DUST Search - The Gentleman's Weapon, a guide to the Laser Rifle

John Demonsbane wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails)

Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course.

Yep. I never really got around to doing any comprehensive testing before I basically stopped playing, but from what I could tell, it does 2-3x the damage it used to (to shields at least). up close.

Originally it was meh closer than 50m and totally useless inside 30m, there was essentially an 75% damage reduction at that range. You'd do about 30% damage to shields at 30m.

Currently you do 100% damage to shields at 40m... still a reduction from the 'base' 120% but not bad. I never tested armor damage but assuming they just shifted the damage/range curve to the left and widened the optimal instead of completely changing the thing altogether, it should look something like this:

(these numbers are all very much approximate and rounded off)

30m or less: 80% shield, 60% armor (inside 5-10m it drops off a little more)

40m: 100% shield, 75% arrmor

Optimal now starts around 60m if memory serves, so:

60-110m: 120% shield, 80% armor

So, still not amazing in CQC but quite effective once you hit 40m. I think I would still switch to my SMG inside 30m pretty much every time, but more so because their shields should be gone by then.

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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4524	Posted - 2014.10.30 00:36:00 - [61] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! The only time I've ever seen Victor on enemy side he wasn't running lr Never fought him either. But have fought Aero to a stand off where we ran out of ammo and time, have run against Levithunder, did fight Mortedeamor once...... walked away crying then came back in a tank..... lol..... "How you like me now, morte!" (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4524	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:38:00 - [62] - Quote AFAIK, the aim sensitivity with ADS was reduced today. Let's see how it goes... (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4767	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:26:00 - [63] - Quote Did some further testing of short-range damage output. Looks like you now do 100% damage to shields as close in as 2m. (at point-blank range it drops to like 98%) Now, that's not 120%, so it represents about 83% efficiency; Full damage still doesn't kick in until further out, but it's more like 40-50m instead of the old 60-70m. Will update the main body later, may need to do some further confirmatory testing to make sure the armor/shield difference remains consistent. Don't see why it wouldn't but always best to be sure. Still, looks like you could still use the LR to get rid of shields and then finish off armor with an SMG at basically any range now. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6279	Posted - 2014.12.04 06:43:00 - [64] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Lol. I managed to kill Malleus mallificorum in a LR duel during the event (he won 3/2 though) and I was thisfuckingclose to killing Viktor with my Templar LR but some bastard with a militia AR of all things landed one round and got credit for the kill! I honestly think I've never been angrier at a blueberry. So much rage! The only time I've ever seen Victor on enemy side he wasn't running lr My average game modes played during the month. Dom: 5% Amarr Fw: 20% PC: 75% i really don't play as much as i use to because of school and work. I generally just log in for a few hours after work and get pulled into PC's then hop off for the night. I do use the laser rifle now and then, i love it but it is a very situational weapon and when running for Amarr FW i generally don't have the luxury to sit back and pick people of my laser rifle. Since most random in Amarr FW are useless i got to go in and do the dirty work. But i have been known to pull out my officer Laser rifle when im in squad with other Amarr players in FW(does not happen often, generally solo). I also pull out my officer laser in PC matches at times, but my assignment in PC are generally in spot which is high priority kill target so i can't use them during top tier PC teams because the kill order would be sent almost immediately from the enemy FC and i don't want to risk all my laser in a PC. Also been entertaining myself with manging a EVE corp and EVE PVP lately. Also do to having a life now i'm getting bad at dust. But throwing ISK at my problem like i generally do still makes me look good Many people who love the laser rifle also are supporters of Amarr FW, that and on a rare occasion Cal are the only two factions i run. So yeah it's not going to be easy to run into me unless you play for opposite side of FW or join in PC. NEG1 21 Day EVE Trial PC, ISK, EVE, Corp & Other Services
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2014.12.07 02:54:00 - [65] - Quote How does the flaylock go as a sidearm? I am thinking of Amar proto r logi with a laser and flaylock as long as is not stupid I will have fun
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6317	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:28:00 - [66] - Quote I'm going to try to use the LR in CQC tomorrow! Hell yeah! Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4853	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:33:00 - [67] - Quote Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Maybe against the Caldari) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1510	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:37:00 - [68] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Maybe against the Caldari) I am filing a request for Minmatar to take the place of Caldari in that sentence. *Why should I be loyal? To be the obedient dog controlled by the four races? No, I come first now and state second*
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4854	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:42:00 - [69] - Quote jane stalin wrote: How does the flaylock go as a sidearm? I am thinking of Amar proto r logi with a laser and flaylock as long as is not stupid I will have fun Personally Ive never used the flaylock so it's hard to say. It's been a bit lackluster since it got nerfed into the Stone Age last year (saw that coming and so never specced into it), but I guess it would be fine if it's something you ordinarily use and have success with. Realistically, as long as you are comfortable with it, most any sidearm should be fine. Magsec might be a little odd since it's also a long range gun and you'd be better off trying to offset the weakness of the LR with something better at close range (always toyed with the idea of a LR/shotty commando but never actually did it). (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4854	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:46:00 - [70] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Maybe against the Caldari) I am filing a request for Minmatar to take the place of Caldari in that sentence. Approved! However, it really goes without saying that you should laz0r any Minmatar you come across! That is the standing order all we Templar fall under. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4855	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:55:00 - [71] - Quote Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1511	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:56:00 - [72] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) *Why should I be loyal? To be the obedient dog controlled by the four races? No, I come first now and state second*
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4855	Posted - 2014.12.07 17:09:00 - [73] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15564	Posted - 2014.12.08 00:56:00 - [74] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. Aero has other commitments at the moment and can't play, Pig won't player without Aero and I, T12 has to run PAUX, Maikyl has work, Aisha is MIA, I'm not really enjoying Dust right now given the state of HAV so I'm usually off somewhere in Poland driving a Panzer VI H1, etc........... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4855	Posted - 2014.12.08 01:48:00 - [75] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. Aero has other commitments at the moment and can't play, Pig won't player without Aero and I, T12 has to run PAUX, Maikyl has work, Aisha is MIA, I'm not really enjoying Dust right now given the state of HAV so I'm usually off somewhere in Poland driving a Panzer VI H1, etc........... And yet you tease me every night when PSN tells me you are playing Dust! (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15573	Posted - 2014.12.08 02:49:00 - [76] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Also, being Khanid, the Caldari can always count on my support. ((My RP is as a Khanid military instructor who has trained many Caldari units)) You still do that? I imagined you left with all the other templar (other than true) Many of us are still around. I have not seen Aisha, but True and Aero have played recently. Not as much as we used to be, of course, but the Templar are not gone yet. Aero has other commitments at the moment and can't play, Pig won't player without Aero and I, T12 has to run PAUX, Maikyl has work, Aisha is MIA, I'm not really enjoying Dust right now given the state of HAV so I'm usually off somewhere in Poland driving a Panzer VI H1, etc........... And yet you tease me every night when PSN tells me you are playing Dust! I'm either farming infantry in ambush like the scrub ass tanker I am (according the forums and apparently the design philosophy of CCP) or sitting there looking at vehicle modules trying to ******* think of ways to fix them. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5109	Posted - 2015.01.12 05:22:00 - [77] - Quote Bzzzump (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 74	Posted - 2015.01.25 23:06:00 - [78] - Quote Bumping this excellent guide to Amarr Light Saber Well done OP. It was covered in his comments but it bears repeating. The Laz0r is an area denial weapon best used when cover for the enemy is scarce and you have the correct range. It also works well to harass those pesky rail rifle pecker-woods but don't get cocky as all they have to do is back up to 110 meters and you're screwed and they are not. The Laz0r is one of the few weapons in Dust to require real skill when confronting a squad of reds who mean you harm. The current batch of pray and spray weapons all will curve to kill you but not so with the Laz0r. Blueberry!....Make yourself useful and shoot the blurry thing running this way!
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5144	Posted - 2015.04.01 23:41:00 - [79] - Quote Bump, b/c WTF not. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6152	Posted - 2015.04.02 14:39:00 - [80] - Quote Extensive... John, could I have your permission to republish this guide through in-game Alliance mail for those who do not come to the forums? (I always reference the author when distributing someone else's work.) Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5149	Posted - 2015.04.04 23:16:00 - [81] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Extensive... John, could I have your permission to republish this guide through in-game Alliance mail for those who do not come to the forums? (I always reference the author when distributing someone else's work.) For you Fox, absolutely. Besides, if I didn't you'd probably just go and write a better one yourself anyway. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5149	Posted - 2015.04.28 18:09:00 - [82] - Quote random forum day bump (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 423	Posted - 2015.04.28 18:20:00 - [83] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Disclaimer: the author does not recommend using the LR in CQC. (Except against the Minmatar or enemies in Caldari suits) Edit: Minmatar are also approved targets. Which should go without saying to most readers of this guide. Just so you know... The feeling is mutual. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5154	Posted - 2015.04.29 23:07:00 - [84] - Quote I have tried (unsuccessfully) to dodge enough MD shells to already be aware of that. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3434	Posted - 2015.05.03 10:56:00 - [85] - Quote A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails) Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5158	Posted - 2015.05.03 15:28:00 - [86] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails) Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course. Yep. I never really got around to doing any comprehensive testing before I basically stopped playing, but from what I could tell, it does 2-3x the damage it used to (to shields at least). up close. Originally it was meh closer than 50m and totally useless inside 30m, there was essentially an 75% damage reduction at that range. You'd do about 30% damage to shields at 30m. Currently you do 100% damage to shields at 40m... still a reduction from the 'base' 120% but not bad. I never tested armor damage but assuming they just shifted the damage/range curve to the left and widened the optimal instead of completely changing the thing altogether, it should look something like this: (these numbers are all very much approximate and rounded off) 30m or less: 80% shield, 60% armor (inside 5-10m it drops off a little more) 40-50m: 100% shield, 75% arrmor So, still not amazing in CQC but nothing to sniff at. I'd still switch to my SMG inside 30m pretty much every time, but more so because their shields should be gone by then. (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 3436	Posted - 2015.05.04 06:07:00 - [87] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: A very nice guide, even learnt one or two new things here. I've been using the LR again recently and its a good weapon in mostly good shape right now. (At least from my pub match trails) Btw CQC dmg has been buffed a bit right? Its not quite as pathetic in CQC as I remember, though still not a close range brawler weapon, of course. Yep. I never really got around to doing any comprehensive testing before I basically stopped playing, but from what I could tell, it does 2-3x the damage it used to (to shields at least). up close. Originally it was meh closer than 50m and totally useless inside 30m, there was essentially an 75% damage reduction at that range. You'd do about 30% damage to shields at 30m. Currently you do 100% damage to shields at 40m... still a reduction from the 'base' 120% but not bad. I never tested armor damage but assuming they just shifted the damage/range curve to the left and widened the optimal instead of completely changing the thing altogether, it should look something like this: (these numbers are all very much approximate and rounded off) 30m or less: 80% shield, 60% armor (inside 5-10m it drops off a little more) 40m: 100% shield, 75% arrmor Optimal now starts around 60m if memory serves, so: 60-110m: 120% shield, 80% armor So, still not amazing in CQC but quite effective once you hit 40m. I think I would still switch to my SMG inside 30m pretty much every time, but more so because their shields should be gone by then. Thanks for the heads up. That information would seem to correlate to what I have been experiencing when using the LR in battle. Yes swapping to a sidearm up close would be good idea.... only "what sidearm" "what SMG" I've been using dual lazorz BP on this Roden Commando BP I found recently lol Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? SCV Ready!
John Demonsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.07.29 15:24:00 - [88] - Quote Who was that masked man who necro bumped this thread? (The godfather of tactical logisticsGäó)
benandjerrys Vader's-Fist 540	Posted - 2015.08.05 14:19:00 - [89] - Quote Gud thread ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Support Dust/EvE cross content We need live events discussion
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 378	Posted - 2015.08.06 10:56:00 - [90] - Quote Is the victors neg-1 bugged? , It has heat build up of 13.5 instead of 21, If it has the same exponential damage increase as normal LR then it would be ridiculous.



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