Teamwork kills everything possible in this fuckin game. The issue is : Why should one playstyle require teamwork when the other doesn't?

That's the entire problem. One option can kill everything in the damn game, while the direct counter is only that, a direct counter. And this direct counter isn't even efficient at countering the entire purpose of their play style.

Currently there are two roles in the game. Vehicle suppression and infantry suppression. Acting like hacking objectives isn't the role of a tanker is obscenely ridiculous. An infantry that decides to hack a point has just as much possiblity to fail as someone who leaves their HAV to hack the same objective. It's your own choice whether or not to decide which is more important, ISK through kills, or capping objectives for the win.

Now you may claim "but that infantry guy has skillpoints put into being adept at killing infantry, so he is better able to hack objectives.".... Wrong.

You decided to skill into vehicles who's sole purpose is to kill other infantry and vehicles. You already know there is no other role in the game beyond that. You know this. It's impossible to not know this, because the only thing you can do in this game is kill others, and hack objectives. You are choosing to play as a killer. Just like infantry choose to skill into either killing infantry, or killing vehicles (and we all know how ******* balanced AV currently is, which again, leads to the disparity of roles). You can choose to be adept at killing infantry, just as infantry can choose to become adept at running an HAV.

An HAV is able to kill everything the game. That is a fact. They are literally able to kill every possible thing in the game, with every single type of turret with relative efficiency compared to the other weapons in the game (i must admit that the missile turrets are in a decent place with infantry concerns. A 0.3 - 0.5 reduction in splash range would, IMO, completely balance missile turrets with the rest of the game however), also with more ease then any other weapon in the game. Stating otherwise is a lie. You know exactly how easy it is to dominate with a vehicle. Because you dominate, and complain that dying lost you 500k isk. For shame that you actually die in a game designed around everyone dying for eternity.

Infantry simply don't have this luxury. In order to excel in one area, they gimp themselves in another. HAV's aren't given this ultimatum. Anything they choose can kill infantry as easily as vehicles. They aren't only the jack of all trades, they are jack that has mastered all trades, and only for 200k-300k more then their direct counterpart. If i remember correctly, the community frowned upon a specific playstyle that could not only counter all other playstyles, but excel at them all (Cal Logi). They frowned upon a weapon that was able to destroy infantry pretty easily, as well as vehicles (Forge gun).

Why should HAV's get special treatment?

I don't quite know what to say to that.

I mean, if you are saying you add turrets to your HAV so you can easily stack assist WP for people who dont even have to attack the same target to recieve those WP, while at the same time being able to increase your DPS due to your main turret being able to kill everything in the game on its own, and your small turrets being able to kill the majority of targets in the game at the same time....

I suppose that's fair.

Edit - Couldn't help to prolong my sleep deprivation to comment. Jesus True...many people claim you make logical posts. I suppose it's subjective to your favorite hobby.

You are struggling to understand my argument?

Let me put it in layman's terms : You are a much stronger asset on the field then any infantry could hope to achieve. You are able to counter everything by simply existing, yet are immune to most weapons by simply existing. The only weapons in the game are either **** poor against you unless they are attacking mutliple amounts (infantry) or solo'd by a single enemy HAV (rail tanks, or even high SP totting blasters).

We all know you are aware of the disparity. Stop trying to act like an HAV isn't the best asset on the field, period, regardless of circumstance.

Why in god's name do you even comment?

You just said that HAV's are only good on some maps, then said all type of suits are killers...which is true, which includes yours (your "suit" is obviously an HAV shell).

then claim my view isn't from a tanker? are you serious? i'm using MLT tanks. The lowest possible form of tanks you can use. Unless you are claiming that putting SP into tanks makes absolutely no difference between MLT hull / MLT mods opposed to an HAV that has all proto mods...you have no leg to stand on.

Are you seriously acting like you can compare a dropsuit and an HAV on equal terms in the current iteration?

Sorry that you are unwilling to listen but yes tanks are far better at supporting than killing. Tanks clear large areas for infantry to move in the also destroy installations transport and supply chains of the enemy team. Tanks are designed to breach strongholds they also have an effect on the mentality of the enemy infantry which can be used as a tactical advantage for the allied team.

I'm going to answer your stupid question with the same stupid question.

How does infantry clear areas?

Loving the show guys keep it up.

*munches popcorn and hands True and Collins a can well deserved beer.

While you are poking around this thread True.

What's more bad ass to you EVE wise :

A glorious Amarr laser gunboat, or a laser ship using drones?

I came back to EVE and noticed all the awesome drones and relevant skills they added.

Yet i can't decide on what battleship to use....they all seem so....bad ass.

This is what really bugs me. People really think this is a valid game balance argument.

False, the railgun does not "easily" take out infantry. I consider myself decent at the art of killing infantry with my railgun, but in all honesty, it can be nearly impossible to shoot a target that just slightly moves from side to side, with a little jumping in between.

Most of my kills come from people who either stop moving as I'm lining them up, or people that simply sit in one place. Yeah stand there like a dumbass and get shot, no sympathy from me.

It is VERY rare for me to go 20+ and 0 in a match with rails. The average number is between 5 and 7 a match. Excluding tank kills.

I see your alliance takes just about any guy with a IQ below 80. Tanks are not a race and its entirely possible for any group of like minded individuals to be self serving. And apparently really really dumb in your case.