PFC does not work in the current state of PC for example lets say we left PFC alone and DNS took the rest of the district who are you going to attack and be able to maintain a district outside of PFC?
This is very much a mechanical problem. You might've noticed new corps don't enter PC. Period. Any new power in Planetary Conquest has simply been formed of the remains of another corp that had power. It's functionally impossible for new players to enter PC, unless an area such as PFC is opened. Both the mechanics of clone packs and passive ISK generation ensure existing players will always have complete dominance, until CCP replaces this terrible gamemode.
Mr Machine Guns wrote:edit: people need to understand that if CCP does open up more land PFC might be able to be expanded beyond one planet and there comes a point were a corp can only hold x amount of land too, but who knows what will happen with PC just need to wait for fanfest
This is complete bull. More space means more money for the same folks that are already making too much money. Nothing more, nothing less. The only people who want this, are people who have a ton of districts and can easily get more. Did you ever consider why they would suggest that so heavily?
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:59:00 -
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I'm not trying to be rude, Mr Machine Guns, but the reality is that more land doesn't fix the problem. The only people who have ever said this is a solution are people who already own land, and can easily own more.
You're saying DNS (or Nyain San) doesn't want more land. Then why not give up some of the land you have? What happens when someone decides that the land you have isn't enough, and goes for more? Alliance and corporate leadership changes hands sometimes. What happens when someone like DNSBlack decides 100% MH isn't enough, and it's time to go for 100% MH+whateverregion?
The solution isn't to add something that only works as long as certain players adhere to their claimed intentions. We've seen the claimed intentions of DNS members swap so many times it's not even funny. We need a real solution to the game mechanics that prevents complete control, and maintains an atmosphere of constant conflict.
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
2033
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:14:00 -
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Of course, Kain, "sacrificing" Planetary Conquest continues a giant ISK faucet into the pockets of every DNS corp in the meantime. And ensures that no member of DNS ever has any reason not to run full proto against every new player, destroying any chance of any new players ever joining this game.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:52:00 -
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Entirely right, Jaysyn. But we know DNSBlack would never have been interested in working with the community to run a tournament, or working with CCP to run a tournament. As he said "I don't want a tournament, I want a DNS tournament."
And Spero, remember, you're backing a guy who went out on a very public podcast and stated "I don't want community support". A guy who has essentially said "kitten the community" to all of us.
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Soraya Xel
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Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:22:00 -
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Spero, if you haven't heard the podcast, you might want to set aside some time for that before you keep defending DNSBlack. You really need to realize exactly what you're defending.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.04.18 18:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I have now listened to the podcast.
I had a meeting last night with TWL and DNSBlack and I have put the relationship between DNS dot and TWL on hold. When it comes to matters of Dust 514 and the Dust community DNSBlack will now be deferring to me. The Dirt Nap League has also now been put on hold indefinitely.
After FanFest the PFC will be reestablished and it WILL NOT require membership in DNS dot to participate. I will continue my discussions with the PFC Council and its administrator and seek their advice on how best to kick off PFC 2.0. There will be consideration given to Bosena also being reopened as Thunderdome so that Fittaken can be established as a community zone. I appreciate my friends in the community that brought this situation to my attention.
The pursuit of 100% Molden Heath control will continue in the meantime to exemplify the broken nature of key mechanics such as passive ISK and the inept tools of war such as anemic clone packs.
I think this is for the best. TWL sounds like a really great group of people, and I hope to see a league of their kind in DUST in the near future. But tying it to the political side of the game hurts both TWL and DUST 514 simultaneously. And while I do feel it would interest players, it would not interest players more than the small bit of sandbox that PC provides.
My services will, as before, be available to the members of PFC at their leisure. I was looking forward to seeing what Bosena would offer in terms of a higher tier PFC, so I hope you do indeed get that running as well.
I do think 99% control fully exemplify's a broken system, and see 100% of MH after this as relatively pointless, but I can't blame you guys for stopping when you're already so close. Hopefully Traky will continue to ensure your life is difficult in that regard. ;) And I share your hope that CCP gives us better clone packs soon.
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