Cloaks should make your scan profile larger, not smaller.

Ok so basically, there should be a trade-off. You fit plates, you loose speed, you fit shields, you loose shield delay, you equip a cloak....... well there is only upside to fitting a cloak.

Cloaks should make your scan profile larger, not smaller.

Ok so basically, there should be a trade-off. You fit plates, you loose speed, you fit shields, you loose shield delay, you equip a cloak....... well there is only upside to fitting a cloak.

Please show us on the doll where the mean Scout(s) touched you.

CLOAKS are ok, everyone saying they are EZ mode, OP whatever are just salty they cannot see that 300-400HP player running from a mile away.,Its just sad you truly want to take this away from scouts.

''OMG you can switch weapons and shoot while cloaked?''
This is an exaggeration.IF you WATCH someone cloaked RUNNING towards you you will notice:While switching weapons the cloak already starts to fade, and not only while moving YOU ARE VISIBLE, but while switching weapons parts of your body will reveal BEFORE even being able to shoot.Sure not complete visibility,but still visible.

Most of the people moaning and QQing about cloaks is because they lack Situational Awerness and overall lack serious teamwork.
If you are in a squad, a scout is a LOT less likely to attack you.
If you actually use your 2 eyes, you can see EVERY single cloaked enemy there is, people are just lazy and want everything done for them. Less than 20mts aways a cloaked enemy is visible, even while standing still.People just dont want to have to pay attention....

After reading several comments i have to agree with KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf. His solution to cloaks is a lot more sensitive.
The cloak could use:
GÖª removal of 25% dampening while cloaked
GÖª an audible noise when decloaking

GÇó This way its ever HARDER to abuse by NON scout suits that can achieve higher levels of HP.
GÇó This way even if not 100% decloaked, while swiching weapons the enemy can hear the decloaking sound and have a better chance to defend themselves.

(sorry about the mispellings,will correct later)
opinions?

GÖª an audible noise when decloaking

There is an audiable noise while decloaking, problem is you are dead by the time you hear it.
We aren't salty about an actual scout taking advantage of momentary lapse of concentration, we are salty about getting shot before you decloak, that's all.
The simple solution the animation when you manually turn off the cloak is compulsory even when switching weapons.

If you truly are a good scout me seeing you at 8m as opposed to 5m shouldn't make a difference to you.
There is no need to remove cloaked dampening that just hurts everyone involved.

Just make so you can't fire before you finish decloaking and everyone will be happy. Except the KDR chasers, but that is what we want to achieve.
If thats not enough for you, I could instead suggest that we bring back the shooting under cloak penalty had originally proposed, but was denied because the community didn't want people shooting while only partially visible,

''OMG you can switch weapons and shoot while cloaked?''
This is an exaggeration.IF you WATCH someone cloaked RUNNING towards you you will notice:While switching weapons the cloak already starts to fade, and not only while moving YOU ARE VISIBLE, but while switching weapons parts of your body will reveal BEFORE even being able to shoot.Sure not complete visibility,but still visible.

From personal observations, I can say with a 100% certainty that cloaked players can fire a couple of rounds before completely de-cloaking. Two nights ago, I killed a cloaked enemy scout who was firing on me, the scout did not finish de-cloaking until after I killed him. People don't often acknowledge just how bigsmall a deal this really is. Combine this broken mechanic with nova knifes, shotguns, plasma cannon, or the OP combat rifle and your opponent is dead before you actuallyfinish de-cloaking.

ANo mechanic needs to be created to hinder cloaks for being spotted and fired upon. This mechanic should not be too harsh in order to avoid punishing the cloaked player for getting hit by a stray bullet. Iron Wolf Saber went over this topic in his own thread. There is already the fact that the cloaker is visible and the shield flash effect when taking fire makes them an easier target for anyone else looking in the general direction of having them on-screen.

Cloaks are ALMOST perfect. They need a LITTLE more work. And it's funny how people overzealously disagree when toldtry to hard-nerf the cloak even while admitting that.

From personal observations, I can say with a 100% certainty that cloaked players can fire a couple of rounds before actually de-cloaking. Two nights ago, I killed a cloaked enemy scout who was firing on me, the scout did not de-cloak until after I killed him. People don't often acknowledge just how big a deal this really is. Combine this broken mechanic with nova knifes, shotguns, plasma cannon, or the OP combat rifle and your opponent is dead before you actually de-cloak.

A mechanic needs to be created to hinder cloaks for being spotted and fired upon. This mechanic should not be too harsh in order to avoid punishing the cloaked player for getting hit by a stray bullet. Iron Wolf Saber went over this topic in his own thread.

Cloaks are ALMOST perfect. They need a LITTLE more work. And it's funny how people overzealously disagree when told that.

Fixed that for you.

Fixed? Really? It looks like you shoved a bunch of words in my mouth; your words to be exact. They taste like rainbows incase you were wondering. *munch

I don't even understand why your so against the idea of having to actually fully de-cloak before shooting. If you properly snuck up on your target, they wont even notice you anyway. And you claim that it's a small deal for you, so why do you care?

The suggestions I shared can hardly be considered a hard-nerf as they don't effect players who are properly sneaking around with cloaks; only the cloaked idiots who rush their targets from the front would be adversely affected.Please explain how cloaks would be ruined forever if my suggestions were implemented? Do go on. Because if you can't, you are the perfect example of someone overzealously disagreeing to the point were you ignore logic and debate.

When I first started to notice it, I had my doubts; maybe the game malfunctioned, perhaps I'm getting old and my brain is delaying the information, perhaps I'm butt-hurt, etc.. But after my experience with that cloaked scout I mentioned, I was certain that cloaked players can fire their weapon before de-cloaking. Unfortunately I don't have the recording hardware to prove this is the case.

ahhh, no; as cloak would be useless at ~ all levels then; as cloaks wouldn't give you enough time to stalk an enemy or even retreat

The problem with cloaks are:

1). "Invisible" firing & NK

2). Effectiveness


Simple solutions:

1). Make cloak like in PS2, cant fire till fully uncloaked meaning 100% visible; which is around 1s; but its a instant appearance instead of "gradual"

2). Make the higher tier cloaks not only last long (don't mean increase duration, keep as it); but affect the shimmer. In sense, more shimmer on basic cloaks, etc; so skilling into the cloak is more then just duration. As this may also lessen the potency of miltia bpo shotty fittings w/ a basic cloak

It's possible that what you saw was a glitched cloaker. There are a couple of exploits by which a player can get themselves locked into a cloaked state without a time limit and with their weapon drawn. In that case, firing the weapon will begin the decloak animation.

Since this is an already-identified bug and in the process of being corrected, though, I wasn't actually factoring it into the discussion. I consider identified bugs not to be valid in balance arguments, and I sometimes forget about them during balance arguments because of that. Probably should have thought about it earlier and mentioned it as a possible explanation for what you saw.

Supposedly CCP just fixed this bug before my engagement with the scout occurred. But there is also the possibility that they did not fix the bug completely.