While you are poking around this thread True.

What's more bad ass to you EVE wise :

A glorious Amarr laser gunboat, or a laser ship using drones?

I came back to EVE and noticed all the awesome drones and relevant skills they added.

Yet i can't decide on what battleship to use....they all seem so....bad ass.

I like fire power....so the gun boats.

Coercer, Maller, Apoc or Abaddon....etc.

Your very odd opinions clearly state that you have never actually used a tank. You believe that tanks are invincible vs everything else on the field... So therefore you must now validate your beliefs.

Test 1: You claim tanks are practically invincible.
Run a tank around shooting at the enemy for a bit, then sit your tank in the middle of an open field. Just sit there for about 2 minutes. Does your tank blow up? Most likely a forge gunner will have equipped gear and shot it to pieces before the timer runs out, or a bomber will have slapped remotes onto the back while you're not looking.

Test 2: You claim that infantry are ineffective vs tanks.
Meander in a closed node for a 5 minutes that is not occupied by allied forces. You are not allowed to retreat.
More than likely you will suddenly explode and all the infantry will be mysteriously out of your line of sight (except the deaf and blind ones, but they're just fodder for any kind of weapon anyway)

Test 3: You claim that tanks have superior killing power in all situations.
Follow a dropsuit inside a building. Go ahead. Just go in that door with your tank.
Then drive your tank up a staricase to shoot from the second floor.
Alright now, drive in quick circles around a crate while firing from behind a crate on one side, and then the other within 10 seconds.

Test 4: Tanks are easy to use at all times.
Make a tank, and skill into it for 2 weeks. Use ONLY tanks unless you run out of money because of negative returns.


Perform Test 1-3 at least 40 times each, Preferably while doing Test 4.


----You will get no respect from the community that has honestly played both sides of the field until you prove that you have committed yourself to playing both sides of the field. ----

I run tanks about 20% of the time, explosives another 20% and I do frontline sniping the other 60% (That means I'm on the field not in a redzone unless I get pushed back by team positioning.)


Infantry can use almost the whole environment as a defensive option, and tanks are limited to only large buildings to hide behind. Infantry can escape from tank fire at all times if they are aware, because the tank announces it's position 24/7 when in operation.
Tanks cannot predict infantry AV fire until after they have been hit.

because people are self serving that is why. no one wants to be killed so everyone does everything to avoid it. Tankers dont care about balance, never have never will.

I don't quite know what to say to that.

I mean, if you are saying you add turrets to your HAV so you can easily stack assist WP for people who dont even have to attack the same target to recieve those WP, while at the same time being able to increase your DPS due to your main turret being able to kill everything in the game on its own, and your small turrets being able to kill the majority of targets in the game at the same time....

I suppose that's fair.

Edit - Couldn't help to prolong my sleep deprivation to comment. Jesus True...many people claim you make logical posts. I suppose it's subjective to your favorite hobby.

I'm not trying to compare them they are completely different from one another.

because people are self serving that is why. no one wants to be killed so everyone does everything to avoid it. Tankers dont care about balance, never have never will.

You sound like you've never used a tank in this game other than maybe a redline rail. Maybe make a second account with tanks and see just how hard it is, most of us vehicle specialists are also invested in one infantry role too just so were not completely useless when we can't bring out a tank or dropship.

If you've ever tried to solo tank with no squad to support you, you'd know that it's insanwly difficult and almost impossible to do and be profitable.

So you aren't even comparing?

What are you trying to say then.

HAV's are balanced?

Infantry is balanced?

HAV's vs infantry is balanced?

You just spouted a load of bullshit.

act like im a child and try to explain to me how you think AV / HAV's are currently balanced.

It's a FRACKING TANK!!!! It's SUPPOSED to be faster and stronger, with better repping and firepower.

Man up, QQ Less, HTFU, whatever your choice of terms are. It's a tank. A TANK!

This is what really bugs me. People really think this is a valid game balance argument.

No, I think True is saying that he makes his tanks designed for team-play, which I think is a rarity and admirable.

I also think that everyone could agree that small vehicle turrets are and should be powerful against infantry because that is what they are designed for. They are also less efficient versus vehicles.

See this is probably the largest problem I have, well other than no amarrian vehicles and standard swarms being crap. Tanks (specifically blaster tanks) get the luxury of weapons that are 100% efficient versus ALL things. Infantry have to decide if they want anti-infantry capabilities or anti vehicle capabilities.

Infantry are immune to nothing (save for swarms), tanks are immune to many things.

To me that is an imbalance. I just think that large turrets should be ~20% efficient versus ground troops. It is easily justifiable and explainable, and it would stop the vehicle QQ in an instant.

It's a FRACKING TANK!!!! It's SUPPOSED to be faster and stronger, with better repping and firepower.

Man up, QQ Less, HTFU, whatever your choice of terms are. It's a tank. A TANK!

The real problem is blasters AND railguns are easy to take out infantry. It's pointless to say otherwise, for anyone can hop in a MLT sica and go positive in a game. It would honestly be fine if blasters were the only infantry weakness. But the fact that a railgun can EASILY take out infantry, a blaster can take out both infantry and vehicles easily with little skill and preperation, and while missiles aren't exactly ideal for infantry deaths...they can still kill infantry MUCH easier then any other weapon designed for AV/AP purposes.

**** is ridiculous.