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Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:23:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 1280	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:27:00 - [2] - Quote QQ The Metalhead Mercenary
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3620	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 826	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:32:00 - [4] - Quote Its annoying but acceptable in my opinion. Toss down an RE next time and blow them up either before or after you die . Either way bye bye heavy...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:33:00 - [5] - Quote Something definetly needs to be done In nearly every match i play theres a few heavys driving around. If were going to allow this then why not give heavies scout speeds that would be just as balenced
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:34:00 - [6] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:39:00 - [7] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:42:00 - [8] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Tank 514 and REs Oh boy Av dosent count because its nerfed and broken, especially in 1.8 with the heavy buff and av nerf.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1594	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:44:00 - [9] - Quote I agree. Oh the excuses that the sefenders come up with. It makes too much sense that a heavy should have to get a lift. Oh well, take away the scrub's crutchGÇª "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 244	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:46:00 - [10] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them You only feel this way cause you leave yourself open to it and you dont take the time to think about the weaknesses. Heavies are super vulnerable when they dont look both ways before crossing the street and now you are too. Before you say it yes I heavy LAV and yes I have had it done to me. Honestly if you put up enough fight to take out our shields most of us will run off, we are doing it from laziness after all. Toss a a grenade and back off a little to take away the advantage he had previously gained and you will be just fine if you got game.

MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:47:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Tank 514 and REs Oh boy Av dosent count because its nerfed and broken, especially in 1.8 with the heavy buff and av nerf. I was not referring to AV nor tanks, legit infantry vs infantry tactics. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:47:00 - [12] - Quote I personally would like to see animations for entering vehicles so you cant run up to one and teleport inside to instant safety such as heavies and their lav instantly exiting and reentering their lav.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:48:00 - [13] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Tank 514 and REs Oh boy Av dosent count because its nerfed and broken, especially in 1.8 with the heavy buff and av nerf. I was not referring to AV nor tanks, legit infantry vs infantry tactics. So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 221	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:55:00 - [14] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 226	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:56:00 - [15] - Quote Why is it no one ever tries to make a legitimate argument anymore? Always stating a problem and then asking everyone else to come up with reasons why or why not and then disagreeing with them. Why not come up with a good reason, like "They have really large stubby hands so they should have issues when controlling vehicles" Kind of like the argument why Heavies should have issues with Light weapons, longer reloads because the clips are small compared to their hands. But then the commando argument that they have the same frame comes up. More words, but I already gave all my flux. PvE 2014
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3621	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:57:00 - [16] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them So you never shot a heavy out of a LAV with a headshot? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 607	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:07:00 - [17] - Quote Run directly at the LAV, side-stepping it slightly. Now continue to run to the other side of the lav as the heavy (if you have Mouse/keyboard you can hack it at the same time.) Run over the heavy with his own vehicle. BTW, video of this occuring = 1 mil isk from me. =) While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2522	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:12:00 - [18] - Quote Counter question: why are 300KG heavy weight people allowed to drive a car? Because otherwise they couldnt even move outside to their next MC donalds/burger king/KFC. Same is with heavy dropsuits. In order for them to be aible to keep up with medium/light frame suits they have to use a LAV. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Rusty Shallows 1178	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:23:00 - [19] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I agree. Oh the excuses that the sefenders come up with. It makes too much sense that a heavy should have to get a lift. Oh well, take away the scrub's crutchGÇª If you cannot handle simple tactics then you're going to hate Uprisng 1.8 As for the topic at hand. This is a vehicle centered game, it has been since December. Everyone needs to adapt to that. The only thing really needed is some realism. Trading the Teleport-System for Acess-Points and simple boarding/exiting animations. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 374	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:32:00 - [20] - Quote Kay, but if heavies can't drive LAV's, then... Scouts are supposed to scout things, so all guns scouts equip should be replaced with binoculars. So they can scout. Logis are supposed to logi things, so whatever gun a logi equips will be replaced by a rep tool. So they can logi. Assaults are supposed to assault things, so they shouldn't be able to carry equipment, that's the logi's job. See, us heavies can play the non-logic game too! You can kill an LAV with pretty much anything, so why complain about them? It's not particularly difficult to flux+pewpew an LAV to death. Fat guy stays in car, he dies with car, he gets out, you shoot him in the head. It's not rocket surgery folks.

Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 77	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:32:00 - [21] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I agree. Oh the excuses that the sefenders come up with. It makes too much sense that a heavy should have to get a lift. Oh well, take away the scrub's crutchGÇª The real scrub crutches are 800+ ehp prototype logistics suits. Nubs running around in heavy suits with rifles are just a symptom of the problem, not a problem in and of themselves. "Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
Rusty Shallows 1178	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:35:00 - [22] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: snip So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 40-0 you say. Odd. All the top 30+ kills tend to be with the best four rifles of Dust 514 and even they die a few times. I would like to know where this kind of score came from and who is achieving it. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:40:00 - [23] - Quote Then they need to either hoof it or call shotgun! If i cant run around with a light suit and chain gun then they shouldn't be able to drive, and don't say anything about light sunts arn't strong enough to carry so and so, where does the heavy put his chain gun. And heaveys are slow yea but they can still run.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3624	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:42:00 - [24] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Then they need to either hoof it or call shotgun! If i cant run around with a light suit and chain gun then they shouldn't be able to drive, and don't say anything about light sunts arn't strong enough to carry so and so, where does the heavy put his chain gun. And heaveys are slow yea but they can still run. So to keep you from dying to heavies in LAVs, all heavies should be kept from operating a LAV, just so you can get killed by a medium in a LAV? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 229	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:44:00 - [25] - Quote Light suits aren't strong enough to carry so and so. (Please learn to spell) PvE 2014
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:54:00 - [26] - Quote What I mean is the game needs so veil of balance. I like to be fair, really if things were my way, light suits would be the only thing that could pilot crap, but there would be a buch of vrap with that. People keep saying taking out heaveys is easy, ok, what if you only have milita gear and the heavey has proto or ADv gear? U do **** to them, I dont care how u dance around. Also I think heaveys shouldn't be allowed to drive they can still ride shotgun or (god helpme) man a turret. And again, give me a reason why a super heavy suit can get into a pilot seat but my assault suit can't use a chain gun or forge gun, this is all VERY fair . And if anyone says "deal with it" u don' t have to DEAL with crappy unfairness.
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:59:00 - [27] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Light suits aren't strong enough to carry so and so. (Please learn to spell) And Heavey suits are to fat and cumbersome to drive or pilot, not a good excuse for why things have to contiue as they are.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1830	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:01:00 - [28] - Quote It kind of makes a zero sense. A heavy has the pros of massive HP and HMG that kills anything within 30m. Their cons are slowness and range. Both easily solved with an LAV. It kind of does defeat the purpose... But, it's no different than a guy wearing a dropsuit that has 1200 shields, 4000 armor with a hardener, is immune to all handheld weapons except 3, and has unlimited stamina with a top sprint of 20m/sec.... all while carry a gun that does a 105 base damage at 400 rpm I ain't got time for dat sh!t
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1857	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:09:00 - [29] - Quote Heavies should be allowed to drive just like everyone else. However, dropsuit mass should be added into the equations for acceleration, handling and top speed. In addition to entrance/exit animations for all vehicles. The reason that it pisses people off really boils down to one thing, at least I know it does for me. The fact that you can pull up, teleport out of your vehicle, mow down a reddot or five before you're in deep armor and then teleport back into your vehicle only to speed away. I doubt people would have as much of a ***** about it if the transition wasn't instant and there was a wave of opportunity available. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3629	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:21:00 - [30] - Quote Shavan D wrote: What I mean is the game needs so veil of balance. I like to be fair, really if things were my way, light suits would be the only thing that could pilot crap, but there would be a buch of vrap with that. People keep saying taking out heaveys is easy, ok, what if you only have milita gear and the heavey has proto or ADv gear? U do **** to them, I dont care how u dance around. Also I think heaveys shouldn't be allowed to drive they can still ride shotgun or (god helpme) man a turret. And again, give me a reason why a super heavy suit can get into a pilot seat but my assault suit can't use a chain gun or forge gun, this is all VERY fair . And if anyone says "deal with it" u don' t have to DEAL with crappy unfairness. You have to understand that not everything in New Eden is built upon fairness. Mostly 98 percent of it isn't fair. It's about what we do about it. It doesn't take long for you to skill into some standard suit that is a bit better offering than MLT gear. On the other side of this coin, if you start taking on heavies, you will learn something invaluable that you will use later on as you increase in SP and skill in general. From my perspective, I don't like giving them the satisfaction. Trust me, I get pissed off too dealing with a heavy that just rolled up on me like some trigger happy SWAT team but I can't give them the satisfaction. Increase awareness of your surroundings so that you make sure you're in a good position as best as you possibly can. As explained before, assault suit cannot use a HMG or FG due to both heating problems, CPU and PG. The first is more lore based since it is explained the heavy suit is designed to handle more force than mediums. You have to think some of things out to find your answer. If a assault player was able to carry a HMG and FORGE, then what in the world could the infantry attack when they have a slow moving assault guy trying to get to an objective and defend it? You're no longer assault. Also, the PG and CPU it takes to run a HMG would gimp your medium suit. It's like a 3 year old girl holding a SAW. About fairness. I don't know what to tell you about that. New Eden isn't fair. This isn't your after school game where fairness is its main priority. But hopefully that understanding will come when you mature in your game. Cause I really don't know what to say to that besides what my coach used to say, "Throw some dirt on it and get back on that field". It's time to man up, musk up, put up or shut up. I rather beat them at their own game than for them having to handicap something for me. That victory just isn't a victory that way. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

Jack Boost Zarena Family 334	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:56:00 - [31] - Quote So you play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew. Now you saw heavy that kill you. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove heavys ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... You spoted a TANK that kill you.. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove tanks ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... and you saw dropship.. that kill you... now way to repeat this again.... 1. If you specialise only to kill infantry - you have bear with this that vehicles (heavy in vehicle?) kill you. Everyone die here. If you/your squad/your team dont kill once solo heavy in lav (40-0 - remeber) then you have a lot to learn and change. 2. Play as heavy - now tell me how you supposted to catch 'dynamic' battle firld? (yes you have always option - wait in one place - good for ambush only) 3. Play as heavy - and use your heavy weapon. Now tell me how good you are vs infantry. How much you EHP and speed, no eq, big frame etc (toons of cons) helps. 4. Now back to your game ... and play Tip - use AV grenades or flux
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:07:00 - [32] - Quote U know that alot of the crap thats not fair comes for Eve being un regulated and also ITS a game. U can make crap fair, hell in even in Eve can a carrier stealth? I've played Eve but not long enough to know if that last statement is true or not, if it is f that crap. I know not everything can be fair but for crap sake. Aiming is hard enough seeing as aiming with the mouse is beyond better u can turn 4x as fast while with the controler u can never react as fast. All i',m saying is that guys who are already hard to kill have a fair limit, let not being able to drive be the evlent of mid and light suits not having accesess to their gear. Note. when i refer to heavies i mean heavies with chain and forge guns
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:18:00 - [33] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: So you play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew. Now you saw heavy that kill you. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove heavys ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... You spoted a TANK that kill you.. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove tanks ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... and you saw dropship.. that kill you... now way to repeat this again.... 1. If you specialise only to kill infantry - you have bear with this that vehicles (heavy in vehicle?) kill you. Everyone die here. If you/your squad/your team dont kill once solo heavy in lav (40-0 - remeber) then you have a lot to learn and change. 2. Play as heavy - now tell me how you supposted to catch 'dynamic' battle firld? (yes you have always option - wait in one place - good for ambush only) 3. Play as heavy - and use your heavy weapon. Now tell me how good you are vs infantry. How much you EHP and speed, no eq, big frame etc (toons of cons) helps. 4. Now back to your game ... and play Tip - use AV grenades or flux Unless u spec into av ya can't do crap aginst a vehical that will just run away and with how broken vehicals are right now they will just run back. Then u have a heavy with a chain or forg gun who can get to places it shouldn't, can't get to with out help, alone. The game is broken, we all know it. I started playing along time ago when dropships were esier to fly and missles could fire from the top of towers. Not saying nerf anything, just saying be fair, the game isn't that good where half the issue u face is ur own skill. Half the issue is the game mechanics themselves.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 487	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:25:00 - [34] - Quote Or add a disembark animation that's longer based on your movement speed. So you get a second or two headstart shooting the fatty as he wiggles out. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 62	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:26:00 - [35] - Quote Racism. Heavy should drive LAV same as every class else. They got same as everybody: 2 hands and 2 legs. And big fat belly . Next time take few squadmates with You on open areas. I'm not saying that I never died due crazy killer taxi but it happened when I was alone. Change tactics next time. I understand that there are players with small sp amount and they can't be one man army like vets. I see topic is going for QQ about heavy with light weapons anyway... No eq slot, slower movement, slower tracking speed, heavy can't jump, has bigger hit zone, poor detection...
CTH 80 2 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:35:00 - [36] - Quote Can I get at least in to a dropship?? Let me guess, no, I am too fat and the dropship will not be able to take off from the ground. :P
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:42:00 - [37] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Racism. Heavy should drive LAV same as every class else. They got same as everybody: 2 hands and 2 legs. And big fat belly . Next time take few squadmates with You on open areas. I'm not saying that I never died due crazy killer taxi but it happened when I was alone. Change tactics next time. I understand that there are players with small sp amount and they can't be one man army like vets. I see topic is going for QQ about heavy with light weapons anyway... No eq slot, slower movement, slower tracking speed, heavy can't jump, has bigger hit zone, poor detection... Change tatics, chn age tatics....one time me and a buch of other guys were on a tower, a dropship came in, there was no way to change gear. Cause how dumb this game is none of us can tell a single heavey alone-didnt get a drop off, come chain guniing out. The game doesn't give out any way to comunicate unless u have head phones, no way to alert ur team if u spot someone flaking, and shooting doesnt reveal an enmmy if they get hit. The chain gunner on the tower takes 2 of out, by the time we realizes it we turn and fire, our smgs do f nothing cuss we all got milita and he had adv gear. F this game. How is it that people can use logic and say "Heavey can use big weapons becuss bla bla" but the other class cant, but then its unfair when i use logic and say heaveies cant do such and such. shh, people are ineradicable. And the tower thing, know what ur going to say ""should have been more aware," no the game needs better controles so u can react to situations better.
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:48:00 - [38] - Quote CTH 80 2 wrote: Can I get at least in to a dropship?? Let me guess, no, I am too fat and the dropship will not be able to take off from the ground. :P I THINK HEAVIES CAN STILL GET TRASPORTED I JUST DONT THINK THEY SHOULD GET TO HARD TO REACH PLACES ALONe. Everyone tends to say u should have tatics , have teamwork and group up. Well, have tatics, grouo up, have team work. If 5 heavey drop on my head with chain guns then so be it, but can the pilot not hop out with a 6th chaingun. Is that to much to ask. Also i hate this bs people keep giving me about heaves being able to drive but the oither suits cant use the big guns, f that, heaveys might be sow but they have more armor.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 335	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:52:00 - [39] - Quote Note: i'm most of time lone-wolf, and I get anyting that this game give me... and I play same game as you (OP) I can be average here .. so you can too. I change tactict as I should , and I help you more... Why I cant use LARGE RAIL that HAV use on my dropsuit. I can put some PG/CPU upgrades and I can shoot over 400m. WHY CCP TELL ME WHY!
Jack Boost Zarena Family 335	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:57:00 - [40] - Quote Also 1.8 bring you more sorrow. Light weapon nerf (ttk issue) and more av nerf make murder taxi more valid and.... (not)fun due HMG stays same and heavy suit get resists. Start run twice fast as now. CU

KGB Sleep 882	Posted - 2014.03.21 08:59:00 - [41] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Or an RE, which is a lot funnier than a tank. Because beer, that's why.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 223	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:06:00 - [42] - Quote Simple solution, make there be a delay of around 2 seconds when entering/exiting vehicles. Also anytime a vehicle gets near you it should Immediately show on your damn tacnet!
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 63	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:10:00 - [43] - Quote Shavan D wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Racism. Heavy should drive LAV same as every class else. They got same as everybody: 2 hands and 2 legs. And big fat belly . Next time take few squadmates with You on open areas. I'm not saying that I never died due crazy killer taxi but it happened when I was alone. Change tactics next time. I understand that there are players with small sp amount and they can't be one man army like vets. I see topic is going for QQ about heavy with light weapons anyway... No eq slot, slower movement, slower tracking speed, heavy can't jump, has bigger hit zone, poor detection... Change tatics, chn age tatics....one time me and a buch of other guys were on a tower, a dropship came in, there was no way to change gear. Cause how dumb this game is none of us can tell a single heavey alone-didnt get a drop off, come chain guniing out. The game doesn't give out any way to comunicate unless u have head phones, no way to alert ur team if u spot someone flaking, and shooting doesnt reveal an enmmy if they get hit. The chain gunner on the tower takes 2 of out, by the time we realizes it we turn and fire, our smgs do f nothing cuss we all got milita and he had adv gear. F this game. How is it that people can use logic and say "Heavey can use big weapons becuss bla bla" but the other class cant, but then its unfair when i use logic and say heaveies cant do such and such. shh, people are ineradicable. And the tower thing, know what ur going to say ""should have been more aware," no the game needs better controles so u can react to situations better. Give my heavy eq slot and take light weapons off. I think most of dedicated heavies will go for that.
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5300	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:12:00 - [44] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Movement -used- to be a tactic to use against heavies but they removed the turn speed caps on them. They can shift around as fast as a scout now. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 170	Posted - 2014.03.21 09:15:00 - [45] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... AV.... Oh wait... Story of the Merc
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 239	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:14:00 - [46] - Quote I love how scrubs who use the cheap tactic of a heavy hmg drive by always try to defend it. Anyways, all vehicles need an enter/exit animation to give the would be victim a chance to defend themselves. Since most of the dbags who use the lav drive by tactic are kd padding pussies, they would be less inclined to do it if they were vulnerable while getting in and out of their murder taxi. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
DJINN B4lock Ancient Textiles. 373	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:20:00 - [47] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. I think what the OP wants is an implimentation of vehicle enterance and exit speeds rather than the current teleporation of bodies into and out of vehicles. These speeds would be dictated by suit mass. DJINN B4lock, CEO Ancient Textiles. The premium emporium of fine fabrics from the dusty Orient.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 427	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:42:00 - [48] - Quote The problem is not that they can drive it's the instant pop in pop out that is the problem Idk what to do about it.... Maybee some timer. Like if you jump out there will be 1-2s( or whatever ) before you can get back in. On the other hand this game have other issues that needs to get adressed before. Regards War never changes
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2079	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:45:00 - [49] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Shavan D wrote: What I mean is the game needs so veil of balance. I like to be fair, really if things were my way, light suits would be the only thing that could pilot crap, but there would be a buch of vrap with that. People keep saying taking out heaveys is easy, ok, what if you only have milita gear and the heavey has proto or ADv gear? U do **** to them, I dont care how u dance around. Also I think heaveys shouldn't be allowed to drive they can still ride shotgun or (god helpme) man a turret. And again, give me a reason why a super heavy suit can get into a pilot seat but my assault suit can't use a chain gun or forge gun, this is all VERY fair . And if anyone says "deal with it" u don' t have to DEAL with crappy unfairness. You have to understand that not everything in New Eden is built upon fairness. Mostly 98 percent of it isn't fair. It's about what we do about it. It doesn't take long for you to skill into some standard suit that is a bit better offering than MLT gear. On the other side of this coin, if you start taking on heavies, you will learn something invaluable that you will use later on as you increase in SP and skill in general. From my perspective, I don't like giving them the satisfaction. Trust me, I get pissed off too dealing with a heavy that just rolled up on me like some trigger happy SWAT team but I can't give them the satisfaction. Increase awareness of your surroundings so that you make sure you're in a good position as best as you possibly can. As explained before, assault suit cannot use a HMG or FG due to both heating problems, CPU and PG. The first is more lore based since it is explained the heavy suit is designed to handle more force than mediums. You have to think some of things out to find your answer. If a assault player was able to carry a HMG and FORGE, then what in the world could the infantry attack when they have a slow moving assault guy trying to get to an objective and defend it? You're no longer assault. Also, the PG and CPU it takes to run a HMG would gimp your medium suit. It's like a 3 year old girl holding a SAW. About fairness. I don't know what to tell you about that. New Eden isn't fair. This isn't your after school game where fairness is its main priority. But hopefully that understanding will come when you mature in your game. Cause I really don't know what to say to that besides what my coach used to say, "Throw some dirt on it and get back on that field". It's time to man up, musk up, put up or shut up. I rather beat them at their own game than for them having to handicap something for me. That victory just isn't a victory that way. Damn another one, they are going to say you are me if you keep talking like that. You should know by now that we are not allowed to argue or debate anything that someone deems OP or unfair. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 973	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:46:00 - [50] - Quote Scout suits shouldn't die from tripping over a stone Life's a ***** "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2079	Posted - 2014.03.21 10:51:00 - [51] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Also 1.8 bring you more sorrow. Light weapon nerf (ttk issue) and more av nerf make murder taxi more valid and.... (not)fun due HMG stays same and heavy suit get resists. Start run twice fast as now. CU You been gone? I haven't seen your name on a while. If you've been gone or not it is good to see your name some more. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2236	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:00:00 - [52] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I love how scrubs who use the cheap tactic of a heavy hmg drive by always try to defend it. Anyways, all vehicles need an enter/exit animation to give the would be victim a chance to defend themselves. Since most of the dbags who use the lav drive by tactic are kd padding pussies, they would be less inclined to do it if they were vulnerable while getting in and out of their murder taxi. Yeah, I love my HMG heavy/LAV combo... Wait a second. I use an assault suit! Definitely I call in a LAV when I'm fat, but really, if you're on your own, I'm not bothering hopping out. Road kills are way more fun. Really, OP? Do you know the tactics of a LAV heavy? Drive around, find person who is alone and not a heavy. Hop out, rinse them. Repeat. Optimal counter: don't be alone. Try it! ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Fremder V1 Armed And Aimless 8	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:11:00 - [53] - Quote There once was a time when 2 out of 3 basic AV grenades were able to reliably destroy a militia LAV + driver. Seemed balanced to me, and would solve this problem. When AV finally is halfway balanced, which has to happen eventually, i don't think there would be the need for other measures. Might take a while though, by the looks of it.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 791	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:26:00 - [54] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them You only feel this way cause you leave yourself open to it and you dont take the time to think about the weaknesses. Heavies are super vulnerable when they dont look both ways before crossing the street and now you are too. Before you say it yes I heavy LAV and yes I have had it done to me. Honestly if you put up enough fight to take out our shields most of us will run off, we are doing it from laziness after all. Toss a a grenade and back off a little to take away the advantage he had previously gained and you will be just fine if you got game. Honestly if you run once your shields are down you will die . The thing is heavy+LAV counters the biggest drawbacks heavies have: lack of mobility. Apart from that benefit the LAV is hard to bring down by infantry AV (lol 3 adv packed Av nades for a std LAV), so the LAV provides additional protection to the suit with the most eHP. Use LAV drive by shoot and hop back in once you get severely hurt. If we would get animations for entering and exiting vehicles this would not be a problem. I am not totally against Heavies and LAV's is a viable tactic but with CCP's tendency for useless AV its a bit too effective with not enough counters. I like tough tactics/tools that have a tough counter as they are balanced (and no the counter should never be the tactic/tool itself)
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 219	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:40:00 - [55] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Haha good luck with that! I do not see why a heavy should not be able to drive.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 219	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:42:00 - [56] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them 1-Just find cover when you hear a jeep coming. 2-stay with a squad 3- do not go in the open
Vapor Forseti THE-TITANS 198	Posted - 2014.03.21 11:55:00 - [57] - Quote ~~I tried not to post this buuut~~ Shavan D wrote: you doge but cant get away wow >CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!" *THE-TITANS* Director
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 235	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:00:00 - [58] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: I personally would like to see animations for entering vehicles so you cant run up to one and teleport inside to instant safety such as heavies and their lav instantly exiting and reentering their lav. thats the biggest problem. Light frames should have very fast in/out animations, medium frames should have regular speed animation, and heavies should have very slow animations (enough for you to easily take them down to halfway through armor if they try to jump out only to kill you) Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 13	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:02:00 - [59] - Quote Heavy suits running LAVs is another dirty crutch no matter how you try to justify it. However this is DUST and its set in the world of EVE where dirty tactics are allowed even encouraged it seems. Honor doesn't really get you anything (Redline rails/proto snipers, protostomping squads in pubs, tank spam, etc...). CCP should at least make these tactics have a viable counter. I could go into a bunch of ideas for other issues but there are plenty of threads out there already. So: 1. Make my standard AV nades kill militia and standard LAVs in 2 grenades. They are light armored vehicles and AV nades are specifically designed to kill light vehicles. It shouldn't require more grenades then I can carry (especially with 1.8 grenade nerf) to kill one. When I can realistically challenge a LAV solo when I sacrifice an offensive anti-personnel grenade, the risk to heavy LAV drivers is now enough to make them think about it. The tactic would still work unless you ran into someone equipped to counter you. As it should be. or 2. Make AV grenades do direct damage to a riders health. It would obviously be decreased from the damage output of the grenade say 25%. Not enough to kill unless the LAV is destroyed. We are talking about open top vehicles that you can be shot out of. Why wouldn't a grenade exploding over your head hurt you? Even if the heavies victim only gets off one grenade before the heavy instapops out of the LAV it would at least help level the playing field. -Nox -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1991	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:31:00 - [60] - Quote So many heavies defending the crutch. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:39:00 - [61] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. So your saying it's ok to allow things such as heavies in LAVs? Mabey YOUR the one who needs to go back to cod. That's where the scrubs live,
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 12:40:00 - [62] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them So you never shot a heavy out of a LAV with a headshot? Heavies don't get close enough to my shotgun
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:16:00 - [63] - Quote LMAO. If you clowns would stop hiding I would'nt have to call in a ship to hunt you down. If I can't fly anymore, I would just pay someone to drive/fly me around. Lots of unemployed mercs. I run AV every match. Vehicles do not live long with my gaston forge on the job. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 271	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:19:00 - [64] - Quote 2 words. AV Grenades. And if that doesn't work, 2 more. Remote explosives Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 525	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:21:00 - [65] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Like being less likely to be shot out of the vehicle? Or maybe you are unaware that small arms fire is ineffectual to an LAV and that Heavies are also slow? Maybe you don't understand the concept of removing weaknesses through complementing game mechanics? Something that exists in every game. Maybe you're just a moron and you just gave a copout without any real evidence or thought? I think that's the case. Don't speak again on MY forum, stupid. AR Dmg: 34, RoF: 750 RPM, DPS: 425, RR Dmg: 55, RoF: 461 RPM, DPS: 422, + double the range. Balanced.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 271	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:22:00 - [66] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. So your saying it's ok to allow things such as heavies in LAVs? Mabey YOUR the one who needs to go back to cod. That's where the scrubs live, Lolwut? Give me a good reason why heavies shouldn't drive LAVs. Not a QQ "he jumped out and killed me" reason, but a good reason that fixes what you believe to be a gamebreaking problem. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 696	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:25:00 - [67] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. QQ but let me ask if your suit could carry an hmg but run at a pace of 6m would you be happy and have it kick really bad since your suit is lightweight not built to carry the weight. And in turn heavies get equipment but it is half as good. Then would you be happy We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 696	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:28:00 - [68] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. So your saying it's ok to allow things such as heavies in LAVs? Mabey YOUR the one who needs to go back to cod. That's where the scrubs live, Lolwut? Give me a good reason why heavies shouldn't drive LAVs. Not a QQ "he jumped out and killed me" reason, but a good reason that fixes what you believe to be a gamebreaking problem. One reason if a heavy can't drive then that breaks the game. It's unfair to keep a heavy from vehicles. The heavy suit is slow and if your skilled you wouldn't be running in the road to begin with We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 641	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:38:00 - [69] - Quote As a Heavy player we really NEED to get rid of this ****** tattic. Add animation, buff DMG Av granade on LAVS, or the worst solution, Make heavy suit unable to drive ANY vehicles. Not only because is a crutch. we must do this for our SAKE. Guys we are talking about LIFE or DEATH here. Finally CCP is giving some love to us fat-guys. But the road is harsh, if people use Crutch like this CCP for sure will bring out the nerf-hammer... And we all know what happen when CCP pull out that damn thing. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3216	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:41:00 - [70] - Quote I'll trade driving ability for an equipment slot. Or, should I have my Logi drive so that I can be free to not worry about losing my LAV should something go wrong? Your choice. I GÖú Kittens.

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:46:00 - [71] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. So your saying it's ok to allow things such as heavies in LAVs? Mabey YOUR the one who needs to go back to cod. That's where the scrubs live, Lolwut? Give me a good reason why heavies shouldn't drive LAVs. Not a QQ "he jumped out and killed me" reason, but a good reason that fixes what you believe to be a gamebreaking problem. Because heavies in lav are more powerful than any other infantry. Ive run heavy in lavs and going 30-0 is the norm. Bu I suppose you don't want your crutch taken away
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 13:56:00 - [72] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: So you play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew. Now you saw heavy that kill you. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove heavys ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... You spoted a TANK that kill you.. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove tanks ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... and you saw dropship.. that kill you... now way to repeat this again.... 1. If you specialise only to kill infantry - you have bear with this that vehicles (heavy in vehicle?) kill you. Everyone die here. If you/your squad/your team dont kill once solo heavy in lav (40-0 - remeber) then you have a lot to learn and change. 2. Play as heavy - now tell me how you supposted to catch 'dynamic' battle firld? (yes you have always option - wait in one place - good for ambush only) 3. Play as heavy - and use your heavy weapon. Now tell me how good you are vs infantry. How much you EHP and speed, no eq, big frame etc (toons of cons) helps. 4. Now back to your game ... and play Tip - use AV grenades or flux So your saying no matter how OP something is it's ok? Wow
Marc Rime 312	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:06:00 - [73] - Quote This thread is funny. Driving a death taxi is also funny. It is, however, silly when players magically pop in and out of vehicles. That should be changed. For all suit types.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 334	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:25:00 - [74] - Quote I'm a heavy that has never done this.....but its a valid tactic.... Two ways to fix it 1 make lavs weaker or make it easier to hit the driver 2 add enter/exit/seat swap animations that will make all characters vounerable for a second or two Real heavies use lasers
Jack Boost Zarena Family 336	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:41:00 - [75] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: So your saying no matter how OP something is it's ok? Wow There is more OP things. Murder taxi is one (still valid), but less painfull then for example auto-aim rail from HAV when you try AV or power of CR/RR with stacked dmg mods. Note: i'm heavy with light weapon - for almost 1 and 1/2 year without ANY bonuses for dropsuit... and ppl still complain. OP is very young duster (compared). And he discover one thing that is painful for him. This not meant that it is OP, it is hars but valid. What he do when vehicles be more common? (as they dont now )
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 118	Posted - 2014.03.21 14:56:00 - [76] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Why? Simple. They are the slowest, heaviest, fattest dropsuits around. You can't traverse terrain like alle the other suits. You're practically walking just to cross the road. Can't jump over obstacles that are 1 foot tall. That's 12 inches by the way. And the only method of getting from point A to point B fast is to call in your own ride or hitch a ride with someone else. Seriously, before you complain, try running a heavy suit for a month straight and see what we all heavies deal with. And no, LAV's can't be called in anywhere. That is only for open ground or large area topped buildings.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12374	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:00:00 - [77] - Quote We need enter / exit animations for vehicles. The smaller the suit, the quicker you get in / get out. Problem solved. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:11:00 - [78] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So your saying no matter how OP something is it's ok? Wow There is more OP things. Murder taxi is one (still valid), but less painfull then for example auto-aim rail from HAV when you try AV or power of CR/RR with stacked dmg mods. Note: i'm heavy with light weapon - for almost 1 and 1/2 year without ANY bonuses for dropsuit... and ppl still complain. OP is very young duster (compared). And he discover one thing that is painful for him. This not meant that it is OP, it is hars but valid. What he do when vehicles be more common? (as they dont now ) Vehicles are already spammed. And rails and damage stacking are going to be fixed. It's so painfully obvious solo lav heavys are a problem We need animation for entering and exiting vehicles. I'd also like to see not letting heavys drive vehicles but allowing them to get in someone else's vehicle.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:12:00 - [79] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Why? Simple. They are the slowest, heaviest, fattest dropsuits around. You can't traverse terrain like alle the other suits. You're practically walking just to cross the road. Can't jump over obstacles that are 1 foot tall. That's 12 inches by the way. And the only method of getting from point A to point B fast is to call in your own ride or hitch a ride with someone else. Seriously, before you complain, try running a heavy suit for a month straight and see what we all heavies deal with. And no, LAV's can't be called in anywhere. That is only for open ground or large area topped buildings. I've seen heavies refusing to leave their lav, they even drive around IN buildings.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 394	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:17:00 - [80] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. and you shouldnt be allowed to post. i want proxie chat so i can run around in the gall heavy saying GET IN MAH BELLY. nah just kidding trade window please=)

pseudosnipre 590	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:23:00 - [81] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: This thread is funny. Driving a death taxi is also funny. It is, however, silly when players magically pop in and out of vehicles. That should be changed. For all suit types. New vehicle equipment idea: http://www.brooke-ocean.com/images/6332907.jpg Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 15:29:00 - [82] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. and you shouldnt be allowed to post. Crutch supporter
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2238	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:23:00 - [83] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Why? Simple. They are the slowest, heaviest, fattest dropsuits around. You can't traverse terrain like alle the other suits. You're practically walking just to cross the road. Can't jump over obstacles that are 1 foot tall. That's 12 inches by the way. And the only method of getting from point A to point B fast is to call in your own ride or hitch a ride with someone else. Seriously, before you complain, try running a heavy suit for a month straight and see what we all heavies deal with. And no, LAV's can't be called in anywhere. That is only for open ground or large area topped buildings. I've seen heavies refusing to leave their lav, they even drive around IN buildings. This is because it's fun. I like the QQ mails it gives me. I do it in whatever suit I happen to be using. For example, my Amarr Assault. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:31:00 - [84] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Why? Simple. They are the slowest, heaviest, fattest dropsuits around. You can't traverse terrain like alle the other suits. You're practically walking just to cross the road. Can't jump over obstacles that are 1 foot tall. That's 12 inches by the way. And the only method of getting from point A to point B fast is to call in your own ride or hitch a ride with someone else. Seriously, before you complain, try running a heavy suit for a month straight and see what we all heavies deal with. And no, LAV's can't be called in anywhere. That is only for open ground or large area topped buildings. I've seen heavies refusing to leave their lav, they even drive around IN buildings. This is because it's fun. I like the QQ mails it gives me. I do it in whatever suit I happen to be using. For example, my Amarr Assault. No, heavies do It because it's more effective than actually walking. I was scouting a lone build and I see a heavy driving around inside the building. It was one of the stupidest things and biggest immersion breaker I've ever seen. If you don't see any problems with this than you have a problem. If this is allowed then my scout should get 2x speed and 2000 hp to be fair
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1682	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:32:00 - [85] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Why? Simple. They are the slowest, heaviest, fattest dropsuits around. You can't traverse terrain like alle the other suits. You're practically walking just to cross the road. Can't jump over obstacles that are 1 foot tall. That's 12 inches by the way. And the only method of getting from point A to point B fast is to call in your own ride or hitch a ride with someone else. Seriously, before you complain, try running a heavy suit for a month straight and see what we all heavies deal with. And no, LAV's can't be called in anywhere. That is only for open ground or large area topped buildings. I've seen heavies refusing to leave their lav, they even drive around IN buildings. This is because it's fun. I like the QQ mails it gives me. I do it in whatever suit I happen to be using. For example, my Amarr Assault. No, heavies do It because it's more effective than actually walking. I was scouting a lone build and I see a heavy driving around inside the building. It was one of the stupidest things and biggest immersion breaker I've ever seen. If you don't see any problems with this than you have a problem. If this is allowed then my scout should get 2x speed and 2000 hp to be fair heh heh HeavyRound (look up hoveround) Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 28	Posted - 2014.03.21 17:58:00 - [86] - Quote I said yesterday that i wasn't clear. Heaveies with Heavy weapons shouldn't be able to drive, Commandos and Sentals with light weapons I think are fine. Having said that wow, those of u say that i'm complaining no god damn well i make a vaild point and for people saying such and such can't do what ever, wow. Double standared. Haveys can only use heavey weapons but the other suints cant even try, and dont give me that crap about not being able to hold carry them. I'm i'm in a light suint i should atleast have the fing option to carry a forge gun or what ever. Hell the other suits weren't even what I was talking about when i started this but you all wanted to keep crap up.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1440	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:02:00 - [87] - Quote For the heavies saying, "IT HAS A WEAKNESS ZOMG" Please enlighten people, including myself, who don't know. If we knew of the weakness we wouldn't QQ much when it happens and actually try to fight. No, "Get Guud" answers either. What's the point of saying it has a weakness and telling people to stop QQing if you're not going to help us see why it has weaknesses? Granted, it's not unbeatable but it gives the heavy and it's HMG a big advantage. I'd argue that the difference is, a heavy can get right in your face with tons of eHP and rip you to shreds with their HMG. It's already crap when medium frames do it but when a behemoth with frightening CQC capabilities does it shudders. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 525	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:19:00 - [88] - Quote Are HMG Heavies in LAVs still really such a rampant problem? I hardly ever see them, I really think you guys are blowing this problem out of proportion. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1102	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:35:00 - [89] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Are HMG Heavies in LAVs still really such a rampant problem? I hardly ever see them, I really think you guys are blowing this problem out of proportion. Their in almost every match. I played a match with 5 of them the other day.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1210	Posted - 2014.03.21 18:39:00 - [90] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. They Should not be allowed to use Light weapons. Sick and tired of Heavy + Rifle scrubs

HiddenBrother 131	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:00:00 - [91] - Quote I made a simliliar topic. The heavy blight must be purged. The should not have the option to sprint either, Only jeep HMG scubs like the heavy. I was killed by one of these jeep HMG scubs a few months back. Caldari. Fear, and admiration.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1048	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:04:00 - [92] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Its annoying but acceptable in my opinion. Toss down an RE next time and blow them up either before or after you die . Either way bye bye heavy... After Tuesday 1 RE isn't going to cut it for most heavies Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 247	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:16:00 - [93] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: I made a simliliar topic. The heavy blight must be purged. The should not have the option to sprint either, Only jeep HMG scubs like the heavy. I was killed by one of these jeep HMG scubs a few months back. This better be a troll. You were killed by one a few months ago and you are still yelling about it. Only jeep HMG scrubs use the heavy? Please tell me you sit in the redline with your sniper rifle so I do not feel like you either do not play the game at all or you just play with your eyes closed the whole game.
Rusty Shallows 1180	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:16:00 - [94] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: So many heavies defending the crutch. Everyone else who keeps blindly yelling "crutch" are going to hate Uprising 1.8 since every single one of you will lose to most tactics. You guys have three options at this point: Adapt. Anyone who has played this game for two builds has had to do it at least once. Quit. There are many multiplayer games on the market Yell louder. CCP does political-nerfing. This has been true from Closed Beta to December 2013. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Rusty Shallows 1180	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:29:00 - [95] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: We need enter / exit animations for vehicles. The smaller the suit, the quicker you get in / get out. Problem solved. Using suit mass to determine the speed of an animation is nothing more than a malicious nerf. Also as I said on page one we need Acess-Points. If you are standing behind an LAV you board manning the turret. Same for the passenger and driver seats. Similar equivalencies for HAVs and Dropships. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 272	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:35:00 - [96] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. So your saying it's ok to allow things such as heavies in LAVs? Mabey YOUR the one who needs to go back to cod. That's where the scrubs live, Lolwut? Give me a good reason why heavies shouldn't drive LAVs. Not a QQ "he jumped out and killed me" reason, but a good reason that fixes what you believe to be a gamebreaking problem. Because heavies in lav are more powerful than any other infantry. Ive run heavy in lavs and going 30-0 is the norm. Bu I suppose you don't want your crutch taken away I don't have a single point in heavies. Yes the tactic is utter BS, but your method of fixing it is incorrect. Keeping them from driving altogether is not the answer, and is just a knee-jerk reaction that will result in lots of QQ from heavies who have to get a ride from random blueberries to Get anywhere. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC 371	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:46:00 - [97] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. Yeah, heavies shouldn't be able to drive. What they should be able to do is shoot from the passenger seat of an LAV or DS though.
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 530	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:47:00 - [98] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Are HMG Heavies in LAVs still really such a rampant problem? I hardly ever see them, I really think you guys are blowing this problem out of proportion. Their in almost every match. I played a match with 5 of them the other day. I swear, either i'm playing an entirely different game than everyone else, or I have some out of whack luck. I haven't seen an HMG LAV Heavy since... well I honestly can't remember, it must have been months ago. I see Heavies with Rail Rifles like once every other match, and there's only ever one or two of them and they've never really been a problem for me. I rarely ever see tank spam, and it sucks, my Wiyrkomi BFG is starving. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 118	Posted - 2014.03.21 19:57:00 - [99] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: I personally would like to see animations for entering vehicles so you cant run up to one and teleport inside to instant safety such as heavies and their lav instantly exiting and reentering their lav. This I totally wished that CCP would implement. Grant it, it's better for that quick teleport in and out of vehicles, but that old game programming is soo old. It needs to change for better immersion.
Orion Vahid Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 260	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:01:00 - [100] - Quote Lol. I can't believe all the good old ******** QQ about Heavy is coming back. Get good and stop complaining

Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1684	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:04:00 - [101] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Are HMG Heavies in LAVs still really such a rampant problem? I hardly ever see them, I really think you guys are blowing this problem out of proportion. I think you're blowing the obscurity of their complaint out of proportion. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 532	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:32:00 - [102] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: Are HMG Heavies in LAVs still really such a rampant problem? I hardly ever see them, I really think you guys are blowing this problem out of proportion. I think you're blowing the obscurity of their complaint out of proportion. I... um... what? How exactly was I blowing anything out of proportion with that post? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 171	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:44:00 - [103] - Quote Jastad wrote: As a Heavy player we really NEED to get rid of this ****** tattic. Add animation, buff DMG Av granade on LAVS, or the worst solution, Make heavy suit unable to drive ANY vehicles. Not only because is a crutch. we must do this for our SAKE. Guys we are talking about LIFE or DEATH here. Finally CCP is giving some love to us fat-guys. But the road is harsh, if people use Crutch like this CCP for sure will bring out the nerf-hammer... And we all know what happen when CCP pull out that damn thing. I kind of agree and people don't see the future nerf nuke :( Story of the Merc
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 644	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:48:00 - [104] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: CUT . Rusty i know you are a heavy like me, and it's clear that there is a problem with Heavy suit driving Tanks,LAVS. I usually play as a Ground forger with my heavy, I engage the Tanks and a lots of time when they understand that they are going to die they hop out of the tank and you are now facing a Heavy+HMG....With a sidearm.... I can kill them with my SMG if it's a medium ( or at least try) but stand no chance VS a Heavy+HMG. Also i repeat, we need to get rid of HeavyLAV for OUR sake, before CCP nerf us in to the ground 'cause scrub use crutch tattics. Look the Flylock where it is now.... I don't like limitations, and i hate as a heavy being slow on deploy. But since we have the resistance we asked for ( since beta) and now that we SHINE in cqc we need some drawback. in 1,8 LAVHeavy and Heavy+Lightweapon need to go. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 645	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:49:00 - [105] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Jastad wrote: As a Heavy player we really NEED to get rid of this ****** tattic. Add animation, buff DMG Av granade on LAVS, or the worst solution, Make heavy suit unable to drive ANY vehicles. Not only because is a crutch. we must do this for our SAKE. Guys we are talking about LIFE or DEATH here. Finally CCP is giving some love to us fat-guys. But the road is harsh, if people use Crutch like this CCP for sure will bring out the nerf-hammer... And we all know what happen when CCP pull out that damn thing. I kind of agree and people don't see the future nerf nuke :( Thats right we have a HUGE "damocle's sword" on our head. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5984	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:49:00 - [106] - Quote No. By removing it's ability to pilot, you effectively force heavies who play by themselves to walk to objectives, which can quite possibly take 20min when your moving at 3m/s. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 645	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:51:00 - [107] - Quote Atiim wrote: No. By removing it's ability to pilot, you effectively force heavies who play by themselves to walk to objectives, which can quite possibly take 20min when your moving at 3m/s. every map have a CRU, you only need to wait some blue hack it. I'll glady wait 20 sec if this mean to save my suit from CCP nerfhammer of doom. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 540	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:51:00 - [108] - Quote no. and because it doesn't make sense. oh no someone using something to nullify their weakness, must be considered crutch. btw heavies have to get out some time to shoot you module poll stuff for alts
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 171	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:51:00 - [109] - Quote Those that are heavies need to give something up to give the mediums and light frames a chance.. get off your lazy *** and trek to the objective (unless you are needed have a squad mate drive you is that so hard? I'm a fat boy and I trek from objective to objective killing most that oppose me.. I don't fear much as a heavy other than a flux nade... And heavies with an equipment slot... You should be ashamed please go to the corner and think about what you said.. then keep hitting youself till I tell you to stop.. Story of the Merc
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1445	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:52:00 - [110] - Quote Jastad wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: CUT . Rusty i know you are a heavy like me, and it's clear that there is a problem with Heavy suit driving Tanks,LAVS. I usually play as a Ground forger with my heavy, I engage the Tanks and a lots of time when they understand that they are going to die they hop out of the tank and you are now facing a Heavy+HMG....With a sidearm.... I can kill them with my SMG if it's a medium ( or at least try) but stand no chance VS a Heavy+HMG. Also i repeat, we need to get rid of HeavyLAV for OUR sake, before CCP nerf us in to the ground 'cause scrub use crutch tattics. Look the Flylock where it is now.... I don't like limitations, and i hate as a heavy being slow on deploy. But since we have the resistance we asked for ( since beta) and now that we SHINE in cqc we need some drawback. in 1,8 LAVHeavy and Heavy+Lightweapon need to go. That's true and I feel sorry for heavies because it'll be inevitable if CCP can't find a way to limit LAV usage. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 171	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:52:00 - [111] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: no. and because it doesn't make sense. oh no someone using something to nullify their weakness, must be considered crutch. btw heavies have to get out some time to shoot you No they don't... murder taxi heavy or use the turret on the LAV Story of the Merc
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 741	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:54:00 - [112] - Quote This thread is racist towards heavies, CCP enforce your ToS. Unleash the Fogwoggler
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 645	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:56:00 - [113] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: no. and because it doesn't make sense. oh no someone using something to nullify their weakness, must be considered crutch. btw heavies have to get out some time to shoot you C'mon, if you are a MINIMUM capable heavy no one stand a chance VS a HMG in 20M Only lag can screw you. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 980	Posted - 2014.03.21 20:58:00 - [114] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. I am a logi I do everything else and 98% of the vast majority are idiots and/or ungrateful. I'm not chauffeuring too. No. People who do are usually the envy of those who only watch I'm a scout, and a logi and a 'assault.' Proto Cal Frame
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 654	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:01:00 - [115] - Quote I believe anyone using stimulants should be banned from the New Eden Olympics >_> TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. -Blaine the Mono
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 267	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:09:00 - [116] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them The best cure for ****-ass heavy LAVers is never run solo. My squad last night ran into one dude that tried 3 separate times to pull that move, and we gave him a dirt nap via concentrated firepower before he could get back in the LAV. The second time, I hacked his jeep so I could find his ass and run him over with it, but the match timer ran out before I could find him. Too bad, it would have been glorious. Never run solo. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin*, Fatsuit
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 608	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:14:00 - [117] - Quote You would need a map redesign for your idea to work. There is way to much open space in these maps and long range weapons. To have a heavy move slowly around in the open is another way of saying easy kill. You would need more cover, helps everyone, against all vehicles and more buildings e.g. Small towns or at least interlinked buildings with defendable positions and flanking routes (again with cover) which allows for more variety in play styles and the ability to avoid other play styles.
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 382	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:26:00 - [118] - Quote I like turtles.
Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 413	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:30:00 - [119] - Quote I believe the opposite, I strongly believe tanks should be able to drive LAV's and dropships. (Scalesdini's idea) What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
Rusty Shallows 1181	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:30:00 - [120] - Quote Jastad wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: CUT . Rusty i know you are a heavy like me, and it's clear that there is a problem with Heavy suit driving Tanks,LAVS. I usually play as a Ground forger with my heavy, I engage the Tanks and a lots of time when they understand that they are going to die they hop out of the tank and you are now facing a Heavy+HMG....With a sidearm.... I can kill them with my SMG if it's a medium ( or at least try) but stand no chance VS a Heavy+HMG. Also i repeat, we need to get rid of HeavyLAV for OUR sake, before CCP nerf us in to the ground 'cause scrub use crutch tattics. Look the Flylock where it is now.... I don't like limitations, and i hate as a heavy being slow on deploy. But since we have the resistance we asked for ( since beta) and now that we SHINE in cqc we need some drawback. in 1,8 LAVHeavy and Heavy+Lightweapon need to go. On the sandbox principle I don't care about Fatties with Light Weapons. It was a great way to underline the problems with HMGs last year. However you are on target, I'm dead certain there will be problems come Uprising 1.8 and at some point we'll need a weapon type lock on Heavy Frames. The LAV issue isn't after comparing it to other tactics. When crossing a broad danger zone and someone catches me at range I don't call that a cheap tactic. Neither is someone out maneuvering me using cover. People have already stated the real problems: Infantry AV (notably AV Grenades) and Teleporting. Also in total agreement over nerfing. One of the classic problems with Dust 514 is whenever something could compete against Medium Frames with Assault Rifles they would get nerfed. I am hinging my hopes that CCP Rogue will finally bring some sanity and professionalism to the team. The only way I could get on board with Frame-limitations-on-vehicles is if CCP required a specific Dropsuit that functions poorly on foot. Even then they had better redesign (buff) LAVs good because in the land of Large Rails and Large Blasters four-wheeling can be very scary. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 382	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:32:00 - [121] - Quote Galthur wrote: I believe the opposite, I strongly believe tanks should be able to drive LAV's and dropships. (Scalesdini's idea) This is a fantastic idea and this thread will now be dedicated to discussing LAV's and derpships being driven by tanks. Discuss.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 601	Posted - 2014.03.21 21:55:00 - [122] - Quote Im not sure of the best way to fix this problem. But heavies being able to teleport to any seat in the car before teleporting out is a bit broken. Yes you can deal with it, but you could also deal with TARs and Flaylocks back in their day and it didnt make them any less OP. Cloak will be a decent counter to this though, hear a car, stop moving... let the car pass. This requires the sound to be a bit more relaible though.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1994	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:02:00 - [123] - Quote Just make the suit have an animation for leaving the vehicle, the larger the frame the slower. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 119	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:22:00 - [124] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Then they need to either hoof it or call shotgun! If i cant run around with a light suit and chain gun then they shouldn't be able to drive, and don't say anything about light sunts arn't strong enough to carry so and so, where does the heavy put his chain gun. And heaveys are slow yea but they can still run. Light suits aren't strong enough to carry heavy weapons. Oh, and go read up on the heavy dropsuit descrpitions too. The heavy's run is more like a jog. You almost make it sound like it can run as fast as a medium.
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4408	Posted - 2014.03.21 22:30:00 - [125] - Quote You're missing the real problem: Small turrets should be better than heavy weapons I am your scan error.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 803	Posted - 2014.03.22 17:56:00 - [126] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Are HMG Heavies in LAVs still really such a rampant problem? I hardly ever see them, I really think you guys are blowing this problem out of proportion. Its actually becoming more prominet, and with the reativ buff to both heavies and HMG this will become even more prominent. As I mentionend befrore I would ave no sproblem with this IF LAV's could be counteredmore easily, but they are pretty resistant to any form of AV and the missing enter/exit animations let abuse this quite a lot. Note this is of course true for brick tanked logis, assaults or scouts as well they all can abuse this. And as some have already mentioned this could easily fixed by new animations (btw the lack of animations in Dust is astonishing)


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