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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:44:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Remove them, or at least change our **** bonus, the only people that NEED that bonus and need the Cloak are the ones who use them for Shotgunning, the ones who rely on them too heavily for combat purposes, Cloaks should NOT be used for Combat, and that is how they're being used.
Cloaks are a nuisance in-game, and are a pain to balance, either remove them, or make them use up more PG/CPU on our Scout suits.
Using a Cloak gives the player too much of an advantage over others, it allows them to assess a situation, plan their attack, and even start an engagement before the enemy even know you're there all for a low PG/CPU cost, because **** balance, right?
Its completely dumbed down Shotgunning, it promotes camping, and it only serves to worsen gameplay.
I hate the Cloak because it can be abused and taken far outside its intended use of safe traversal of a map, and a stealthy option for people who want to play a more passive Scout rather than being Combat Focused.
I also hate the Cloak because for some reason CCP thinks our bonus should rely on one piece of gear that does not suit everyone's playstyle, the Scout's bonus should have something to do with the TacNet, and later on down the road, the Cloak bonus should be applied to a Black Ops suit.
I specced into the Scout suit to Scout and sabotage, not hide in a corner almost completely invisible like a ****.
I sure hope your insurance is paid up, because you're about to get LANDED upon.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:51:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:You've always got to expect flame when proposing a 'Nerf' to the Scouts, those guys always want something but are not willing to give up anything for it.
The removal of the Sidearm would've been the perfect way to introduce Scouts in this build and a perfect way for CCP to passively say "Hey, Scouts! Your suit isn't intended for Combat Purposes, so deal with it!" Not the sidearm. Leave the sidearm and take away the main.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:If you increase the CPU/PG requirements, then Scouts would only be for veterans with loads of SP invested into core skills, causing the role to stagnate simply because no new player will be able to use the effectively.
There are better ways to approach this, but removing them is not one of them. Yeah, it is. The game played well before them, it will play well after. It's a garbage cheat for garbage cheaters.
Just like tanks.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:05:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Atiim wrote:If you increase the CPU/PG requirements, then Scouts would only be for veterans with loads of SP invested into core skills, causing the role to stagnate simply because no new player will be able to use the effectively. This. Thread here for more details.Now in regards to the Original Poster: I think a Cloak fits every play style for Scouts. If you like being the 'sabotage' guy that gets behind enemy lines and hacks everything, you can evade capture very easily. If you like being the 'assassin', cloaks fits perfectly into watching for the right time to attack like when the Sentinel + Logistics combo is engaging someone and they won't be able to react in time to stop you from killing them both. If you want to be the 'sneaky-evadey' guy, going invisible seems like a great way to do it. I think "going invisible" is a useful enough tool to fit every play style of Scout. If it were something like "be unable to move but deal +15% damage", THAT wouldn't fit every play style of the Scout. Cloaks being a pain to balance? No one knows for sure because there hasn't been any change to them yet. A simple 1 second delay between decloaking and firing would stop the instant dead shotgun guys and would make cloaks more about getting into position rather than instantly having an advantage. I truly do feel that if you are not enjoying Cloak + Scout but did enjoy Scout that you just haven't figured out the best way to make the Cloak fit how you play Scout. He ain't worried about how he would use cloak. He is deeply concerned with how others (ab)use it. Also. One whole second, huh?
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:09:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: He ain't worried about how he would use cloak. He is deeply concerned with how others (ab)use it. Also. One whole second, huh? Was mostly a suggestion. Change by degrees, scalpel. Sledgehammer nerfs make things useless. They shouldn't nerf it at all. Just remove it.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:28:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Nah I love it not only for combat purpose but to sneak behind enemy Lines and Hack every thing behind them! You have no idea how funny I find this.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Not the sidearm. Leave the sidearm and take away the main.
So basically kill off the Recon Scout with the Sniper Rifle, the AV Scout with the Plasma Cannon, remove the Shotgun Scout, kill the Breach MD scout as well as every other niche role that works well with the scout, while effectively make Minmatar Logis the best Scout suit?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and define scout. Buffs and Nerfs will fix all those little quibbles, people will adjust, the others could be advise to harden, it works elsewhere.
Unless it's cloaking, right?
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