DUST Search - All Hail the Combat Rifle, King of all Rifles and named new Duvolle

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

The Combat Rifle is the new Duvolle of old. All you see in the kill feed nowadays is RS-90 CR or BK-42 Assault CR. It is getting ridiculous.

You can get the jump on a combat rifle user for them to wheel around and take you out before you can fully count to two. Its 95/110 damage profile is too balanced leading it be an extremely fast killer. If anything, projectile ammo should be the least effective to shields (after explosive damage) and the damage profile imo should be changed to 80/110.

While everyone was crying foul over the RR in 1.7, the CR sneaked right through the door.

EDIT

My proposal is to NOT touch its damage per shot, but to tweak its damage profile to 80/110.

Every weapon in the game depending on its damage profile can be countered except for the CR and SMG.

Example

Dying too much to Plasma Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Ion Pistols -- stack more armor
Dying too much to Mass Drivers, Flaylocks (lol), Locus Grenades, Missiles -- stack more shields
Dying too much to Combat Rifles, Sub Machine guns -- you're SOoL

So your answer to fixing a unjustifiable extra 5% on its damage profile to shields is to give it an unjustifiable 10% reduction from where it should be.

Yea, no.

Yet everyone is fine with the ScR being 120/80...to me the ScR and CR are opposites the damage profiles should be 120/80 for ScR and 80/120 or 80/110 for CR.

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medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 506	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:15:00 - [61] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Huh. RR is still being purchased 6x more than CR. Want a linky? I'll have to get on my PC- but the past 10 days' sales is like this- RR 32~% of all weapons sold, CR is 6% of all weapons sold. That's a misconception. The only thing that units purchased proves is that there are more rail rifle destroyed than combat rifles. You don't have to purchase gear unless the gear you have is destroyed. If anything you are presenting info that points to combat rifles being OP because combat rifle users have to buy the gun a lot less often then compared to other rifles. Lynn Beck wrote: The MAJOR drawback to CR is the ridiculously low damage per clip. Miss 2 bursts on your CR and you simply will not kill that proto suit. People killing you are good shots. I main scrambler rifle and I'm sorry but I still regard the combat rifle as noob friendly. Your major drawback is having to reload? Really? Lynn Beck wrote: On the other side... Modded controller abuse with SCR is still out there, and they're instagibbing my 700-825hp commando before i can even fire 2 bursts. Quit yer bitchin and grow a pair guys. Combat rifle with modded controller abuse, you should try it. You won't run into any of the problems with the scrambler rifle exploding in you face. Because you see, unlike the combat rifle, the scrambler rifle has an actual mechanic that punishes spamming shots. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 114	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:17:00 - [62] - Quote BOW TO THE MIGHTY MINMITAR AND OUR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!! we even converted this lowly amarrian to the great ways of winmitar combat bwah ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4778	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:18:00 - [63] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: NAV HIV wrote: I remember you killing me 3-4 times with that Scout and CR combo... I felt dirty. Proto Amarr Scout with proto CR. shakes head in shame AHAH why would you use an amarr scout XD ???? Anyhow, the CR has always been the strongest. Compared to the scrambler rifle (here i go again) it has a much better weapon profile, no overheat mechanics, a joke of fitting requirments, and at STD level does more damage PER button press than a Proto Scrambler rifle,not counting the charged shot. CR is a better Semi auto Rifle than the SCR. The SCR being better than any other Auto rifle makes the CR the best rifle of them all. BY FAR. BUT, i fail to see why this is bad. If you like the CR burst mode or want EZ mode kills, go CR. If you like using the ''marksman'' style of he SCR, use SCR. If you love CQ Pray and spray, use AR. If you love long ranged spray and pray, go RR. Its not like you are going to look pro using an AR anyways.... Much less on a scout.... Much less if its tanked.... CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4170	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:26:00 - [64] - Quote Agreed....I downed an amarr sentinel faster with a CR than an HMG Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 571	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:30:00 - [65] - Quote Balance between weapons will look like this, and all will be fixed: - 95/105 damage profile on Combat Rifles. - 6.6% RoF buff to Gallente AR (800rpm) and 2% damage increase. There you are CCP, we just balanced all racial rifles. I expect payment in cash.
Rusty Shallows 1394	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:34:00 - [66] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Agreed....I downed an amarr sentinel faster with a CR than an HMG *Sniffle* But they just fixed the HMG... I don't care. My play-style has conformed to HMGs and mine still kicks ass. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4603	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:41:00 - [67] - Quote Personally, I think this is an issue of play style, just like armor tanking. While it isn't best in all situations, it's the best for how most people play. It's not as extremely easy to use as the plasma rifle, and the clip doesn't last as long. It can't throw out consistent high damage shots without reloading like the scrambler rifle. It can't outrange the rail rifle. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1008	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:45:00 - [68] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: The Combat Rifle is the new Duvolle of old. All you see in the kill feed nowadays is RS-90 CR or BK-42 Assault CR. It is getting ridiculous. You can get the jump on a combat rifle user for them to wheel around and take you out before you can fully count to two. Its 95/110 damage profile is too balanced leading it be an extremely fast killer. If anything, projectile ammo should be the least effective to shields (after explosive damage) and the damage profile imo should be changed to 80/110. While everyone was crying foul over the RR in 1.7, the CR sneaked right through the door. I know you're wise enough to understand it, but the only people QQing about the RR were the ignorant. The CR has been the better weapon since the start, but the masses are only just figuring it out.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4778	Posted - 2014.04.03 22:49:00 - [69] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: The Combat Rifle is the new Duvolle of old. All you see in the kill feed nowadays is RS-90 CR or BK-42 Assault CR. It is getting ridiculous. You can get the jump on a combat rifle user for them to wheel around and take you out before you can fully count to two. Its 95/110 damage profile is too balanced leading it be an extremely fast killer. If anything, projectile ammo should be the least effective to shields (after explosive damage) and the damage profile imo should be changed to 80/110. While everyone was crying foul over the RR in 1.7, the CR sneaked right through the door. I know you're wise enough to understand it, but the only people QQing about the RR were the ignorant. The CR has been the better weapon since the start, but the masses are only just figuring it out. I've been saying this since the CR came out and everyone was complaining about the SCR and RR.... well... CLOAKS are Fine, stop the QQ and get your awareness and game , UP.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1639	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:04:00 - [70] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: The Combat Rifle is the new Duvolle of old. All you see in the kill feed nowadays is RS-90 CR or BK-42 Assault CR. It is getting ridiculous. You can get the jump on a combat rifle user for them to wheel around and take you out before you can fully count to two. Its 95/110 damage profile is too balanced leading it be an extremely fast killer. If anything, projectile ammo should be the least effective to shields (after explosive damage) and the damage profile imo should be changed to 80/110. While everyone was crying foul over the RR in 1.7, the CR sneaked right through the door. EDIT My proposal is to NOT touch its damage per shot, but to tweak its damage profile to 80/110. Every weapon in the game depending on its damage profile can be countered except for the CR and SMG. Example Dying too much to Plasma Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Ion Pistols -- stack more armor Dying too much to Mass Drivers, Flaylocks (lol), Locus Grenades, Missiles -- stack more shields Dying too much to Combat Rifles, Sub Machine guns -- you're SOoL EDIT 2 Disregard my 80/110 damage profile...I'm not a math major, and I've been told that 80/110 is terribad math apparently (homeland security major here). I do know for a fact though that the CR's power lies in its current damage profile of 95/110, what do you all propose as a new damage profile? I have the RR, CR and SCR and while i now use the Caldari Scout suit with the SCR, i still melt more people with it then with the CR, but the CR is easier when i don't need to count rounds shot for overheat measures. Ive been all over the fence in 1.7 and ive went back and forth between all 3 guns and the only Variant gun i find underpowered is the Assault Scrambler Rifle, everything else i could wrestle it up to a 60/x score and combined with a scannerina build they went 70/x something on some games, except the Assault Scrambler. I cant find any other performance issues between the other guns when i use em, they slice right through dropsuits. All skills are at level 5 btw. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

Maciej Szambelan Made in Poland... E-R-A 42	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:06:00 - [71] - Quote It's still OP like f..k! How is it possible that standard cr kills me with one burst dealing 700 damage?
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 371	Posted - 2014.04.03 23:07:00 - [72] - Quote Meh ... getting those nice pretty skirts of those Amarr Scum in my CR sights is a beautiful thing that manages to bring a smile to my face . Those black Caldari suits however is another story entirely .... No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 571	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:26:00 - [73] - Quote Maciej Szambelan wrote: It's still OP like f..k! How is it possible that standard cr kills me with one burst dealing 700 damage? I disagree entirely. It's not OP at all, it's just unbalanced a bit. The rail rifle is better at range, the scrambler has better range, and the AR is just putperformed in every way by it. It could use an extra 2/3 CPU fitting requirements at basic, 3/4 at advanced and 5 at proto: That would bring it into near perfect harmony.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 671	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:40:00 - [74] - Quote I am with the OP. 95/110 means this rifle does 102.5% damage, and that is not right., Also having only a 5% penalty to shield is just not enough of a draw-back, especially considering in eve projectiles are just about the polar opposite of lasers. I would like to see a 85/115 split, it would make sense, and hybrids were always more of a all-around weapon in eve as well (thermal dmg being mostly neutral). Also, yeah the CR is LOL OP, and I have been saying this for a long time too. Right now, if you can squeeze the trigger 6.66 times per second, you can max out the CR. It will do 540 DPS. The scrambler at 6.66 trigger squezzes per second? 433 damage per second. The scrambler will also overheat in approx 2.3 seconds, where as the combat rifle will still have 3 more rounds before it needs to reload. There really is no downside to the combat rifle. It has the highest real-world DPS of all rifles, it has the best damage profile of all rifles, it is the easiest to fit of all rifles, and has the highest sustained DPS of all rifles. I also love how people try to say damage per magazine and then include the scrambler in that. It doesn't work that way. Your damage in the scrambler is limited by your heat bank, not ammo. You HAVE to stop shooting after a few shots, either through you stopping (smart) or the gun overheating (you die).The effective "clip" of a scrambler is ~ 15 rounds, making it the lowest of all damage/"magazine" weapons. TYhis is also the reason why the commando role bonus or reload speed is just about entirely useless for the amarr. Fixing swarms
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1082	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:44:00 - [75] - Quote Its designed to take out mostly armour duel tankers - Amarr Current burst CR is quite lacklustre against shields as it is. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3393	Posted - 2014.04.04 07:55:00 - [76] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: The Combat Rifle is the new Duvolle of old. All you see in the kill feed nowadays is RS-90 CR or BK-42 Assault CR. It is getting ridiculous. You can get the jump on a combat rifle user for them to wheel around and take you out before you can fully count to two. Its 95/110 damage profile is too balanced leading it be an extremely fast killer. If anything, projectile ammo should be the least effective to shields (after explosive damage) and the damage profile imo should be changed to 80/110. While everyone was crying foul over the RR in 1.7, the CR sneaked right through the door. EDIT My proposal is to NOT touch its damage per shot, but to tweak its damage profile to 80/110. Every weapon in the game depending on its damage profile can be countered except for the CR and SMG. Example Dying too much to Plasma Rifles, Scrambler Rifles, Scrambler Pistols, Ion Pistols -- stack more armor Dying too much to Mass Drivers, Flaylocks (lol), Locus Grenades, Missiles -- stack more shields Dying too much to Combat Rifles, Sub Machine guns -- you're SOoL So your answer to fixing a unjustifiable extra 5% on its damage profile to shields is to give it an unjustifiable 10% reduction from where it should be. Yea, no. Yet everyone is fine with the ScR being 120/80...to me the ScR and CR are opposites the damage profiles should be 120/80 for ScR and 80/120 or 80/110 for CR. 80/120 would make sense. 90/110 would make sense. 80/110 does not make sense. Armor tanking balance is built-in to the suit and its modules with movement penalties. It does not need a screwed up, one sided profile on armor damaging weapons in order to give shields viability. You're attempting to address two issues with one solution that have no business meeting each other on it.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 672	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:12:00 - [77] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Its designed to take out mostly armour duel tankers - Amarr Current burst CR is quite lacklustre against shields as it is. It appears as though CCP is remedying the mistake of amarr being dual tankers, we are not in any way shape or form dual tankers. Look at the new suits with their slot layouts, notice how the amarrian suits are definitely armor tanking suits? Fixing swarms
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3933	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:15:00 - [78] - Quote LOLOLOLOL!! The CR has always been king! Oh yea, we couldn't see over the RR QQ threads and its usage in pubs. I, for one, vote that we don't change anything about the CR. I'm just tired of the constant flux. Nerf RR...(RR is now less used and people grab the CR, realizing it was better than RR)...nerf CR! Aren't we tired of this back and forth with weapons? The RR should have never been nerfed. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 966	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:16:00 - [79] - Quote The projectile damage profile mirrors that of Eve, and for the same reason. It's balanced on ammo. If you're talking about changing the damage profile because numbers have to add up to zero for some reason, then you also need to take ammo into account. That said, there is no reason why the numbers need to add up to zero. That's an arbritary stance you've taken, that has no relevance to the game world. Knowledge is power
1pawn dust Algintal Core Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2014.04.04 08:59:00 - [80] - Quote thought the ScR was the king until 1.8 but now CR defo takes the ****, also the AR seems like its went back to being OP in the right hands.

Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2014.04.04 09:03:00 - [81] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: LOLOLOLOL!! The CR has always been king! Oh yea, we couldn't see over the RR QQ threads and its usage in pubs. I, for one, vote that we don't change anything about the CR. I'm just tired of the constant flux. Nerf RR...(RR is now less used and people grab the CR, realizing it was better than RR)...nerf CR! Aren't we tired of this back and forth with weapons? The RR should have never been nerfed. I knew you were a FotM f4ggot. So you think it was perfectly fine that a rifle had over twice the range of the old AR, and the same DPS? Look at how stupid you are. Watch your back because I might be there.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2084	Posted - 2014.04.04 09:04:00 - [82] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am with the OP. 95/110 means this rifle does 102.5% damage. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 426	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:37:00 - [83] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Ok then you're either Evicer or Atiim. I dont know how we got into this either Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Patrick57 6666	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:46:00 - [84] - Quote Your Scrambler Rifle was dominant up until the CR and RR came out. My personal best ADS match
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2085	Posted - 2014.04.04 10:47:00 - [85] - Quote sCRubs ScRubs Same thing, different meaning. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 187	Posted - 2014.04.04 11:13:00 - [86] - Quote I don't think it's the damage profile but the dps of the boundless combat is still round 600 which is quite a bit higher than the others excluding the scrambler which still has over 800. G0DS AM0NG MEN Director 1.8 is going to be Heavy 514 they said... Looking around all I see are twig men
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 774	Posted - 2014.04.04 11:17:00 - [87] - Quote Very good point. I don't notice this too much, but I agree I do see more of them on the field.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1260	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:13:00 - [88] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Dying too much to Combat Rifles, Sub Machine guns -- fight at proper ranges instead of run and gun like a CoD scrub fixed #gitgud now seriously, The CR does exactly what it should, fill faces of poor unworthy scrubs with lead and kill them fast, move away and reload. at range RR wins over the CR, the problem is not CR is too good, the Assault rifle that should dominate at close range just sucks. if anything I would slightly reduce CR DPS and increase AR DPS and all is fine. Aisha Ctarl wrote: Yet everyone is fine with the ScR being 120/80...to me the ScR and CR are opposites the damage profiles should be 120/80 for ScR and 80/120 or 80/110 for CR. Aisha Ctarl wrote: the damage profile imo should be changed to 80/110 minmatar tech disagrees => https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Proton_S
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 59	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:21:00 - [89] - Quote It somewhat surprises me that no one knew how OP the ACR was until now. That thing just chews up everyone. (Insert witty phrase here)
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1957	Posted - 2014.04.04 12:26:00 - [90] - Quote What happened to the ScR? I used to get killed by that thing constantly.



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