Basic Reactive plates have no speed penalty, and cost only 10 CPU plus 1 PG.

Anyways if you can't make shields work then that's YOUR issue. All I know is that I get 2 to 3 the amount of kills, and less than half the deaths, with a shield suit over an armor suit.

Shields work for me, armor doesn't work for me :: Armor works for you, shields do not work for you. That's just the way it is. Don't blame the style, blame the artist.

I've used shields since closed beta

See, you still have the mentality from that time period. Back then everybody ran shields, so you could face people in fair open gun fights and not be at a disadvantage. Things are different now, people actually use armor outside of heavies.

Try being am armor tanker(medium suit) for a week. I guarantee you'll get over your "shields are worst in every possible way" attitude. You think having yo wait 20 seconds to recharge shields is bad? Try having to wait 1:30 for your armor to heal. The struggle is real, and I can guarantee that the grass is no greener on the other side.

See, you still have the mentality from that time period. Back then everybody ran shields, so you could face people in fair open gun fights and not be at a disadvantage. Things are different now, people actually use armor outside of heavies.

Try being am armor tanker(medium suit) for a week. I guarantee you'll get over your "shields are worst in every possible way" attitude. You think having yo wait 20 seconds to recharge shields is bad? Try having to wait 1:30 for your armor to heal. The struggle is real, and I can guarantee that the grass is no greener on the other side.

Shields aren't meant to stand and deliver. They are meant for speed, agility and tactical positioning. Armor is meant for pressing the enemy, advancing and out lasting enemies in fair fights.

When you're shield tanking you're suppose to flank hard, dodge & weave and of course retreat fast. Shields aren't meant to be used to fight people head on. You're not suppose to feel comfortable taking on an armor tanker face to face in a fair fight.

Shield tankers either use their speed to close in on there opponents from behind and apply a quick burst of high damage (Minmatar), or get to tactically advantageous cover and use your fast shield regen to out shoot higher HP opponents by recovering HP faster (Caldari). Speed is much better than HP in most situations, and this is proven by how affective Scouts are against heavies who have 4-5x the health they do.

So shield tankers, which I'am one, need to stop playing like armor tankers and more importantly need to stop trying to get as much bonuses as them. Shield tankers get better regen and strafe. Speed is the name of the game, USE IT TO YOUR ADANTAGE. Shields and Armour are completely different play styles and we all need to stop pretending they're the same.The only thing that shield tankers should lobby for is Shield Extenders to be changed from 22 to 33, and 33 to 44.

lets see, 250 shields, 400+ armor, decent regen, much higher chance of winning fights, what am i missing?

*Brofist*

Take my fit for example. Min Scout, with 265 shields at proto. All I need. Why?

I run an enhanced energizer and a Complex Regulator. That gives me 60 shield a second and 3 second downtime. On Top of a cloak, dampener, and speed.

I can engage targets, and destroy them in a game of attrition. Take down a target quickly. Weaken another. Fall back when I take damage. Cloak, re-position, re-engage. Rinse and Repeat until they all die. If reinforcements prove too much? Fall all the way back. At least you slowed them down a bit.

Strafe speed, jump height, and stamina regen. A gun fight is more than just X + b = T, it's more like Watermelon -¦ Duct tape = -|Lobster x (27++0)|

well my cal scout assault i cant fit a cloak...just 2 shield regs

Strafe speed, jump height, and stamina regen. A gun fight is more than just X + b = T, it's more like Watermelon -¦ Duct tape = -|Lobster x (27++0)|

I use the caldari method: take a knee way the hell away from them and turn their face into a fine mist with a rail rifle since that's all I can do. If they get within range then I'm already dead since my regen takes forever, gets canceled out if the wind blows too hard, and oh right, THERE IS NO TEAM SUPPORT FOR SHIELDS AT ALL.

I run heavies(twin RR commando and Burst HMG sent) and scouts. I have less HP than anything that isn't minmatar(and you guys can at least stack armor if you want to), run slower than minmatar, get picked up on scans easier than minmatar(that 4/2 layout is a ***** for scouting modules)

Armor is flat out better and has been since forever.

one bullet hits you and the "physical impulse" kills you because your precious speed just got yanked, jumps put you on a nice, predictable path, and if you live long enough to regen stamina, then the other person is terrible and should feel bad.

lets see
hp>speed
always a logi near
aim assist
better fitting, for better weapons & such
so, shields are SO much better

Looks like 90% of my opponents need to go give back their proto gear and go.back to the academy. Also, the stamina regen on the Minmatar Assault is ridiculously, absurdly, and even stupidly fast. You blink twice and you have half your stamina back. Also, jumps are used best when behind people, then when they start turning.around you can jump sideways to put a couple more shots in them before they can shoot back.

Except that then you have one guy who's vulnerable to be killed, and then if he does get killed then everyone he's supporting is screwed: "Pull a pin from the bottom and the whole stack falls". If you kill one guy from a group of shield tankers then the only thing that you hurt is their fire power.

That's the big vulnerability of Armor tankers, you need to have a Logi, and you need to make sure they don't die. Or they are stuck to a spot because that's where they have their triage nanohive. Shield tankers don't have to be reliant on other players or equipment, and that's what makes them so flexible and adaptable.

and then they shoot back, and you get killed.

One thing that doesn't make sense to me is, when you get hit and receive the slow down effect, shouldn't that only happen when it hits armor? I mean, isn't the shield around you so it doesn't physically slow you down if it receives damage?

I'd like to correct a misconception.

Shield tanking does not make you faster; they don't. Although for some odd reason, stacking shield extenders make you worse at shield tanking? And the speed penalty for armor plates was reduced to non-factor levels a long time ago.

Is there a balance issue between shields and armor? I believe so. Caldari medium frames are dual tanking. Stacking heavy armor reps on your vehicle heals you faster than shields can recharge, but constantly.

physics says pushback clollison form shield absorping the shot.

Just want to correct the bolded. Armor has not been good since forever, it's gotten good sometime after uprising. Up until then shields were insanely good but in classic CCP fashion they got the nerf hammer.

This is just pathetic. Shields were NEVER nerfed ( except for that teeny-weeny delay penalty)

Those subclasses don't really exist in a consistent form in Dust.

The Gallante are SUPPOSE to have a bit of armor, that allows them moderate speed and that they can quickly regen. While the Amarr are suppose to have the most HP period(Shield and Armor), while using their high stamina to move across the field at a consistent and pressing fashion.

The Caldari are suppose to have a ton of Shields they can regen fast, with no movement penalty. While the Minmatar are suppose to have a slight bit of Shields AND Amor that they can regen at moderate speeds, while having very fast strafe speeds.

These play styles aren't exactly cookie cutter from EVE.

Shields aren't meant to stand and deliver. They are meant for speed, agility and tactical positioning. Armor is meant for pressing the enemy, advancing and out lasting enemies in fair fights.

When you're shield tanking you're suppose to flank hard, dodge & weave and of course retreat fast. Shields aren't meant to be used to fight people head on. You're not suppose to feel comfortable taking on an armor tanker face to face in a fair fight.

Shield tankers either use their speed to close in on there opponents from behind and apply a quick burst of high damage (Minmatar), or get to tactically advantageous cover and use your fast shield regen to out shoot higher HP opponents by recovering HP faster (Caldari). Speed is much better than HP in most situations, and this is proven by how affective Scouts are against heavies who have 4-5x the health they do.

So shield tankers, which I'am one, need to stop playing like armor tankers and more importantly need to stop trying to get as much bonuses as them. Shield tankers get better regen and strafe. Speed is the name of the game, USE IT TO YOUR ADANTAGE. Shields and Armour are completely different play styles and we all need to stop pretending they're the same.The only thing that shield tankers should lobby for is Shield Extenders to be changed from 22 to 33, and 33 to 44.

This is just pathetic. Shields were NEVER nerfed ( except for that teeny-weeny delay penalty)

Shield doesn't mean fast. Caldari weapons and tactics aren't built around speed, but are built around range. An often said quote for the Caldari weapons systems are "I don't need a fast ship, I can hit you from here". The ion pistol, rail rifle, forge gun, are all longer range weapons (Longer than their cousin hybrid, the blaster), with slower rates of fire, slower tracking, and more volley damage. Ideally, a Rail Rifle should have a lot of trouble up close, and would lose to a blaster 1v1 (pitting hybrid versus hybrid), but at range, Rail Rifle should stand tall and kill the Blaster (Being the Assault Rifle). Even though the Gallente are armor, they are most likely more agile than the Caldari, and are meant for close range combat.

It should be removed all together. It negatively affects everyone in the game and is more of a hassle than it's worth.