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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:24:00 - [1] - Quote The GentlemanGÇÖs Weapon, a comprehensive guide to the Laser Rifle. (in progress) Foreword : First off, the GÇ£properGÇ¥ spelling is laz0r, so we will be using that terminology from here on out. Second, I am not the best LR user out there, so any additional feedback from the real experts like lowratehitman, green living, mortedeamor etc.,, are welcome. I also must acknowledge Musta Tornius and his team for their exhaustive work on testing the LR. A few unanswered questions remain post-1.8 but they have done a very impressive job so far. The LR is easily one of the most unique weapons in Dust; fun to use, hard to master and very skill intensive in many ways. Ever since I saw it called GÇ£the gentlemans weaponGÇ¥ by Redbleach Lesangiant, IGÇÖve also always had this image in my mind that it was the preferred weapon of an aristocratic gentleman officer of the Empire. As itGÇÖs such a beautiful weapon {link??} ItGÇÖs hard to argue otherwise. Despite being nerfed several times, It has a fanatical (no pun intended) or cult following in Dust that no other weapon can match. Why is it so revered? While the challenge and fun of using it are great, what really drives people to master the weapon is its awesome potential. No other light weapon can match the LRGÇÖs raw power and ability to quickly kill multiple enemies. To wit: Musta Tornius wrote: We do know there is no damage cap on the laser. At least not one that is achievable. It was the unquestioned king of the battlefield for significant portions of beta. There was a persistent conditioned response in many beta veterans to run like hell the second they heard that unmistakable deep hum and saw the beam flash by. I know I always hear Graham Chapman yelling GÇ£Run away! Run away!GÇ¥ {link} in my head when someone is mowing down people with the LR. Introduction: Why doesnGÇÖt everyone use it if itGÇÖs so amazing? What keeps laz0rs in check (besides that spawn of Satan himself, the Rail rifle... though it seems to have fallen out of favor) is the degree of difficulty involved in actually applying the full damage output effectively. This is no scrubs best friend, spray and pray weapon we are using here. If you donGÇÖt know how to use the LR you will get killed (or kill yourself!) early and often. As I mentioned before, Musta Tornius and Team Fairy DUST have done a far better job of testing and outlining the detailed mechanics of the weapon than I ever could. You can read it HERE {link}. My goal is not to be excessively technical and focus more on the practical aspects of actually using the LR. We will go over how to correctly fire the weapon, proper positioning, and finally touch on suit fittings at the end, where some of the more technical stuff will also be discussed. There are two things every LR user needs to know/master to be effective: Preheating and Positioning. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:24:00 - [2] - Quote reserved. Don't reply yet you scoundrels! I ran out of room with my last guide! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:25:00 - [3] - Quote reserved "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:26:00 - [4] - Quote reserved "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:27:00 - [5] - Quote reserved!! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:28:00 - [6] - Quote reserved... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2575	Posted - 2014.04.04 13:29:00 - [7] - Quote this should about do it "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Jax GG the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2014.04.04 17:27:00 - [8] - Quote Used to love the LR in the earlier versions of the game and have returned and ploughed all my SP Into other weapons now.......... Wasn't missing it until I read this! Regards
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1256	Posted - 2014.04.05 13:22:00 - [9] - Quote That's a pretty comprehensive guide for a single weapon, well done OP, have some likes! DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2588	Posted - 2014.04.05 15:15:00 - [10] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: That's a pretty comprehensive guide for a single weapon, well done OP, have some likes! Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black in the best way possible, Musta! You made my job immeasurably easier! o7 (Don't worry, I'll fix the links to your thread later today. Got sidetracked, kinda forgot that one crucial part, lol.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 879	Posted - 2014.04.05 15:34:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think that a gentleman will use that "7331-speak". I remember using a laser on my logi-fit in chromo (no not the viziam) for open maps (might try that again)...it's doable if your teammates know what they are doing. It won't be as easy as the other rifles but to not use a LR on any other logi suit is a bit exagerated.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2588	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:14:00 - [12] - Quote RKKR wrote: I remember using a laser on my logi-fit in chromo (no not the viziam) for open maps (might try that again)...it's doable if your teammates know what they are doing. It won't be as easy as the other rifles but to not use a LR on any other logi suit is a bit exagerated. Fair enough, though I wouldn't exactly call you the "target audience" of the thread, lol. John Demonsbane wrote: While there are exceptions to every rule, I agree with RedBleach LeSangiant's advice: Do not use the LR on any other logi suit, the lack of a sidearm will be crippling. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 883	Posted - 2014.04.05 19:04:00 - [13] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: RKKR wrote: I remember using a laser on my logi-fit in chromo (no not the viziam) for open maps (might try that again)...it's doable if your teammates know what they are doing. It won't be as easy as the other rifles but to not use a LR on any other logi suit is a bit exagerated. Fair enough, though I wouldn't exactly call you the "target audience" of the thread, lol. John Demonsbane wrote: While there are exceptions to every rule, I agree with RedBleach LeSangiant's advice: Do not use the LR on any other logi suit, the lack of a sidearm will be crippling. Just did a field-test, it's quite nice to protect an area where the enemy has to run into the open. I even did OK in some CQC situations by preheating or grill some scouts. Not even a squad to back me up, I think the 1.8 changes make this a valuable asset for logis, maybe not to start out with, but a valuable option. The exception to the rule? Maybe if it was pre-1.8.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 474	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:53:00 - [14] - Quote It's weird, the Laser Rifle has this style of popping out of cover and back in while fighting at a long range that works extremely well with Caldari suits, but only has a bonus on Amarr suits which would rather favor a stare-down-your-face approach to a fight. Personally I think the LR's damage amplification should work off it's heat level. Until then I will continue to use it on Caldari suits. At 80-100 meters nothing can hurt you enough to strip off the shields and by the time the LR has cooled down you're already regenerating health. I'll just cover my eyes in the fitting screen. The baby-blue and holy-gold on the same suit just doesn't make any sense at all.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2596	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:43:00 - [15] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: It's weird, the Laser Rifle has this style of popping out of cover and back in while fighting at a long range that works extremely well with Caldari suits, but only has a bonus on Amarr suits which would rather favor a stare-down-your-face approach to a fight. Personally I think the LR's damage amplification should work off it's heat level. Until then I will continue to use it on Caldari suits. At 80-100 meters nothing can hurt you enough to strip off the shields and by the time the LR has cooled down you're already regenerating health. I'll just cover my eyes in the fitting screen. The baby-blue and holy-gold on the same suit just doesn't make any sense at all. We Amarr are all about holy light and constant application of unrelenting force. Personally, I love the mechanic, it makes it unique. Burst firing at maximum heat is kinda dull. This way you have to work for it. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 475	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:52:00 - [16] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: We Amarr are all about holy light and constant application of unrelenting force. Personally, I love the mechanic, it makes it unique. Burst firing at maximum heat is kinda dull. This way you have to work for it. The problem is that the holy light of justice seems to be low on battery. Every couple of seconds you have to get back into cover and wait for the almighty power of the divine to catch its breath. I think it'd be more appropriate to see our zealous templars charge the enemy in the open field with bright fervour glowing from their eyes and (the cooling partition of) their weapons.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2597	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: We Amarr are all about holy light and constant application of unrelenting force. Personally, I love the mechanic, it makes it unique. Burst firing at maximum heat is kinda dull. This way you have to work for it. The problem is that the holy light of justice seems to be low on battery. Every couple of seconds you have to get back into cover and wait for the almighty power of the divine to catch its breath. I think it'd be more appropriate to see our zealous templars charge the enemy in the open field with bright fervour glowing from their eyes and (the cooling partition of) their weapons. Perhaps I can interest you in a scrambler rifle? Turning a corner and OHK a medium frame with a charged shot sounds like what you are looking for. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 476	Posted - 2014.04.05 23:39:00 - [18] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Perhaps I can interest you in a scrambler rifle? Turning a corner and OHK a medium frame with a charged shot sounds like what you are looking for. An Amarr Assault A/1 with a CRW-04 was my go-to fitting for the heavy lifting ever since it the combo was available, but thanks for the offer anyways.
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.06 09:33:00 - [19] - Quote This guide was very very helpful. You have my thanks. Going to slap the LR on my Amarr Commando suit with ScR now. Cheers!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2675	Posted - 2014.04.19 20:51:00 - [20] - Quote Still having trouble with the Amarr assault bonus. I should not be overheating so easily... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2959	Posted - 2014.05.01 13:40:00 - [21] - Quote MInor edits made. More importantly the Amarr assault bonus is up and running! It is a beautiful beautiful thing. I've literally done nothing but run LR in ambush for the 2 weeks since they fixed it. o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2959	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:07:00 - [22] - Quote Thanks for reading the guide. Like my characters, it has been archived on a sleeper ship and will be reactivated if we ever reach the PS4. o7 o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2044	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:28:00 - [23] - Quote Quick info bump, Mr. Demonsbane may be in stasis for the time being but his work is valuable regardless. Cheers, Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3539	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:21:00 - [24] - Quote Brought it back. This may or may not have anything to do with my ongoing campaign to get Rattati to make an officer LR and name it the "Demonsbane's" BTH-71 Laser Rifle (I would also settle for a AUR variant to be named that) (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10968	Posted - 2014.06.22 03:19:00 - [25] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Brought it back. This may or may not have anything to do with my ongoing campaign to get Rattati to make an officer LR and name it the "Demonsbane's" BTH-71 Laser Rifle (I would also settle for a AUR variant to be named that) Why not a Yassavi Family AER-0 Laser Rifle or a "Adamance" TRU-3 Laser Rifle " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3542	Posted - 2014.06.22 11:51:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Brought it back. This may or may not have anything to do with my ongoing campaign to get Rattati to make an officer LR and name it the "Demonsbane's" BTH-71 Laser Rifle (I would also settle for a AUR variant to be named that) Why not a Yassavi Family AER-0 Laser Rifle or a "Adamance" TRU-3 Laser Rifle Because this is my thread. But.. I am a generous OP, I will allow you to submit those as consideration for aurum variant names in the event the Demonsbane's officer variant becomes reality. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10998	Posted - 2014.06.22 20:55:00 - [27] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Brought it back. This may or may not have anything to do with my ongoing campaign to get Rattati to make an officer LR and name it the "Demonsbane's" BTH-71 Laser Rifle (I would also settle for a AUR variant to be named that) Why not a Yassavi Family AER-0 Laser Rifle or a "Adamance" TRU-3 Laser Rifle Because this is my thread. But.. I am a generous OP, I will allow you to submit those as consideration for aurum variant names in the event the Demonsbane's officer variant becomes reality. Don't worry John in the spirit of friendly rivalry I will ensure Aero gets a Laser Variant first! " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
sir RAVEN WING Death Dea1ers 3	Posted - 2014.06.22 21:15:00 - [28] - Quote Finally I can use that laz0r rifle I bought. Miss the old beta version though, all I used when it was added in, now I just have them sitting around (I always buy them) Also would like to see a 'Devil's Spawn' Rail Rifle ((I need to stop now) (damn it) Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3546	Posted - 2014.06.22 21:48:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Brought it back. This may or may not have anything to do with my ongoing campaign to get Rattati to make an officer LR and name it the "Demonsbane's" BTH-71 Laser Rifle (I would also settle for a AUR variant to be named that) Why not a Yassavi Family AER-0 Laser Rifle or a "Adamance" TRU-3 Laser Rifle Because this is my thread. But.. I am a generous OP, I will allow you to submit those as consideration for aurum variant names in the event the Demonsbane's officer variant becomes reality. Don't worry John in the spirit of friendly rivalry I will ensure Aero gets a Laser Variant first! It's on like donkey kong (The godfather of tactical logistics)
sir RAVEN WING Death Dea1ers 3	Posted - 2014.06.23 00:33:00 - [30] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Brought it back. This may or may not have anything to do with my ongoing campaign to get Rattati to make an officer LR and name it the "Demonsbane's" BTH-71 Laser Rifle (I would also settle for a AUR variant to be named that) Why not a Yassavi Family AER-0 Laser Rifle or a "Adamance" TRU-3 Laser Rifle Because this is my thread. But.. I am a generous OP, I will allow you to submit those as consideration for aurum variant names in the event the Demonsbane's officer variant becomes reality. Don't worry John in the spirit of friendly rivalry I will ensure Aero gets a Laser Variant first! It's on like donkey kong Don't' crush me with your barrels! Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3560	Posted - 2014.06.26 16:01:00 - [31] - Quote Oh well, the dream is over. No way I'm going to be beating the list of l33t Templar that are going for the naming rights of the officer LR. Maybe an AUR variant, Rattati? Plz? (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2483	Posted - 2014.06.27 23:00:00 - [32] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Oh well, the dream is over. No way I'm going to be beating the list of l33t Templar that are going for the naming rights of the officer LR. Maybe an AUR variant, Rattati? Plz? I feel the same, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to try anyway Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3579	Posted - 2014.06.27 23:10:00 - [33] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Oh well, the dream is over. No way I'm going to be beating the list of l33t Templar that are going for the naming rights of the officer LR. Maybe an AUR variant, Rattati? Plz? I feel the same, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to try anyway Don't worry about that, should you find yourself playing between the hours of 11pm-1am eastern US time you might just get your face melted by yours truly. But, being realistic here, purely in terms of the hours in the day I could possibly play I have no chance even if I were Alldin Kan or Regnyum. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2484	Posted - 2014.06.27 23:17:00 - [34] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Cross Atu wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Oh well, the dream is over. No way I'm going to be beating the list of l33t Templar that are going for the naming rights of the officer LR. Maybe an AUR variant, Rattati? Plz? I feel the same, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to try anyway Don't worry about that, should you find yourself playing between the hours of 11pm-1am eastern US time you might just get your face melted by yours truly. But, being realistic here, purely in terms of the hours in the day I could possibly play I have no chance even if I were Alldin Kan or Regnyum. Hope to see you on the field, on either side , and yeah being realistic I'm not likely to get this done either for similar reasons. Even so I can have fun giving it a shot Good hunting o7 Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3634	Posted - 2014.07.08 03:33:00 - [35] - Quote Been playing sparingly, mostly in Amarr FW. A lot of newer up and coming corps seem to have gotten into it, we are q-syncing like it's going out of style and steamrolling the matari like back in the day. A nice change! (and..... bump) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3830	Posted - 2014.07.29 00:17:00 - [36] - Quote Congratulations to Viktor for burning thousands of heretics on his way to winning the crown as the best LR user. Choose your name wisely, Viktor, and o7. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:57:00 - [37] - Quote Isn't it better to run a normal nanohive on the amarr assault over the ones solely focused on healing hp? I usually run out of ammo when I am doing well. I have always wanted to use the nanohives which restore both armor and ammo but I see on protofits that it takes a lot of resources compared to the other variants. Do you think it would be a good idea to use such nanohive on an amarr assault suit?
Zindorak 1.U.P 765	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:25:00 - [38] - Quote That overheat damage needs to be nerfed as well as fitting costs Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3953	Posted - 2014.09.01 22:57:00 - [39] - Quote 2k2y wrote: Isn't it better to run a normal nanohive on the amarr assault over the ones solely focused on healing hp? I usually run out of ammo when I am doing good. I have always wanted to use the [advanced or prototype variants of the] nanohives which restore both armor and ammo but I see on protofits that it takes a lot of resources compared to the other variants. I have yet to level up the nanocircuitry skill to 5 but I will do so when I am able to. Do you think it would be a good idea to use such nanohives[like compact nanohives] on an amarr assault suit over the ones solely meant for ammo? Edit:I was mistaken, the compact nanohive restores armor and ammo. Though I might start using it more, I still think the highier tiered nanohives of the same type are much better overall as they have more nanites. Correct. I use dual ammo/armor hives on my Amarr assault suits. Unlike the ScR, for example, which is very efficient with ammo, the LR obviously is not considering you waste about 20% of it preheating (or more). (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:25:00 - [40] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 2k2y wrote: Isn't it better to run a normal nanohive on the amarr assault over the ones solely focused on healing hp? I usually run out of ammo when I am doing good. I have always wanted to use the [advanced or prototype variants of the] nanohives which restore both armor and ammo but I see on protofits that it takes a lot of resources compared to the other variants. I have yet to level up the nanocircuitry skill to 5 but I will do so when I am able to. Do you think it would be a good idea to use such nanohives[like compact nanohives] on an amarr assault suit over the ones solely meant for ammo? Edit:I was mistaken, the compact nanohive restores armor and ammo. Though I might start using it more, I still think the highier tiered nanohives of the same type are much better overall as they have more nanites. Correct. I use dual ammo/armor hives on my Amarr assault suits. Unlike the ScR, for example, which is very efficient with ammo, the LR obviously is not considering you waste about 20% of it preheating (or more). Yes, the laser rifle does us up a lot of ammo. Could you give me an example good standard and advanced fits for the amarr assault. I think the fits mentioned in your guide are outdated since the assault suits layouts were changed. I have not yet leveled up the laser rifle up past operation 2 because I am focusing on my core skills because they are not good enough. I want to know what to look forward to when I have leveled up my skills high enough. I use: Quote: Complex light damage modifier 'Templar' laser rifle Breach submachine gun/magsec smg/assault scrambler pistol Locus grenade Compact nanohive Enhanced ferroscale plates Enhanced armor repairer Basic armor repairer The way I see it is if I level up my CPU more I could replace the basic armor repairer with an enhanced armor repairer

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3966	Posted - 2014.09.04 02:35:00 - [41] - Quote Updated with revised STD and ADV Amarr assault fits! (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.09.04 09:53:00 - [42] - Quote I just wanted to mention a quick correction. You wrote "Assault A/1" instead of "Assault A/1-Series" as the name of the advanced amarr assault fit.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3966	Posted - 2014.09.04 11:33:00 - [43] - Quote 2k2y wrote: I just wanted to mention a quick correction. You wrote "Assault A/1" instead of "Assault A/1-Series" as the name of the advanced amarr assault fit. That's the name of it in my fittings list. Also, very picky. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.09.04 11:39:00 - [44] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 2k2y wrote: I just wanted to mention a quick correction. You wrote "Assault A/1" instead of "Assault A/1-Series" as the name of the advanced amarr assault fit. That's the name of it in my fittings list. Also, very picky. Oh, I see. I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3966	Posted - 2014.09.04 11:41:00 - [45] - Quote I am much harder to offend than that, lol. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.09.04 11:45:00 - [46] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I am much harder to offend than that, lol. Okay so the preferred sidearm to use with the laer rifle is the submachine gun? I have been using the magsec smg lately and I am really liking it even more so than the smg. Have you tried it?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3968	Posted - 2014.09.04 21:23:00 - [47] - Quote 2k2y wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I am much harder to offend than that, lol. Okay so the preferred sidearm to use with the laer rifle is the submachine gun? I have been using the magsec smg lately and I am really liking it even more so than the smg. Have you tried it? Briefly, I didn't like it. The spool up annoys me. I've been using the SMG since beta, so I'm comfortable with it and have it specced out pretty well. Really people should use what they are most comfortable with. More specfically to your question though, my personal style, as you can see with my primary Commando setup, is to offset the weaknesses of my weapon pairings. The magsec is a longer range rail weapon, I don't need that paired up with the LR. If the target is outside 50-60m, they are getting one thing and one thing only: hot laz0r to the face. The big problem for me (and likely not just me) when using the LR is when people get inside optimal range. That's where the SMG wins out, and as an armor-based weapon it also works well finishing off the people who lose their shields bum rushing me. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2014.09.05 11:22:00 - [48] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 2k2y wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I am much harder to offend than that, lol. Okay so the preferred sidearm to use with the laer rifle is the submachine gun? I have been using the magsec smg lately and I am really liking it even more so than the smg. Have you tried it? Briefly, I didn't like it. The spool up annoys me. I've been using the SMG since beta, so I'm comfortable with it and have it specced out pretty well. Really people should use what they are most comfortable with. More specfically to your question though, my personal style, as you can see with my primary Commando setup, is to offset the weaknesses of my weapon pairings. The magsec is a longer range rail weapon, I don't need that paired up with the LR. If the target is outside 50-60m, they are getting one thing and one thing only: hot laz0r to the face. The big problem for me (and likely not just me) when using the LR is when people get inside optimal range. That's where the SMG wins out, and as an armor-based weapon it also works well finishing off the people who lose their shields bum rushing me. I do think the smg is much better than the magsec smg in cqc. I used to use the breach submachine gun because I am quite inaccurate with the normal submachine gun. I like the magsec smg because it is faster than the breach submachine gun but it is not as fast as the normal submachine gun. For me, the extra range is just a nice perk of the weapon.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3977	Posted - 2014.09.05 11:55:00 - [49] - Quote 2k2y wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 2k2y wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I am much harder to offend than that, lol. Okay so the preferred sidearm to use with the laer rifle is the submachine gun? I have been using the magsec smg lately and I am really liking it even more so than the smg. Have you tried it? Briefly, I didn't like it. The spool up annoys me. I've been using the SMG since beta, so I'm comfortable with it and have it specced out pretty well. Really people should use what they are most comfortable with. More specfically to your question though, my personal style, as you can see with my primary Commando setup, is to offset the weaknesses of my weapon pairings. The magsec is a longer range rail weapon, I don't need that paired up with the LR. If the target is outside 50-60m, they are getting one thing and one thing only: hot laz0r to the face. The big problem for me (and likely not just me) when using the LR is when people get inside optimal range. That's where the SMG wins out, and as an armor-based weapon it also works well finishing off the people who lose their shields bum rushing me. I do think the smg is much better than the magsec smg in cqc. I used to use the breach submachine gun because I am quite inaccurate with the normal submachine gun. I like the magsec smg because it is faster than the breach submachine gun but it is not as fast as the normal submachine gun. For me, the extra range is just a nice perk of the weapon. I used the breach SMG for a while myself. It shares the same problems as most of the other breach weapons, the ROF is a little too slow and so the effective DPS is less than it should be. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2014.09.05 12:03:00 - [50] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 2k2y wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 2k2y wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I am much harder to offend than that, lol. Okay so the preferred sidearm to use with the laer rifle is the submachine gun? I have been using the magsec smg lately and I am really liking it even more so than the smg. Have you tried it? Briefly, I didn't like it. The spool up annoys me. I've been using the SMG since beta, so I'm comfortable with it and have it specced out pretty well. Really people should use what they are most comfortable with. More specfically to your question though, my personal style, as you can see with my primary Commando setup, is to offset the weaknesses of my weapon pairings. The magsec is a longer range rail weapon, I don't need that paired up with the LR. If the target is outside 50-60m, they are getting one thing and one thing only: hot laz0r to the face. The big problem for me (and likely not just me) when using the LR is when people get inside optimal range. That's where the SMG wins out, and as an armor-based weapon it also works well finishing off the people who lose their shields bum rushing me. I do think the smg is much better than the magsec smg in cqc. I used to use the breach submachine gun because I am quite inaccurate with the normal submachine gun. I like the magsec smg because it is faster than the breach submachine gun but it is not as fast as the normal submachine gun. For me, the extra range is just a nice perk of the weapon. I used the breach SMG for a while myself. It shares the same problems as most of the other breach weapons, the ROF is a little too slow and so the effective DPS is less than it should be. I have one last question: Is it worth leveling up the laser rifle proficiency? Would it have any visible effect? I was thinking of leveling the proficiency of the two weapons I want to be using on a permanent basis (Laser rifle, magsec smg) after getting electronics 5 but I doubt the usefulness of the proficiency skill for anti-shield weapons like the laser rifle.

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3979	Posted - 2014.09.06 03:23:00 - [51] - Quote Good observation. A few months ago i would say wait on it until you max your cores and such, and TBH maxing cores has always been the way to go (to level 4 at least). But, with Rattati seemingly making actual progress in restoring shield tanking as a viable option, I'd say it's reasonable to go to level 2-3, which is also where you can unlock Viktors upcoming officer LR, should you ever get one. Higher than that is definitely not worth it. I actually don't have any weapons to prof 5, I think I have the CR and SMG to 4, and about 5 others, including the LR, to level 3. Omnisoldier FTW. (That's actually one of the old logi schools of thought from beta, we should be a jack of all trades to really support the team in any situation that may arise.) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
2k2y Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2014.09.06 11:16:00 - [52] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Good observation. A few months ago i would say wait on it until you max your cores and such, and TBH maxing cores has always been the way to go (to level 4 at least). But, with Rattati seemingly making actual progress in restoring shield tanking as a viable option, I'd say it's reasonable to go to level 2-3, which is also where you can unlock Viktors upcoming officer LR, should you ever get one. Higher than that is definitely not worth it. I actually don't have any weapons to prof 5, I think I have the CR and SMG to 4, and about 5 others, including the LR, to level 3. Omnisoldier FTW. (That's actually one of the old logi schools of thought from beta, we should be a jack of all trades to really support the team in any situation that may arise.) I know core skills are important but it will take me a some months to max them. I have scrambler rifle and rail rifle up to proficiency 4 but I do not like using those two weapons. No more leaving people with 0 armor and shield with proficiency up(hopefully). I think I am going to level up proficiency for the laser rifle up to 3 and the magsec smg up to 4. I think that wil take 4 weeks not including any future skill point events then I can finally start maxing out my core skills. Anyway, thanks for the advice.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4195	Posted - 2014.10.16 04:13:00 - [53] - Quote b u m p (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5618	Posted - 2014.10.25 23:35:00 - [54] - Quote Ironically enough I won the officer laser rifle and named it while being in the "Gentleman's Club." Alliance. I'll add more to this thread when I get home don't want to type many paragraphs from my phone at work. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs 350Mil ISK
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 302	Posted - 2014.10.29 04:21:00 - [55] - Quote I would like to add my style of laser rifle use i call it the hop scotch .. The thought behind this is suppression no ammo wasted. When I target my Foes I don't precooked at all I bounce the beam from enemy to enemy as they run for cover ..often the last 3 or 4 the beam touches will die ..meanwhile the rest are wounded and recovering thus completely I capable of poking there heads out to attack me while I reload without dieing ...i also find hopscotch in lowers the number of people who close on Me ..again because they need to recover This us how I approach clusters From habit of fighting nyain San and dueling old friends long gone ..my 1 v1 is different ..i don't give you a target until om cooked what I'll do us slide behind cover or out if line if sight after targeting you..then come out of cover firing at you...as if cover were not there ..i use my strafe to make contact and boom vaporized ...back off out of line reload back into line again to kill again ..using this method I've soloed multiple skilled rr users alone in weaker gear (generally I run stnd or adv assault with mlt lr ) no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 302	Posted - 2014.10.29 04:25:00 - [56] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Ironically enough I won the officer laser rifle and named it while being in the "Gentlemen's Club." Alliance. I'll add more to this thread when I get home don't want to type many paragraphs from my phone at work. Meh first officer event was a sham that excluded a good portion of the playerbase ..i didnt consider it a real event then done know but hey u got the bragging rights. The first officer event was a contest of WALLET SIZE LOL On a side nor I really hope I get to duel you someday I rarely see anyone on the enemy side running lr ..i never see anyone stomping with it when I play no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4313	Posted - 2014.10.29 12:11:00 - [57] - Quote Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 305	Posted - 2014.10.29 12:25:00 - [58] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! I gots fan mail somewhere from him lol no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 305	Posted - 2014.10.29 12:25:00 - [59] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! The only time I've ever seen Victor on enemy side he wasn't running lr no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13936	Posted - 2014.10.29 23:25:00 - [60] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! The only time I've ever seen Victor on enemy side he wasn't running lr Never fought him either. But have fought Aero to a stand off where we ran out of ammo and time, have run against Levithunder, did fight Mortedeamor once...... walked away crying then came back in a tank..... GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4524	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:36:00 - [61] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! The only time I've ever seen Victor on enemy side he wasn't running lr Never fought him either. But have fought Aero to a stand off where we ran out of ammo and time, have run against Levithunder, did fight Mortedeamor once...... walked away crying then came back in a tank..... lol..... "How you like me now, morte!" (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4524	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:38:00 - [62] - Quote AFAIK, the aim sensitivity with ADS was reduced today. Let's see how it goes... (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4767	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:26:00 - [63] - Quote Did some further testing of short-range damage output. Looks like you now do 100% damage to shields as close in as 2m. (at point-blank range it drops to like 98%) Now, that's not 120%, so it represents about 83% efficiency; Full damage still doesn't kick in until further out, but it's more like 40-50m instead of the old 60-70m. Will update the main body later, may need to do some further confirmatory testing to make sure the armor/shield difference remains consistent. Don't see why it wouldn't but always best to be sure. Still, looks like you could still use the LR to get rid of shields and then finish off armor with an SMG at basically any range now. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6279	Posted - 2014.12.04 06:43:00 - [64] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! The only time I've ever seen Victor on enemy side he wasn't running lr My average game modes played during the month. Dom: 5% Amarr Fw: 20% PC: 75% i really don't play as much as i use to because of school and work. I generally just log in for a few hours after work and get pulled into PC's then hop off for the night. I do use the laser rifle now and then, i love it but it is a very situational weapon and when running for Amarr FW i generally don't have the luxury to sit back and pick people of my laser rifle. Since most random in Amarr FW are useless i got to go in and do the dirty work. But i have been known to pull out my officer Laser rifle when im in squad with other Amarr players in FW(does not happen often, generally solo). I also pull out my officer laser in PC matches at times, but my assignment in PC are generally in spot which is high priority kill target so i can't use them during top tier PC teams because the kill order would be sent almost immediately from the enemy FC and i don't want to risk all my laser in a PC. Also been entertaining myself with manging a EVE corp and EVE PVP lately. Also do to having a life now i'm getting bad at dust. But throwing ISK at my problem like i generally do still makes me look good Many people who love the laser rifle also are supporters of Amarr FW, that and on a rare occasion Cal are the only two factions i run. So yeah it's not going to be easy to run into me unless you play for opposite side of FW or join in PC. NEG1 21 Day EVE Trial PC, ISK, EVE, Corp & Other Services
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2014.12.07 02:54:00 - [65] - Quote How does the flaylock go as a sidearm? I am thinking of Amar proto r logi with a laser and flaylock as long as is not stupid I will have fun
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6317	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:28:00 - [66] - Quote I'm going to try to use the LR in CQC tomorrow! Hell yeah! Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4853	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:33:00 - [67] - Quote Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Maybe against the Caldari) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1510	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:37:00 - [68] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Maybe against the Caldari) I am filing a request for Minmatar to take the place of Caldari in that sentence. *Why should I be loyal? To be the obedient dog controlled by the four races? No, I come first now and state second*
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4854	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:42:00 - [69] - Quote jane stalin wrote: How does the flaylock go as a sidearm? I am thinking of Amar proto r logi with a laser and flaylock as long as is not stupid I will have fun Personally Ive never used the flaylock so it's hard to say. It's been a bit lackluster since it got nerfed into the Stone Age last year (saw that coming and so never specced into it), but I guess it would be fine if it's something you ordinarily use and have success with. Realistically, as long as you are comfortable with it, most any sidearm should be fine. Magsec might be a little odd since it's also a long range gun and you'd be better off trying to offset the weakness of the LR with something better at close range (always toyed with the idea of a LR/shotty commando but never actually did it). (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4854	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:46:00 - [70] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Maybe against the Caldari) I am filing a request for Minmatar to take the place of Caldari in that sentence. Approved! However, it really goes without saying that you should laz0r any Minmatar you come across! That is the standing order all we Templar fall under. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4855	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:55:00 - [71] - Quote Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1511	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:56:00 - [72] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) *Why should I be loyal? To be the obedient dog controlled by the four races? No, I come first now and state second*
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4855	Posted - 2014.12.07 17:09:00 - [73] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15564	Posted - 2014.12.08 00:56:00 - [74] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. Aero has other commitments at the moment and can't play, Pig won't player without Aero and I, T12 has to run PAUX, Maikyl has work, Aisha is MIA, I'm not really enjoying Dust right now given the state of HAV so I'm usually off somewhere in Poland driving a Panzer VI H1, etc........... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4855	Posted - 2014.12.08 01:48:00 - [75] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. Aero has other commitments at the moment and can't play, Pig won't player without Aero and I, T12 has to run PAUX, Maikyl has work, Aisha is MIA, I'm not really enjoying Dust right now given the state of HAV so I'm usually off somewhere in Poland driving a Panzer VI H1, etc........... And yet you tease me every night when PSN tells me you are playing Dust! (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15573	Posted - 2014.12.08 02:49:00 - [76] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. Aero has other commitments at the moment and can't play, Pig won't player without Aero and I, T12 has to run PAUX, Maikyl has work, Aisha is MIA, I'm not really enjoying Dust right now given the state of HAV so I'm usually off somewhere in Poland driving a Panzer VI H1, etc........... And yet you tease me every night when PSN tells me you are playing Dust! I'm either farming infantry in ambush like the scrub ass tanker I am (according the forums and apparently the design philosophy of CCP) or sitting there looking at vehicle modules trying to ******* think of ways to fix them. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5109	Posted - 2015.01.12 05:22:00 - [77] - Quote Bzzzump (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 74	Posted - 2015.01.25 23:06:00 - [78] - Quote Bumping this excellent guide to Amarr Light Saber Well done OP. It was covered in his comments but it bears repeating. The Laz0r is an area denial weapon best used when cover for the enemy is scarce and you have the correct range. It also works well to harass those pesky rail rifle pecker-woods but don't get cocky as all they have to do is back up to 110 meters and you're screwed and they are not. The Laz0r is one of the few weapons in Dust to require real skill when confronting a squad of reds who mean you harm. The current batch of pray and spray weapons all will curve to kill you but not so with the Laz0r. Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way!
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5144	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:41:00 - [79] - Quote Bump, b/c WTF not. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6152	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:39:00 - [80] - Quote Extensive... John, could I have your permission to republish this guide through in-game Alliance mail for those who do not come to the forums? (I always reference the author when distributing someone else's work.) Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5149	Posted - 2015.04.04 23:16:00 - [81] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Extensive... John, could I have your permission to republish this guide through in-game Alliance mail for those who do not come to the forums? (I always reference the author when distributing someone else's work.) For you Fox, absolutely. Besides, if I didn't you'd probably just go and write a better one yourself anyway. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5149	Posted - 2015.04.28 18:09:00 - [82] - Quote random forum day bump (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 423	Posted - 2015.04.28 18:20:00 - [83] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Except against the Minmatar or enemies in Caldari suits) Edit: Minmatar are also approved targets. Which should go without saying to most readers of this guide. Just so you know... The feeling is mutual. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5154	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:07:00 - [84] - Quote I have tried (unsuccessfully) to dodge enough MD shells to already be aware of that. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3434	Posted - 2015.05.03 10:56:00 - [85] - Quote A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails) Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5158	Posted - 2015.05.03 15:28:00 - [86] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails) Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course. Yep. I never really got around to doing any comprehensive testing before I basically stopped playing, but from what I could tell, it does 2-3x the damage it used to (to shields at least). up close. Originally it was meh closer than 50m and totally useless inside 30m, there was essentially an 75% damage reduction at that range. You'd do about 30% damage to shields at 30m. Currently you do 100% damage to shields at 40m... still a reduction from the 'base' 120% but not bad. I never tested armor damage but assuming they just shifted the damage/range curve to the left and widened the optimal instead of completely changing the thing altogether, it should look something like this: (these numbers are all very much approximate and rounded off) 30m or less: 80% shield, 60% armor (inside 5-10m it drops off a little more) 40-50m: 100% shield, 75% arrmor So, still not amazing in CQC but nothing to sniff at. I'd still switch to my SMG inside 30m pretty much every time, but more so because their shields should be gone by then. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3436	Posted - 2015.05.04 06:07:00 - [87] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails) Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course. Yep. I never really got around to doing any comprehensive testing before I basically stopped playing, but from what I could tell, it does 2-3x the damage it used to (to shields at least). up close. Originally it was meh closer than 50m and totally useless inside 30m, there was essentially an 75% damage reduction at that range. You'd do about 30% damage to shields at 30m. Currently you do 100% damage to shields at 40m... still a reduction from the 'base' 120% but not bad. I never tested armor damage but assuming they just shifted the damage/range curve to the left and widened the optimal instead of completely changing the thing altogether, it should look something like this: (these numbers are all very much approximate and rounded off) 30m or less: 80% shield, 60% armor (inside 5-10m it drops off a little more) 40m: 100% shield, 75% arrmor Optimal now starts around 60m if memory serves, so: 60-110m: 120% shield, 80% armor So, still not amazing in CQC but quite effective once you hit 40m. I think I would still switch to my SMG inside 30m pretty much every time, but more so because their shields should be gone by then. Thanks for the heads up. That information would seem to correlate to what I have been experiencing when using the LR in battle. Yes swapping to a sidearm up close would be good idea.... only "what sidearm" "what SMG" I've been using dual lazorz BP on this Roden Commando BP I found recently lol Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.07.29 15:24:00 - [88] - Quote Who was that masked man who necro bumped this thread? (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
benandjerrys Vader's-Fist 540	Posted - 2015.08.05 14:19:00 - [89] - Quote Gud thread ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Support Dust/EvE cross content We need live events discussion
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 378	Posted - 2015.08.06 10:56:00 - [90] - Quote Is the victors neg-1 bugged? , It has heat build up of 13.5 instead of 21, If it has the same exponential damage increase as normal LR then it would be ridiculous.

John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.08.07 19:30:00 - [91] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Is the victors neg-1 bugged? , It has heat build up of 13.5 instead of 21, If it has the same exponential damage increase as normal LR then it would be ridiculous. Viktor is a mad genius. The whole point is that it never overheats, but AFAIK it has a smaller ammo capacity to compensate. I've never actually used one, if I ever do decide to play again that's #1 on my list of things to do. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:00:00 - [92] - Quote Minor edits made because why not. Added a little blurb about the NEG-1. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
WyrmHero1945 Finesse Soldiers 575	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:57:00 - [93] - Quote Great guide, I once was a LR user back in beta. Once Uprising arrived, the LR was nerfed pretty bad, it overheated at 40 ammo left with the basic suit. I tried so many times to get to work that I just gave up on it. I did a respec and started playing with the CalAssault and the Rail Rifle. While it's fun I just miss my LR. It's a weapon I wanna really master and be known as a deadly LR player. I think I'll start speccing into AmAssault and LR once again. I have 1m SP left that I think I'll start spending on them. My past build: Assault ak.0 3 Complex Shield Extenders 4 Complex Ferroscale Plates 1 Complex Shield Repairer Viziam LR Toxin SMG Flux Grenades Ammo/Triage Nanohive I choose shield extenders because of personal preference: it helps tank hits when they see your beam and you're trying to be in the optimal range, which is more medium-long range and it's Rail Rifle territory. Ferroscale Plates because the LR works great when out in the open, so you gotta be as mobile as possible. Also sometimes you wanna get to high places asap.
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.09.18 13:22:00 - [94] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Great guide, I once was a LR user back in beta. Once Uprising arrived, the LR was nerfed pretty bad, it overheated at 40 ammo left with the basic suit. I tried so many times to get to work that I just gave up on it. Dark times indeed. I didn't spec up to proto for probably a year after that because not much point. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Ashellia Starcrest highland marines 0	Posted - 2015.10.12 09:38:00 - [95] - Quote Hi there, big fan of the guide and I was hoping to get some insight on how to improve my LR game as an Amarr Assault. First of all, this character is still in the low SP range and I was wondering what would be the best way to skill up: Maxing out my suit for the heat bonus, maxing out my laser for it's cool-down bonus and upgrades, or leveling them evenly? Secondly do you think that it's viable to use the laser in mid-to-close range areas (mostly relying on a sidearm), or do you switch to a secondary light weapon for maps that call for it? Lastly do have any remedies for the sickness I feel whenever I see somebody with a rail rifle? Thank you, and sorry if any of this was already covered in the thread and my eyes didn't pick it up. Death Before Dishonor.
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.10.21 16:54:00 - [96] - Quote The suit skill probably gives more bang for the buck, no pun intended. I'd also basically switch to a sidearm 99 times out of 100 when the target is inside 30m (maybe 40). There is no cure for rail rifle sickness, unfortunately. Complaining on the forums can help with the symptoms but that's about it. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.08 12:54:00 - [97] - Quote aaaaand why not bump cuz I'm here (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Regnier Feros Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 1	Posted - 2016.01.08 13:04:00 - [98] - Quote Pie o/ I LIKE PIE
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.20 14:48:00 - [99] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Pie o/ You know, I don't have pie often enough. Honestly I like cookies better but man I do drool over that Perkins chocolate peanut butter pie we get for Thanksgiving every year. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2016.01.21 00:13:00 - [100] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Pie o/ You know, I don't have pie often enough. Honestly I like cookies better but man I do drool over that Perkins chocolate peanut butter pie we get for Thanksgiving every year. I gotcha PIE right here! "That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space." - Unnamed Gunnery Chief, The Citadel

John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.22 14:22:00 - [101] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Regnier Feros wrote: Pie o/ You know, I don't have pie often enough. Honestly I like cookies better but man I do drool over that Perkins chocolate peanut butter pie we get for Thanksgiving every year. I gotcha PIE right here! Arguably the best kind, my friend, but living on the other side of the pond you may not be familiar with our American "I'm in a diabetic coma but it was worth it!" pies that are pretty much candy with a crust... I don't know that many British desserts but maybe you could think of it like a trifle but with chocolate mousse and peanut butter filling instead of that unnecessarily healthy fruit stuff. Edit: Oh, and with a Reeses peanut butter cup instead of a cherry on top. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.02.05 15:16:00 - [102] - Quote Final bump and I've archived the guide for the future release if needed. If not, well, a CCP FPS without the LR is not a world I want to live in so the point is moot. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5216	Posted - 2016.04.06 16:29:00 - [103] - Quote OK maybe one more bump just to keep it active until the bitter end, lol. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)


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