DUST Search - Scouts dont need Cloaks

Knight Solitaire wrote:

Remove them, or at least change our **** bonus, the only people that NEED that bonus and need the Cloak are the ones who use them for Shotgunning, the ones who rely on them too heavily for combat purposes, Cloaks should NOT be used for Combat, and that is how they're being used.

Cloaks are a nuisance in-game, and are a pain to balance, either remove them, or make them use up more PG/CPU on our Scout suits.

Using a Cloak gives the player too much of an advantage over others, it allows them to assess a situation, plan their attack, and even start an engagement before the enemy even know you're there all for a low PG/CPU cost, because **** balance, right?

Its completely dumbed down Shotgunning, it promotes camping, and it only serves to worsen gameplay.

I hate the Cloak because it can be abused and taken far outside its intended use of safe traversal of a map, and a stealthy option for people who want to play a more passive Scout rather than being Combat Focused.

I also hate the Cloak because for some reason CCP thinks our bonus should rely on one piece of gear that does not suit everyone's playstyle, the Scout's bonus should have something to do with the TacNet, and later on down the road, the Cloak bonus should be applied to a Black Ops suit.

I specced into the Scout suit to Scout and sabotage, not hide in a corner almost completely invisible like a ****.

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KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5027	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:37:00 - [31] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: Rant: Cloak Can be Abused! GÖª Arent you a Cloaked Shotgunner? = . = Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
DISGRUNTLEDev 365	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:38:00 - [32] - Quote Can we just remove the cloak? I really like the balance between the scouts, and a brick scout that can be seen is a very dead scout.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1902	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:38:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Not the sidearm. Leave the sidearm and take away the main. So basically kill off the Recon Scout with the Sniper Rifle, the AV Scout with the Plasma Cannon, remove the Shotgun Scout, kill the Breach MD scout as well as every other niche role that works well with the scout, while effectively make Minmatar Logis the best Scout suit? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and define scout. Buffs and Nerfs will fix all those little quibbles, people will adjust, the others could be advise to harden, it works elsewhere. Quote: Bad idea is bad. Unless it's cloaking, right? 1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
Knight Solitaire 669	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:39:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Knight Solitaire wrote: Rant: Cloak Can be Abused! GÖª Arent you a Cloaked Shotgunner? = . = I use the Cloak on some fits, I already mentioned that, but only as a dampener, I dont do that stupid 'Decloak' Pew 'Cloak' thing that most do, they're the sort of player I'm referring to. Woof! Woof! -Some dog on the street
Rusty Shallows 1494	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:40:00 - [35] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: As a non-cloaking Scout, I disapprove this thread. A couple of the Scout suits could use a small nerf to PG and CPU values. Assault suits need a buff. Cloaks are fine. Are you high? have you tried fitting 3 shields and 3 kinetics on a minmatar scouts with proto weapons and LVL 5 core skills? He wasn't talking about Minjas. I've never heard ANYONE specifically call those OP. The issues of Kin-Cat PG is another story with crossover. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5028	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:44:00 - [36] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Can we just remove the cloak? I really like the balance between the scouts, and a brick scout that can be seen is a very dead scout. You can remove cloak, if with it you remove Aim Assist. You either leave cloak or give me back speed tanking. I aint going back to the times where Brick tanked scouts where the only scouts.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5028	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:47:00 - [37] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Knight Solitaire wrote: Rant: Cloak Can be Abused! GÖª Arent you a Cloaked Shotgunner? = . = I use the Cloak on some fits, I already mentioned that, but only as a dampener, I dont do that stupid 'Decloak' Pew 'Cloak' thing that most do, they're the sort of player I'm referring to. Tanks Gal scout and uses Cloak as Dampening Modules So you are ABUSING the cloak in a way XD Cloak is FINE, just increase the DELAY it takes to shoot after decloak, REMOVE 25% dampening while cloaked. Perfect. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6606	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:47:00 - [38] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and define scout. Buffs and Nerfs will fix all those little quibbles, people will adjust, the others could be advised to harden, it works elsewhere. Atiim wrote: Bad idea is bad. Unless it's cloaking, right? Well while your attempting to nerf/remove playstyles that are already balanced, do you have an actual reason as to why Scouts should have their Light Weapon slot removed? Or is this just senseless rage and QQ? There were plenty of great ideas on how to address the cloak problem. Your idea however, is not one of them. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Eruditus 920 Bragian Order Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:47:00 - [39] - Quote Then quit. "It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it." -Robert E. Lee
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6606	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:49:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Can we just remove the cloak? I really like the balance between the scouts, and a brick scout that can be seen is a very dead scout. You can remove cloak, if with it you remove Aim Assist. You either leave cloak or give me back speed tanking. I ain't going back to the times where Brick tanked scouts where the only scouts.... Make sure you remove that snare effect that causes everyone to slow down when they're hit as well. Otherwise you wouldn't be solving anything. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Knight Solitaire 671	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:49:00 - [41] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tanks Gal scout and uses Cloak as Dampening Modules So you are ABUSING the cloak in a way XD Cloak is FINE, just increase the DELAY it takes to shoot after decloak, REMOVE 25% dampening while cloaked. Perfect. I'm a Minmatar Scout who usually speed tanks, you couldn't be more wrong. Woof! Woof! -Some dog on the street
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1312	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:50:00 - [42] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: You've always got to expect flame when proposing a 'Nerf' to the Scouts, those guys always want something but are not willing to give up anything for it. The removal of the Sidearm would've been the perfect way to introduce Scouts in this build and a perfect way for CCP to passively say "Hey, Scouts! Your suit isn't intended for Combat Purposes, so deal with it!" While I would not shed a tear if the cloak went away and died, I am sick and ******* tired of people claiming to know what a suit is "intended" for because puff its name. If we change the name from scout to light assault can I kill you in the suit with out the bitching? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Charlotte O'Dell Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2395	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:51:00 - [43] - Quote It's not the cloak that is the problem. Seriously, just use your eyes. The problem is that a GK.0 scout with 4 dampeners and a cloak is IMPOSSIBLE to detect by any fit. That is the problem. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
General John Ripper 19738	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:54:00 - [44] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: General John Ripper wrote: diff game but I do awesome with a shotgun in bf3 and I never use cloaks Well, in BF3, they have a range longer than 10 meters.. That is because you can change the bullet type.... Why can't we change our bullet type ccp??? I thought this game was supposed to be really customizable... My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 CCP petition I'll fix the game. Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 539	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:54:00 - [45] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: It's a garbage cheat for garbage cheaters. Just like tanks. Did you really have to go there , I'm surprised that Atiim didn't jump on that bandwagon too . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Outer Raven WarRavens League of Infamy 217	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:55:00 - [46] - Quote The only real things that maybe need to be implemented for the cloaks are fixes to the delay glitch with certain weapons like the shot gun; that let you fire when cloaked an then recloak before the decloaking animation kicks in. Second when fired upon while cloaked it drains the timer on the module. Other than that I don't mind the cloaked scouts. Are cloaked shot gunners a headache sure but then I just pull out my precision stacked suit or keep on the look out for their silhouette " since they are still visible". ___-öGûêGûêGêƒ________________ GûêGûêGûêGòÜGûêa»½GòáGûê Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ Gûæ GûÆ PEW ¯¯GùÑGò¥GûêGûêGùñ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
General John Ripper 19738	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:56:00 - [47] - Quote Maybe its just me or my broken ps3... But I see scouts REALLY REALLY clearly. My hdmi port is broken so I had to go to old school cables. My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 CCP petition I'll fix the game. Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 539	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:56:00 - [48] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: It's not the cloak that is the problem. Seriously, just use your eyes. The problem is that a GK.0 scout with 4 dampeners and a cloak is IMPOSSIBLE to detect by any fit. That is the problem. Just seen a great post on that and couldn't believe that , that's not balancing this game in a competitive manner . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2845	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:58:00 - [49] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Maybe its just me or my broken ps3... But I see scouts REALLY REALLY clearly. My hdmi port is broken so I had to go to old school cables. I don't know I see them pretty clearly as well, and I am using HDMI. It's not that hard to see them, i mostly run into trouble when I am facing of more than one opponent. KRRROOOOOOM
DISGRUNTLEDev 370	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:58:00 - [50] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: It's not the cloak that is the problem. Seriously, just use your eyes. The problem is that a GK.0 scout with 4 dampeners and a cloak is IMPOSSIBLE to detect by any fit. That is the problem. Just seen a great post on that and couldn't believe that , that's not balancing this game in a competitive manner . And like I said over there, its been this way for nearly a year. Nothing has changed. Except now they can use a cloak. And again. Just take the cloak.

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5030	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:59:00 - [51] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tanks Gal scout and uses Cloak as Dampening Modules So you are ABUSING the cloak in a way XD Cloak is FINE, just increase the DELAY it takes to shoot after decloak, REMOVE 25% dampening while cloaked. Perfect. I'm a Minmatar Scout who usually speed tanks, you couldn't be more wrong. Well, im talking about my experience vs you, your corp mates, today, around 1pm eastern time, FA and A.Mercenaries vs me and a bunch of noobs. Hard to forget since its the first time in months i go negative. Anyhow. You played all game as a Gal scout with cloak and SG. I forgot to send you a GG. Still; one thing is what you say, other is what you do.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5031	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:00:00 - [52] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: It's not the cloak that is the problem. Seriously, just use your eyes. The problem is that a GK.0 scout with 4 dampeners and a cloak is IMPOSSIBLE to detect by any fit. That is the problem. No. Thats not a problem.Not when you are running with -250 EHP..... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Knight Solitaire 671	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:03:00 - [53] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Knight Solitaire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tanks Gal scout and uses Cloak as Dampening Modules So you are ABUSING the cloak in a way XD Cloak is FINE, just increase the DELAY it takes to shoot after decloak, REMOVE 25% dampening while cloaked. Perfect. I'm a Minmatar Scout who usually speed tanks, you couldn't be more wrong. Well, im talking about my experience vs you, your corp mates, today, around 1pm eastern time, FA and A.Mercenaries vs me and a bunch of noobs. Hard to forget since its the first time in months i go negative. Anyhow. You played all game as a Gal scout with cloak and SG. I forgot to send you a GG. Still; one thing is what you say, other is what you do.... I can post images of my Skill Sheet showing 0 SP in any Gallente related suits if you really don't believe me. The Min Scout is the only Proto suit I have, if you cant tell the difference between the Min and Gal Scout then you seriously dont have any right to be commenting on anything to do with Scouts. Woof! Woof! -Some dog on the street
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 338	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:18:00 - [54] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: Remove them, or at least change our ** bonus, the only people that NEED that bonus and need the Cloak are the ones who use them for Shotgunning, the ones who rely on them too heavily for combat purposes, Cloaks should NOT be used for Combat, and that is how they're being used. Cloaks are a nuisance in-game, and are a pain to balance, either remove them, or make them use up more PG/CPU on our Scout suits. Using a Cloak gives the player too much of an advantage over others, it allows them to assess a situation, plan their attack, and even start an engagement before the enemy even know you're there all for a low PG/CPU cost, because balance, right? Its completely dumbed down Shotgunning, it promotes camping, and it only serves to worsen gameplay. I hate the Cloak because it can be abused and taken far outside its intended use of safe traversal of a map, and a stealthy option for people who want to play a more passive Scout rather than being Combat Focused. I also hate the Cloak because for some reason CCP thinks our bonus should rely on one piece of gear that does not suit everyone's playstyle, the Scout's bonus should have something to do with the TacNet, and later on down the road, the Cloak bonus should be applied to a Black Ops suit. I specced into the Scout suit to Scout and sabotage, not hide in a corner almost completely invisible like a . So, you want CCP to remove something because you don't like it, instead of taking the easiest and most effective way to fix this and just make them like the Crysis cloaks? Hey, CCP, I'm tired of tanks, dropships, and LAVS (I got run over by one once!) Remove them! It's so annoying that I can't just have my infantry game and that I've got to avoid these stupid vehicles. Seriously, all it would take would be a few tweaks to stop the issues, but people would probably still complain because someone would figure out how to use it well and would dominate with it. The only real difference at this point is that scouts are actually viable on more than just city maps. They don't need to tank to get across an open stretch of ground anymore, it's no longer a question of getting the right map just to have a fun game with a scout. The Gal and Cal scout already get a bonus for their tacnet, so it's not like the cloak is the only bonus. On a side note, feel the minmatar scout's pain, being regulated to Nova Knives all the time for its' biggest bonus... I kinda like the idea of a Black Ops suit though, I'll admit, but think about it. It took CCP the entire course of this game's life just to get every race their own suit. Do you really think they're going to start making specialized suits anytime soon? The commando took months, months in which it was on the list for dropsuit selection, but not available, and the same can be said for the pilot suit. And finally... you don't have to sit in a corner almost completely invisible like a **... Having a cloak doesn't mean you have to camp, in fact, it opens your suit up to even more movement options, as you can flank without having cover everywhere. Yea, you'll have a few people who take this route, but that number is very low. (Heck, I've only seen two or three people with cloaks camping around an objective. It actually seems pretty rare, which I'll have to admit, surprised me. Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
Nomed Deeps 319	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:23:00 - [55] - Quote I agree with the thread author. Speaking of scouts, from what I've read, Scouts got an extra equipment slot in 1.8 to make it easier for them to cloak. For me, that was a stupid change. In my opinion, if they want to cloak, Scout fits should use their one and only slot to do so. After all, they also are getting the class bonus for cloaking. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5031	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:26:00 - [56] - Quote Knight Solitaire wrote: I can post images of my Skill Sheet showing 0 SP in any Gallente related suits if you really don't believe me. The Min Scout is the only Proto suit I have, if you cant tell the difference between the Min and Gal Scout then you seriously dont have any right to be commenting on anything to do with Scouts. Ok then it was some other dude in that game that had the Gal scout ...I thought it was you since you were the only scout that killed me ,and the Gal scout the only one that i saw.... How does this affect the validity of my opinion again? Or is it that you are already lacking arguments.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5031	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:28:00 - [57] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: I agree with the thread author. Speaking of scouts, from what I've read, Scouts got an extra equipment slot in 1.8 to make it easier for them to cloak. For me, that was a stupid change. In my opinion, if they want to cloak, Scout fits should use their one and only slot to do so. After all, they also are getting the class bonus for cloaking. AGAIN. i COULD live with this too. But its not necessary. Nerfing scouts in any way denies the path for buffing med frames. If you Nerf Scouts in ANY way down to current Med frame level, then Med Frame Buff will be out of question.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Oswald Rehnquist 1334	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:37:00 - [58] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1956237#post1956237 This has been covered already, CCP has even pointed to the official unofficial thread, and I'll link my response. I'm all for a a force recon suit, whether that is the scout or another light frame, that is the suit I want to play. Just understand that the activities for force recon in this game are still lacking. Below 28 dB
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2845	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:40:00 - [59] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I agree with the thread author. Speaking of scouts, from what I've read, Scouts got an extra equipment slot in 1.8 to make it easier for them to cloak. For me, that was a stupid change. In my opinion, if they want to cloak, Scout fits should use their one and only slot to do so. After all, they also are getting the class bonus for cloaking. AGAIN. i COULD live with this too. But its not necessary. Nerfing scouts in any way denies the path for buffing med frames. If you Nerf Scouts in ANY way down to current Med frame level, then Med Frame Buff will be out of question.... And Heavies OP threads shall beginGÇª though I would love to see the "Commandos are OP Nerf them threads" just for the factor KRRROOOOOOM
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5034	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:56:00 - [60] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nomed Deeps wrote: I agree with the thread author. Speaking of scouts, from what I've read, Scouts got an extra equipment slot in 1.8 to make it easier for them to cloak. For me, that was a stupid change. In my opinion, if they want to cloak, Scout fits should use their one and only slot to do so. After all, they also are getting the class bonus for cloaking. AGAIN. i COULD live with this too. But its not necessary. Nerfing scouts in any way denies the path for buffing med frames. If you Nerf Scouts in ANY way down to current Med frame level, then Med Frame Buff will be out of question.... And Heavies OP threads shall beginGÇª though I would love to see the "Commandos are OP Nerf them threads" just for the factor True after scouts got nerfed, people would just move on to heavies. Plus , i kind of need my cloak to run away from them 1600EHP+ heavies with Logis XD Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread



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