DUST Search - CLOAKS

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

medomai grey wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

I ALSO MUST ADMIT, i've only played 1.8 for two days, all that i say is from experience either ME using the cloak or people trying to use the cloak offensively against me.

Now, if you are 100 sure that is the case, then maybe it should be fixed.

No arguing there.

When I first started to notice it, I had my doubts; maybe the game malfunctioned, perhaps I'm getting old and my brain is delaying the information, perhaps I'm butt-hurt, etc.. But after my experience with that cloaked scout I mentioned, I was certain that cloaked players can fire their weapon before de-cloaking. Unfortunately I don't have the recording hardware to prove this is the case. Sad

It's possible that what you saw was a glitched cloaker. There are a couple of exploits by which a player can get themselves locked into a cloaked state without a time limit and with their weapon drawn. In that case, firing the weapon will begin the decloak animation.

Since this is an already-identified bug and in the process of being corrected, though, I wasn't actually factoring it into the discussion. I consider identified bugs not to be valid in balance arguments, and I sometimes forget about them during balance arguments because of that. Probably should have thought about it earlier and mentioned it as a possible explanation for what you saw.

I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )


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medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 500	Posted - 2014.04.03 04:04:00 - [1] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ''OMG you can switch weapons and shoot while cloaked?'' This is an exaggeration.IF you WATCH someone cloaked RUNNING towards you you will notice:While switching weapons the cloak already starts to fade, and not only while moving YOU ARE VISIBLE, but while switching weapons parts of your body will reveal BEFORE even being able to shoot.Sure not complete visibility,but still visible. From personal observations, I can say with a 100% certainty that cloaked players can fire a couple of rounds before actually de-cloaking. Two nights ago, I killed a cloaked enemy scout who was firing on me, the scout did not de-cloak until after I killed him. People don't often acknowledge just how big a deal this really is. Combine this broken mechanic with nova knifes, shotguns, plasma cannon, or the OP combat rifle and your opponent is dead before you actually de-cloak. A mechanic needs to be created to hinder cloaks for being spotted and fired upon. This mechanic should not be too harsh in order to avoid punishing the cloaked player for getting hit by a stray bullet. Iron Wolf Saber went over this topic in his own thread. Cloaks are ALMOST perfect. They need a LITTLE more work. And it's funny how people overzealously disagree when told that. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 501	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:58:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: medomai grey wrote: From personal observations, I can say with a 100% certainty that cloaked players can fire a couple of rounds before completely de-cloaking. Two nights ago, I killed a cloaked enemy scout who was firing on me, the scout did not finish de-cloaking until after I killed him. People don't often acknowledge just how ~~big~~small a deal this really is. Combine this ~~broken~~ mechanic with nova knifes, shotguns, plasma cannon, or the OP combat rifle and your opponent is dead before you ~~actually~~finish de-cloaking. ANo mechanic needs to be created to hinder cloaks for being spotted and fired upon. ~~This mechanic should not be too harsh in order to avoid punishing the cloaked player for getting hit by a stray bullet. Iron Wolf Saber went over this topic in his own thread.~~ There is already the fact that the cloaker is visible and the shield flash effect when taking fire makes them an easier target for anyone else looking in the general direction of having them on-screen. Cloaks are ALMOST perfect. They need a LITTLE more work. And it's funny how people overzealously ~~disagree when told~~try to hard-nerf the cloak even while admitting that. Fixed that for you. Fixed? Really? It looks like you shoved a bunch of words in my mouth; your words to be exact. They taste like rainbows incase you were wondering. munch I don't even understand why your so against the idea of having to actually fully de-cloak before shooting. If you properly snuck up on your target, they wont even notice you anyway. And you claim that it's a small deal for you, so why do you care? The suggestions I shared can hardly be considered a hard-nerf as they don't effect players who are properly sneaking around with cloaks; only the cloaked idiots who rush their targets from the front would be adversely affected.Please explain how cloaks would be ruined forever if my suggestions were implemented? Do go on. Because if you can't, you are the perfect example of someone overzealously disagreeing to the point were you ignore logic and debate. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )*
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 502	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:11:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I ALSO MUST ADMIT, i've only played 1.8 for two days, all that i say is from experience either ME using the cloak or people trying to use the cloak offensively against me. Now, if you are 100 sure that is the case, then maybe it should be fixed. No arguing there. When I first started to notice it, I had my doubts; maybe the game malfunctioned, perhaps I'm getting old and my brain is delaying the information, perhaps I'm butt-hurt, etc.. But after my experience with that cloaked scout I mentioned, I was certain that cloaked players can fire their weapon before de-cloaking. Unfortunately I don't have the recording hardware to prove this is the case. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 502	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:29:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: To long to quote. Fair enough. The jury is still deciding on the "facts" for some of us. I have a suspicion that it has to do with the difference in what a player sees and what another player observes about that player in game. Again, I don't have the hardware to prove this. The important thing we both acknowledge that there is a problem and it needs small fixes. Too big of a fix will break cloaks, and we want to avoid this also. And yes, rainbows are awesome. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 503	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:31:00 - [5] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: medomai grey wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I ALSO MUST ADMIT, i've only played 1.8 for two days, all that i say is from experience either ME using the cloak or people trying to use the cloak offensively against me. Now, if you are 100 sure that is the case, then maybe it should be fixed. No arguing there. When I first started to notice it, I had my doubts; maybe the game malfunctioned, perhaps I'm getting old and my brain is delaying the information, perhaps I'm butt-hurt, etc.. But after my experience with that cloaked scout I mentioned, I was certain that cloaked players can fire their weapon before de-cloaking. Unfortunately I don't have the recording hardware to prove this is the case. It's possible that what you saw was a glitched cloaker. There are a couple of exploits by which a player can get themselves locked into a cloaked state without a time limit and with their weapon drawn. In that case, firing the weapon will begin the decloak animation. Since this is an already-identified bug and in the process of being corrected, though, I wasn't actually factoring it into the discussion. I consider identified bugs not to be valid in balance arguments, and I sometimes forget about them during balance arguments because of that. Probably should have thought about it earlier and mentioned it as a possible explanation for what you saw. Supposedly CCP just fixed this bug before my engagement with the scout occurred. But there is also the possibility that they did not fix the bug completely. I've been told that people prefer fake smiles over the honest expressions of their fellow men. : )