DUST Search - AV vs HAV. My technically repeated opinion.

Duran Lex wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

Duran Lex wrote:

I'm not gonna lie, i only read the second paragraph.

If you weren't designed to be able to kill both infantry and vehicles with ultimate ease, why is it you can kill both vehicles and infantry with ultimate ease? You can counter everytthing int he ******* game, and you do.

Pray ******* tell me a circumstance that an HAV would fail against an infantry in terms of killing others (you already claim you have zero ability to hack an objective, so thats moot point). Tell me a situation where an infantry person can earn more kills than an HAV.

Your very odd opinions clearly state that you have never actually used a tank. You believe that tanks are invincible vs everything else on the field... So therefore you must now validate your beliefs.

Test 1: You claim tanks are practically invincible.
Run a tank around shooting at the enemy for a bit, then sit your tank in the middle of an open field. Just sit there for about 2 minutes. Does your tank blow up? Most likely a forge gunner will have equipped gear and shot it to pieces before the timer runs out, or a bomber will have slapped remotes onto the back while you're not looking.

Test 2: You claim that infantry are ineffective vs tanks.
Meander in a closed node for a 5 minutes that is not occupied by allied forces. You are not allowed to retreat.
More than likely you will suddenly explode and all the infantry will be mysteriously out of your line of sight (except the deaf and blind ones, but they're just fodder for any kind of weapon anyway)

Test 3: You claim that tanks have superior killing power in all situations.
Follow a dropsuit inside a building. Go ahead. Just go in that door with your tank.
Then drive your tank up a staricase to shoot from the second floor.
Alright now, drive in quick circles around a crate while firing from behind a crate on one side, and then the other within 10 seconds.

Test 4: Tanks are easy to use at all times.
Make a tank, and skill into it for 2 weeks. Use ONLY tanks unless you run out of money because of negative returns.

Perform Test 1-3 at least 40 times each, Preferably while doing Test 4.

----You will get no respect from the community that has honestly played both sides of the field until you prove that you have committed yourself to playing both sides of the field. ----

I run tanks about 20% of the time, explosives another 20% and I do frontline sniping the other 60% (That means I'm on the field not in a redzone unless I get pushed back by team positioning.)

Infantry can use almost the whole environment as a defensive option, and tanks are limited to only large buildings to hide behind. Infantry can escape from tank fire at all times if they are aware, because the tank announces it's position 24/7 when in operation.
Tanks cannot predict infantry AV fire until after they have been hit.

1 - I claimed no such thing. Please link me to any post where I've said such. I've only said there is an imbalance between vehicles and infantry AV.

2 - I did not claim infantry are ineffective against HAV's. I claimed they are inferior to other HAV's period. Whats the point in skilling into a play style that cannot perform its playstyle with as much efficiency as its brother? (HAV AV).

3 - I claimed HAV's have the super killing power in most situations. their only downfall is they can't enter cities. Until cities are the majority of the maps played, i consider that an advantage to the HAV's.

4 - I've already stated i have around 100 free Sicas. I've made nothing but profit from a week of using them as a primary AV, since it's FAR better then my ishukone FG with prof 5. It was easy. I could kill infantry and vehicles without even trying. I can only imagine what i can do with an HAV that has skills put towards increasing it's effectiveness.

Performing your tests due to your ignorance does nothing for me.

Your last paragraph is laughable.


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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 712	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:45:00 - [1] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: I'm not gonna lie, i only read the second paragraph. If you weren't designed to be able to kill both infantry and vehicles with ultimate ease, why is it you can kill both vehicles and infantry with ultimate ease? You can counter everytthing int he ***** game, and you do. Pray *** tell me a circumstance that an HAV would fail against an infantry in terms of killing others (you already claim you have zero ability to hack an objective, so thats moot point). Tell me a situation where an infantry person can earn more kills than an HAV. Your very odd opinions clearly state that you have never actually used a tank. You believe that tanks are invincible vs everything else on the field... So therefore you must now validate your beliefs. Test 1: You claim tanks are practically invincible. Run a tank around shooting at the enemy for a bit, then sit your tank in the middle of an open field. Just sit there for about 2 minutes. Does your tank blow up? Most likely a forge gunner will have equipped gear and shot it to pieces before the timer runs out, or a bomber will have slapped remotes onto the back while you're not looking. Test 2: You claim that infantry are ineffective vs tanks. Meander in a closed node for a 5 minutes that is not occupied by allied forces. You are not allowed to retreat. More than likely you will suddenly explode and all the infantry will be mysteriously out of your line of sight (except the deaf and blind ones, but they're just fodder for any kind of weapon anyway) Test 3: You claim that tanks have superior killing power in all situations. Follow a dropsuit inside a building. Go ahead. Just go in that door with your tank. Then drive your tank up a staricase to shoot from the second floor. Alright now, drive in quick circles around a crate while firing from behind a crate on one side, and then the other within 10 seconds. Test 4: Tanks are easy to use at all times. Make a tank, and skill into it for 2 weeks. Use ONLY tanks unless you run out of money because of negative returns. Perform Test 1-3 at least 40 times each, Preferably while doing Test 4. ----You will get no respect from the community that has honestly played both sides of the field until you prove that you have committed yourself to playing both sides of the field. ----** I run tanks about 20% of the time, explosives another 20% and I do frontline sniping the other 60% (That means I'm on the field not in a redzone unless I get pushed back by team positioning.) Infantry can use almost the whole environment as a defensive option, and tanks are limited to only large buildings to hide behind. Infantry can escape from tank fire at all times if they are aware, because the tank announces it's position 24/7 when in operation. Tanks cannot predict infantry AV fire until after they have been hit. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 712	Posted - 2014.04.09 08:13:00 - [2] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Duran Lex wrote: I'm not gonna lie, i only read the second paragraph. If you weren't designed to be able to kill both infantry and vehicles with ultimate ease, why is it you can kill both vehicles and infantry with ultimate ease? You can counter everytthing int he ***** game, and you do. Pray *** tell me a circumstance that an HAV would fail against an infantry in terms of killing others (you already claim you have zero ability to hack an objective, so thats moot point). Tell me a situation where an infantry person can earn more kills than an HAV. Your very odd opinions clearly state that you have never actually used a tank. You believe that tanks are invincible vs everything else on the field... So therefore you must now validate your beliefs. Test 1: You claim tanks are practically invincible. Run a tank around shooting at the enemy for a bit, then sit your tank in the middle of an open field. Just sit there for about 2 minutes. Does your tank blow up? Most likely a forge gunner will have equipped gear and shot it to pieces before the timer runs out, or a bomber will have slapped remotes onto the back while you're not looking. Test 2: You claim that infantry are ineffective vs tanks. Meander in a closed node for a 5 minutes that is not occupied by allied forces. You are not allowed to retreat. More than likely you will suddenly explode and all the infantry will be mysteriously out of your line of sight (except the deaf and blind ones, but they're just fodder for any kind of weapon anyway) Test 3: You claim that tanks have superior killing power in all situations. Follow a dropsuit inside a building. Go ahead. Just go in that door with your tank. Then drive your tank up a staricase to shoot from the second floor. Alright now, drive in quick circles around a crate while firing from behind a crate on one side, and then the other within 10 seconds. Test 4: Tanks are easy to use at all times. Make a tank, and skill into it for 2 weeks. Use ONLY tanks unless you run out of money because of negative returns. Perform Test 1-3 at least 40 times each, Preferably while doing Test 4. ----You will get no respect from the community that has honestly played both sides of the field until you prove that you have committed yourself to playing both sides of the field. ---- I run tanks about 20% of the time, explosives another 20% and I do frontline sniping the other 60% (That means I'm on the field not in a redzone unless I get pushed back by team positioning.) Infantry can use almost the whole environment as a defensive option, and tanks are limited to only large buildings to hide behind. Infantry can escape from tank fire at all times if they are aware, because the tank announces it's position 24/7 when in operation. Tanks cannot predict infantry AV fire until after they have been hit. 1 - I claimed no such thing. Please link me to any post where I've said such. I've only said there is an imbalance between vehicles and infantry AV. 2 - I did not claim infantry are ineffective against HAV's. I claimed they are inferior to other HAV's period. Whats the point in skilling into a play style that cannot perform its playstyle with as much efficiency as its brother? (HAV AV). 3 - I claimed HAV's have the super killing power in most situations. their only downfall is they can't enter cities. Until cities are the majority of the maps played, i consider that an advantage to the HAV's. 4 - I've already stated i have around 100 free Sicas. I've made nothing but profit from a week of using them as a primary AV, since it's FAR better then my ishukone FG with prof 5. It was easy. I could kill infantry and vehicles without even trying. I can only imagine what i can do with an HAV that has skills put towards increasing it's effectiveness. Performing your tests due to your ignorance does nothing for me. Your last paragraph is laughable. 1. Yes you did. " You can counter everytthing int he ***** game, and you do." ---The only way you can be a "counter" to everything by the terminology you're laying out is to not be affected by everything. Then again the way you use "counter" is incredibly vague and non-specific, which could also include a heavy sitting still while a scout uses a scrambler pistol to the head repetitively until the suit dies. Your claim seems to edge around is that if it is able to kill a target it is suddenly a counter. By this logic, my assault rifle must be a counter to every suit and handheld weapon in the game, and my Plasma Cannon must be a counter to everything. 2-3. I've regularly seen infantry players garner 20-30 kills, while the tanks get around 12. City installations are also the core of the map, combat is quite a big deal in there. 4. You did not bring the tanks into the center of any battles, you only picked extremely safe fringe engagements, and refused to engage where it might count (inside city nodes for example). ALSO, it proves that you used regular dropsuits more than half of the time. In other words, you claim you went tanks, but actually did not. Your ISK positive claim, highlights this incredibly clearly. You can engage with any kind of suit in this same skittish manner, and then make a claim that the suit is excessively powerful at killing because you didn't enter any high-risk areas. Also You called Sicas "free" which kind of makes me question if you've ever bought one, which in turn makes it questionable as to whether you have actually DRIVEN one. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming