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DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 545	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:45:00 - [1] - Quote Me and every other scout since up rising and before got our aces kicked by ccp for almost a year straight with all the changes they made and the 9 months of hell as we waited, it's been what, a week and you girls are crying like your best friend took your boyfriend to prom! Get over it, before you cry nerf, why don't you form as a group and buff everything else first instead of making the same mistake that was made going from chrome to uprising. What I mean is suck it up and wait for your buff like we did, balance everything to what we have now, stop nerfing crap before all the cards are on the table, cuz ccp will nerf scouts back to uprising , you'll cry respec and real scouts will still be kicking the crap out of you, you could take the cloak out of the game and we would still kick the crap out of you! Why? EWAR THAT'S WHY We use it , you don't , and 9 months of spinny scans pampered you. You have no ewar skills or mods cuz you maxed your damage. We all worried about being fast and hiding before damage an months ago we saved all our sp to build the perfect fit. I run 87 shields and 165 armor and cloak or no cloak I'll still shot gun your head off cuz I know where and where not to be, plain an simple we trained under horrid conditions for a year and all of a sudden were op with one more shield slot, a cloak and better base stats? News flash, the gallente has always had that much HP since bloody uprising, now it's got one more shield big whoop! What you need to do, is get better ewar stats on assaults, damage and a grenade, FIRST! Then once you see how that ballances then......... Cry your tears! Ccp will never balance this game if they keep nerfing instead of buffing. Leave the heavies for a bit and leave the scouts, buff the assaults into killing machines, people will always flock to what kills best then the nerfs come before everything is fixed before balancing it off of pre NERFED items, we need the community to ask ccp to do the opposite and stand by it. Let it pan out, before all drop suit refunds are ruined for everybody, I mean I have all 4 proto scouts so I could care less scouts will never be worse than uprising 1.2-1.7 So in my humble opinion fix the rest of the game before you create double the work and in needed back tracking. Then once everything has been given the once over, balance it from there. Thanks for reading and keep your foolish negativity to a minimum, I took the time to write this to create positivity and optimism for this game instead of push the negative feedback mercs are so quick to share, this attitude needs to be less commonly announced to make this a more successful game. Cheers Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
John Lengrios Horizons' Edge 5	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:48:00 - [2] - Quote Us scout were forged from the fires of hell(pre-1.8)!!! What I need to blow up a tank: some REs, a couple Flux 'Nades, and... a Flaylock.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 169	Posted - 2014.03.30 03:53:00 - [3] - Quote Explain how an assault suit can pick up a cloaked scout using passive scans without making the suit useless. The only suit that could get near that amount of scan precision and be somewhat effective is a proto gal suit. We have very bad stats for the ewar aspect of dust, we have to give up hitpoints to see where you are whereas scouts dont. Im cool with a scout having that abillity but assaults need a counter to the cloak. We cant pick you up on scans and even if we saw one guy in a cloak his buddy could be using a cloak and i could not notice him and get shottied.
Tectonic Fusion 1369	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:07:00 - [4] - Quote Us scouts from pre 1.8 LOL at the new "scouts." We know how to hide and counter nearly every tank, ranging from tanks, heavys, assaults, logis, and of course scouts. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
mollerz 3097	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:19:00 - [5] - Quote The biggest, and most important, take away from this post is EWAR is what makes cloaks work. If you had no EWAR, cloaks would be blind fighting the blind and are basically useless. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6401	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:22:00 - [6] - Quote Scout since March 25th AND PROUD!!!
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:23:00 - [7] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Me and every other scout since up rising and before got our aces kicked by ccp for almost a year straight with all the changes they made and the 9 months of hell as we waited, it's been what, a week and you girls are crying like your best friend took your boyfriend to prom! Get over it, before you cry nerf, why don't you form as a group and buff everything else first instead of making the same mistake that was made going from chrome to uprising. What I mean is suck it up and wait for your buff like we did, balance everything to what we have now, stop nerfing crap before all the cards are on the table, cuz ccp will nerf scouts back to uprising , you'll cry respec and real scouts will still be kicking the crap out of you, you could take the cloak out of the game and we would still kick the crap out of you! Why? EWAR THAT'S WHY We use it , you don't , and 9 months of spinny scans pampered you. You have no ewar skills or mods cuz you maxed your damage. We all worried about being fast and hiding before damage an months ago we saved all our sp to build the perfect fit. I run 87 shields and 165 armor and cloak or no cloak I'll still shot gun your head off cuz I know where and where not to be, plain an simple we trained under horrid conditions for a year and all of a sudden were op with one more shield slot, a cloak and better base stats? News flash, the gallente has always had that much HP since bloody uprising, now it's got one more shield big whoop! What you need to do, is get better ewar stats on assaults, damage and a grenade, FIRST! Then once you see how that ballances then......... Cry your tears! Ccp will never balance this game if they keep nerfing instead of buffing. Leave the heavies for a bit and leave the scouts, buff the assaults into killing machines, people will always flock to what kills best then the nerfs come before everything is fixed before balancing it off of pre NERFED items, we need the community to ask ccp to do the opposite and stand by it. Let it pan out, before all drop suit refunds are ruined for everybody, I mean I have all 4 proto scouts so I could care less scouts will never be worse than uprising 1.2-1.7 So in my humble opinion fix the rest of the game before you create double the work and in needed back tracking. Then once everything has been given the once over, balance it from there. Thanks for reading and keep your foolish negativity to a minimum, I took the time to write this to create positivity and optimism for this game instead of push the negative feedback mercs are so quick to share, this attitude needs to be less commonly announced to make this a more successful game. Cheers I've heard a rant like this before You sound like ******* tankers man. Watch your back because I might be there.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 170	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:25:00 - [8] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Us scouts from pre 1.8 LOL at the new "scouts." We know how to hide and counter nearly every tank, ranging from tanks, heavys, assaults, logis, and of course scouts. Echo 1991 wrote: We cant pick you up on scans and even if we saw one guy in a cloak his buddy could be using a cloak and i could not notice him and get shottied. Ask a loyal heavy to watch your six. And if the heavy dies or i cannot get a heavy, then what?
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 163	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:25:00 - [9] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Me and every other scout since up rising and before got our aces kicked by ccp for almost a year straight with all the changes they made and the 9 months of hell as we waited, it's been what, a week and you girls are crying like your best friend took your boyfriend to prom! Get over it, before you cry nerf, why don't you form as a group and buff everything else first instead of making the same mistake that was made going from chrome to uprising. What I mean is suck it up and wait for your buff like we did, balance everything to what we have now, stop nerfing crap before all the cards are on the table, cuz ccp will nerf scouts back to uprising , you'll cry respec and real scouts will still be kicking the crap out of you, you could take the cloak out of the game and we would still kick the crap out of you! Why? EWAR THAT'S WHY We use it , you don't , and 9 months of spinny scans pampered you. You have no ewar skills or mods cuz you maxed your damage. We all worried about being fast and hiding before damage an months ago we saved all our sp to build the perfect fit. I run 87 shields and 165 armor and cloak or no cloak I'll still shot gun your head off cuz I know where and where not to be, plain an simple we trained under horrid conditions for a year and all of a sudden were op with one more shield slot, a cloak and better. Cheers Ready? 1. Having a sub-par class prior to 1.8 is not excuse for having a cloak in 1.8 - the advantage it provides, the weaknesses it covers up are far too great. Saying that scouts deserve to be UP now because they were slightly under balanced before is not a valid argument. Its 1.8 now, your struggles before do not matter, what is being discussed is how great are cloaks making bad players, how much cloaks are providing to these players, and how unfair/unrequited a cloak is. CCP recognized scouts were struggling (not everyone was struggling) and provided them with an extra low/high slot, two more scout classes (increase class role, flexibility, adaptability and strength) and a second equipment slot (i be it to either use a cloak, or not). So scouts got a boost in 1.8 without a cloak. The cloak was not necessary to make scouts viable, most scouts were fine prior to cloaks and there's nothing wrong with a high risk high reward class based on skillful gameplay. If you're not skilled, you should struggle. 2. cloaks cover up for poor judgment and awareness in hacking, climbing, selecting wrong targets, selecting too many targets, running across open terrain, poor flanking, and camping. The cloak rewards bad decisions and bad gameplay by limiting the opportunity for a player to be punished for his poor gameplay by simply turning on his crutch (his cloak) and doing whatever he wants. Sure, players can be killed, hit, found but a cloak lessens this chance and while decreasing the need for map awareness, and strategy. So defensively, the cloak is a powerhouse. It allows poor gameplay and rewards players by allowing them to accomplish things faster (listed above). It is also less time consuming for scouts which increases the reward of using one. 2b) so defensively the cloaks is amazing, but offensively it is also amazing. As discussed, the cloak allows players who make poor decisions in pathing, movement, flanking, selecting targets to gain the upper hand in the majority of situations based strictly on their cloak. There is no skill required to get on top of someone, or get the jump on someone.. Instead one simply selects a cloak and rushes to the front lines to find a target. There is no need to be strategic because a cloak provides an immediate advantage whiteout skill. Offensively, it takes minimum effort and skill to provide a strong advantage. Skilled play furthers this advantage. 3. cloaking covers up major flaws in a scouts game. It simply doesn't make up for the lack of eHP of the suit, the suit is suppose to be fast and fragile. The skill of a scout is using movement, strategy, and thought when selectively choosing a gun fight. This is not to say that scouts should be slayers, this is not to say scouts shouldn't be a viable class. What a scout can be is determined by the skill of the player in choosing his spots carefully and making correct decisions. As discussed in 2b) skilled gameplay furthers an advantage, but in reality the cloak is not required. A skill scout can sneak up (and has been sneaking up on players since i started in open beta). It's not like all of a sudden cloaks made scouts be able to sneak up on people, instead it just provided an easy button. So instead of rewarding skill, it covers up the lack of skillful movement and positioning. And any single item which decreases the skill required so dramatically is a crutch and OP by the very nature of its definition. A good scouts doesnt need a cloak when his positioning and gameplay is skilled, thought out and selective. Which means a cloak is not required, it means it is useless and a crutch which supports bad decisions. So we've discussed scouts had a boost without needing cloaks, and that scouts were viable before the boosts and maybe not having an easy mode button is a good thing for a game or a class. We discussed defensive and offensive advantages for cloak users, we've discussed how cloaks reward bad gameplay and how scouts were not being punished for bad decisions and how cloaks are low risk and high reward. I'm very sure all your arguments for a cloak are invalid. You seem to be a **** player before the 1.8 patch and all of a sudden things turned around for you and you became the new Logi slayer 2.0 and love it. Isn't that the problem?! A simple cloak has turned a whole bunch of bad to mediocre players into viable slayers dominating a match by killing opponents and charging the front lines to rack up kills. You're stupid stupid arguments are just bullshit. You are just happy you don't suck anymore.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2076	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:32:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah its quite impressive how you can kill somone with a shotty from cloak Your entire OP simply says: Now that I have a crutch its ok. The Galente scout suit is OP compared to the current medium suits. There is no other suit in the game that even comes close to its flexibility and its ability to do any infantry role short of Forgegunning, and indeedn at a level thats close to or indeed better than the original suit intended for those roles. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 163	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:35:00 - [11] - Quote I forgot to mention, but was mentioned in a post above mine. You sound like tankers 2.0 - deny deny deny. Nothing is wrong with rewarding **** gameplay and making scout UP by simply turning on their easy mode button. And you said in my humble opinion... Which is hilarious because its neither honest, objective, thought out, valid or by any means is as detailed as mine is. Take 5 minutes to read my text blocks, let me lay some knowledge on you young scout. Let me show you that scouts before had no reason to use a cloak to sneak up on foes or be viable or downright dominate the battlefield. I would live a reply, but don't worry. I've been posting comments about cloaks for 4 days now and not a single person can bring up a reason or even justify why cloaks were used. If you want to use their "reasoning" please feel free to answer in the following manners: "Eye are OP", "get good", "they help me be great" or my favourite "eve has cloaks". There is no reason to have an easy button which lessens risk, provides high rewards and has 0 drawbacks to using. Activate run towards front lines, slay foes, repeat until you are 13-4.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 251	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:44:00 - [12] - Quote Logis can run a cloak too, or did we forget about this.....You QQers are saying the cloak is a crutch. Well I say the opposite. I've noticed a lot of people running the cloak have it in their head they are completely invisible and run that LOL 300 HP suit straight at me. Needless to say they die. Look at it this way, if it is a crutch you are getting killed by a gimped/crippled/handicapped suit when the crutch is not active. WOW! You have no skill and people are using a handicapped suit to give you a chance Let that sink in for a bit LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
mollerz 3098	Posted - 2014.03.30 04:53:00 - [13] - Quote Cotsy- You need to get outside and get some fresh air, man. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 38	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:03:00 - [14] - Quote The cloak needs to have the decloak tweaked slightly by other than that I don't see it as a bad thing I have been runnin it on my minmatar assault with fairly decent results. Not to say that I didn't do good beforehand however it makes flanking simpler and with a minmatar assault suit it just makes sense to do it be cause of the suits shortcomings. If you think scouts are Op wih cloaks then you should seriously consider he fact that most any suit can fit it, tanks can't claim that and neither could slayer logis. I think cloaks are a good addition to this game and reward good flanking and maneuver more than bad gameplay.
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 549	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:24:00 - [15] - Quote I can't even quote the mad guy with the great wall of china post, I'm not defending cloaks, take it out of the game for all I care I'm happy with my new stats and slots, I'm saying stop nerfing crap and whining until other things are buffed instead of nerfing then buffing everything else and destroying spend sp to accommodate the tears, make everyone happy . Scouts got there db dropped to 35, assaults db is what 50? Percision mods are 20 dampeners are 25, that means your fakked! So make stationary deployable decloaking equipment that can be fluxed, increase a assault db to 40/45, and have another look at the percision vs damp math an maybe tweak mods before you ask ccp to destroy something they took 9 months to fix and if it takes 6 months for your buff than be a man and wait, instead of putting on a skirt and crying. Everyone takes a a$$ kicking turn in this game and people gotta man up an take it or quit. I don't likegetting ghost shottied either, of having some prick gltch the game and shoot me while cloaked, but we man up an take it an patiently wait, but cry buff not nerf. All I'm trying to say Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 549	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:25:00 - [16] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: I forgot to mention, but was mentioned in a post above mine. You sound like tankers 2.0 - deny deny deny. Nothing is wrong with rewarding **** gameplay and making scout UP by simply turning on their easy mode button. And you said in my humble opinion... Which is hilarious because its neither honest, objective, thought out, valid or by any means is as detailed as mine is. Take 5 minutes to read my text blocks, let me lay some knowledge on you young scout. Let me show you that scouts before had no reason to use a cloak to sneak up on foes or be viable or downright dominate the battlefield. I can also add cloaks diminish another scout skill, the ability when a target is selected that you must close the gap in order to kill it. So not being spotted by positioning and angles is very important but not for cloaks. So SG and NK are far more likely to be rewarded for their bad gameplay than before. But i guess thats why so many scouts love cloaks, they couldn't hack it before and love easy mode, it makes the game far more enjoyable when you are successful than struggling. I would live a reply, but don't worry. I've been posting comments about cloaks for 4 days now and not a single person can bring up a reason or even justify why cloaks were used. If you want to use their "reasoning" please feel free to answer in the following manners: "Eye are OP", "get good", "they help me be great" or my favourite "eve has cloaks". There is no reason to have an easy button which lessens risk, provides high rewards and has 0 drawbacks to using. Activate run towards front lines, slay foes, repeat until you are 13-4. I can't even quote the mad guy with the great wall of china post, I'm not defending cloaks, take it out of the game for all I care I'm happy with my new stats and slots, I'm saying stop nerfing crap and whining until other things are buffed instead of nerfing then buffing everything else and destroying spend sp to accommodate the tears, make everyone happy . Scouts got there db dropped to 35, assaults db is what 50? Percision mods are 20 dampeners are 25, that means your fakked! So make stationary deployable decloaking equipment that can be fluxed, increase a assault db to 40/45, and have another look at the percision vs damp math an maybe tweak mods before you ask ccp to destroy something they took 9 months to fix and if it takes 6 months for your buff than be a man and wait, instead of putting on a skirt and crying. Everyone takes a a$$ kicking turn in this game and people gotta man up an take it or quit. I don't likegetting ghost shottied either, of having some prick gltch the game and shoot me while cloaked, but we man up an take it an patiently wait, but cry buff not nerf. All I'm trying to say, this goes for you too Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2488	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Nobody cares about ewar. It's cloak shotguns and light-assaults that are broken. Complain as much as you like about UP scouts, but never had another suit been able to replicate another's role without sacrifice relative to the intended suit's role. ak.0 4 LYFE CCP GIB LANCE TURRET PLOX LET ME MELEE PEOPLE WITH MY STEED
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 1180	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:44:00 - [18] - Quote Scanners are broken, let them be fixed and let loose the Gallente logi horde. I can put 3 on an advanced and then will scanz for ISK If they get them to "working as intended" and then its still a major problem then some balancing needs to be done. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Cogadh Draco WarRavens League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2014.03.30 05:47:00 - [19] - Quote I agree with Costie's explanation on the in/out of the cloaking ability. Personally I only ever knew of maybe around five or six memorable scouts(and a couple Minmatar Logis) that could pick 'n choose their targets in a dangerous situation, and shame the best of players WITHOUT cloak. Otherwise the rest just tried to throw a detpack at me or rush me in the open without a forethought of strategy. Yet now that cloak is available, even a burk can sneak up and kill professionals like as if we just recently started the game... I'm not saying all forms of cloaking is idiocy based skill, there are good scouts/opportunists. However, when you see memorable scouts that were crap at getting kills or WPs suddenly outscore everyone else because of cloak... Yeah you know it's gonna get overused and be used as an easy mode crutch...
mollerz 3099	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:06:00 - [20] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Nobody cares about ewar. lol You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1364	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:20:00 - [21] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Logis can run a cloak too, or did we forget about this..... The logi's bonus applying to cloaks is on the bug list. I suspect that cloaked Logis will not be something that is seen outside a crazy occasional test suit in going forwards. Cogadh Draco wrote: Cloak is a pretty neat feature, and it'll take time for the overusage of cloak to go down, but until then here we forums lurkers remain upon this subject lol. Perhaps you forget how this community functions. Once people figure out that something is OP they rush to it like dogs after cat poop and they stick with it until it is nerfed. Cloaked scouts won't "die down" just like Tanks or TAR didn't "die down." The only way to bring sanity back is for CCP to make a change to either scouts or anyone else. To the OP: Just because you were UP doesn't mean you deserve to be OP. Also, my cup is prepped for your sweet sweet "I just got nerfed tears." It is filling with tanker tears right now but I'll drink it down and make some room. Fun > Realism
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 168	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:26:00 - [22] - Quote Cogadh Draco wrote: I agree with Costie's explanation on the in/out of the cloaking ability. Personally I only ever knew of maybe around five or six memorable scouts(and a couple Minmatar Logis) that could pick 'n choose their targets in a dangerous situation, and shame the best of players WITHOUT cloak. Otherwise the rest just tried to throw a detpack at me or rush me in the open without a forethought of strategy. Yet now that cloak is available, even a burk can sneak up and kill professionals like as if we just recently started the game... I'm not saying all forms of cloaking is idiocy based skill, there are good scouts/opportunists. However, when you see memorable scouts that were crap at getting kills or WPs suddenly outscore everyone else because of cloak... Yeah you know it's gonna get overused and be used as an easy mode crutch... Hell, I've already heard of certain Corps throwing in a 10+ man/woman scout/cloak runners for PCs while the other few are just cannon fodder for the cloakers to go back stabbing the people gunning for 'em... Cloak is a pretty neat feature, and it'll take time for the overusage of cloak to go down, but until then here we forums lurkers remain upon this subject lol. I am having a blast with cloaks, i am not saying they aren't fun, i am having so much fun doing well but at whose expense? I strongly believe the game biggest error is matchmaking balance (i like a tier system based on WP/SP), i believe a multi tier system would solve many problems in dust including new player experience and ability to defend against Proto stomps. After matchmaking, class/weapon balance should be a priority. That means balancing assaults (lots of great threads with good suggestions), keeping sniping viable (commandos people, use em), fixing vehicle domination (this will come gradually), and finally helping real logi's. I like adding +1 nades to assault and having maybe rof + reload on assaults to make them viable killers but not to the power of a commando or you can start playing around with mod boosts. I don't like new Logi nerf's, instead I would just have made each Logi race has a set equipment slot which had to be used for their class' unique equipment. Scouts should lose cloaks. That should balance the classes. Weapons are fairly balanced. Some say HMG is slightly strong, but i think that was the plan.
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 168	Posted - 2014.03.30 06:40:00 - [23] - Quote Simple solution, require more sacrifice fitting wise to use a cloak. Cut all cpu and pg on scouts by a decent amount. Give scouts a flat fitting bonus to ewar equipment. Cloaks become harder to fitfit with ehp. Brick tanking gets harder, every other scout role is roughly unaffected.
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 553	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:19:00 - [24] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: Simple solution, require more sacrifice fitting wise to use a cloak. Cut all cpu and pg on scouts by a decent amount. Give scouts a flat fitting bonus to ewar equipment. Cloaks become harder to fitfit with ehp. Brick tanking gets harder, every other scout role is roughly unaffected. You insane? No just fix everything else! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 553	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:26:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Logis can run a cloak too, or did we forget about this..... The logi's bonus applying to cloaks is on the bug list. I suspect that cloaked Logis will not be something that is seen outside a crazy occasional test suit in going forwards. Cogadh Draco wrote: Cloak is a pretty neat feature, and it'll take time for the overusage of cloak to go down, but until then here we forums lurkers remain upon this subject lol. Perhaps you forget how this community functions. Once people figure out that something is OP they rush to it like dogs after cat poop and they stick with it until it is nerfed. Cloaked scouts won't "die down" just like Tanks or TAR didn't "die down." The only way to bring sanity back is for CCP to make a change to either scouts or anyone else. To the OP: Just because you were UP doesn't mean you deserve to be OP. Also, my cup is prepped for your sweet sweet "I just got nerfed tears." It is filling with tanker tears right now but I'll drink it down and make some room. Nerf it all you want, take the cloak out of the game I ll be a scout either way, your just proving how stupid the player base can be by backing constant nerfs an wrecking the game instead of backing buff and asking for counter measures, apparently your too ignorant to understand the original post. Thank you for proving my point Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
nelo kazuma Da Short Buss Driving School 11	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:32:00 - [26] - Quote You sir get my like lol i made a post similiar to this and you are right peeps try diversity becausr there is no longer a flavor of the month to spam or ruin everything has its counter so quit knocking scouts or tanks or dropships or heavys try new tactics this is a online game eveeyone shouldnt be running all the same gear.
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 553	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:37:00 - [27] - Quote nelo kazuma wrote: You sir get my like lol i made a post similiar to this and you are right peeps try diversity becausr there is no longer a flavor of the month to spam or ruin everything has its counter so quit knocking scouts or tanks or dropships or heavys try new tactics this is a online game eveeyone shouldnt be running all the same gear. This game has so many babies in it, that in real life I would be suprised if most of them don't get punched out once a month. Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
nelo kazuma Da Short Buss Driving School 11	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:07:00 - [28] - Quote Quotsy 8 Your arguement is valid in allot of ways there are fauls to it. As it stood befor scouts regardless of how high stealth skill were easily detectable which is why they nerfed scanners so on top of being fragile being detected all but assured there death. The main issue which most people are having is scouts not decloaking immediantly when switched to a weapon which again is one of the many new glitches to 1.8 and by far the most noted because its the thing most people are experiencing the a difficult battle but hey scout are meant to be stealthy hence 1 of there roles 2 as there name suggests they are intel units me and a buddy he running a cal scout which has high scan radius at proto which it should -.- he was able to detect enemies for squad scanner me and him running basic defeated 7 or 8 adv( two of which were scouts) level enemies he cloaking when he took to much damage. Besides the cloaking glitch there is nothing wrong as the scouts stand not they still are as fragile as ever but there stealth is finally what it should b. This is a team based game a well organized squad and it wont matter the enemy scout or heavy or vehichle people running off by themselves of course going to be the first targets for scouts and if u have your back all turned with your group no one covering the rear then umm yea in a real war youd be dead on the spot.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 326	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:21:00 - [29] - Quote I really do not understand the problem with clack shotgun scouts. Bads are only marginally more difficult to handle, while good scouts aren't really much more effective as they're using EXACTLY the same skills and techniques as pre-cloak; they just don't have to get killed by optimistic rifle spray at 100m as frequently now. If you get shotgunned in the back or side, what difference did the cloak really make? If you get shotgunned head-on, ain't nobody's fault but yours.
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 553	Posted - 2014.03.30 10:23:00 - [30] - Quote The Eristic wrote: I really do not understand the problem with clack shotgun scouts. Bads are only marginally more difficult to handle, while good scouts aren't really much more effective as they're using EXACTLY the same skills and techniques as pre-cloak; they just don't have to get killed by optimistic rifle spray at 100m as frequently now. If you get shotgunned in the back or side, what difference did the cloak really make? If you get shotgunned head-on, ain't nobody's fault but yours. I like you Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!



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