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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2014.03.21 07:56:00 -
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So you play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew. Now you saw heavy that kill you. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove heavys ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... You spoted a TANK that kill you.. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove tanks ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... and you saw dropship.. that kill you... now way to repeat this again....
1. If you specialise only to kill infantry - you have bear with this that vehicles (heavy in vehicle?) kill you. Everyone die here. If you/your squad/your team dont kill once solo heavy in lav (40-0 - remeber) then you have a lot to learn and change. 2. Play as heavy - now tell me how you supposted to catch 'dynamic' battle firld? (yes you have always option - wait in one place - good for ambush only) 3. Play as heavy - and use your heavy weapon. Now tell me how good you are vs infantry. How much you EHP and speed, no eq, big frame etc (toons of cons) helps. 4. Now back to your game ... and play
Tip - use AV grenades or flux |
Shavan D
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:07:00 -
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U know that alot of the crap thats not fair comes for Eve being un regulated and also ITS a game. U can make crap fair, hell in even in Eve can a carrier stealth? I've played Eve but not long enough to know if that last statement is true or not, if it is f that crap. I know not everything can be fair but for crap sake. Aiming is hard enough seeing as aiming with the mouse is beyond better u can turn 4x as fast while with the controler u can never react as fast.
All i',m saying is that guys who are already hard to kill have a fair limit, let not being able to drive be the evlent of mid and light suits not having accesess to their gear.
Note. when i refer to heavies i mean heavies with chain and forge guns |
Shavan D
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:18:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:So you play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew. Now you saw heavy that kill you. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove heavys ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... You spoted a TANK that kill you.. No way you think. You post some word here. CCP remove tanks ingame. Now you again play your game shooting to infantry... pew pew... and you saw dropship.. that kill you... now way to repeat this again....
1. If you specialise only to kill infantry - you have bear with this that vehicles (heavy in vehicle?) kill you. Everyone die here. If you/your squad/your team dont kill once solo heavy in lav (40-0 - remeber) then you have a lot to learn and change. 2. Play as heavy - now tell me how you supposted to catch 'dynamic' battle firld? (yes you have always option - wait in one place - good for ambush only) 3. Play as heavy - and use your heavy weapon. Now tell me how good you are vs infantry. How much you EHP and speed, no eq, big frame etc (toons of cons) helps. 4. Now back to your game ... and play
Tip - use AV grenades or flux
Unless u spec into av ya can't do crap aginst a vehical that will just run away and with how broken vehicals are right now they will just run back. Then u have a heavy with a chain or forg gun who can get to places it shouldn't, can't get to with out help, alone. The game is broken, we all know it. I started playing along time ago when dropships were esier to fly and missles could fire from the top of towers. Not saying nerf anything, just saying be fair, the game isn't that good where half the issue u face is ur own skill. Half the issue is the game mechanics themselves.
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Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
487
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:25:00 -
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Or add a disembark animation that's longer based on your movement speed. So you get a second or two headstart shooting the fatty as he wiggles out.
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Bezimienni...
62
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:26:00 -
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Racism. Heavy should drive LAV same as every class else. They got same as everybody: 2 hands and 2 legs. And big fat belly . Next time take few squadmates with You on open areas. I'm not saying that I never died due crazy killer taxi but it happened when I was alone. Change tactics next time. I understand that there are players with small sp amount and they can't be one man army like vets. I see topic is going for QQ about heavy with light weapons anyway...
No eq slot, slower movement, slower tracking speed, heavy can't jump, has bigger hit zone, poor detection...
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CTH 80 2
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:35:00 -
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Can I get at least in to a dropship?? Let me guess, no, I am too fat and the dropship will not be able to take off from the ground. :P |
Shavan D
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:42:00 -
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:Racism. Heavy should drive LAV same as every class else. They got same as everybody: 2 hands and 2 legs. And big fat belly . Next time take few squadmates with You on open areas. I'm not saying that I never died due crazy killer taxi but it happened when I was alone. Change tactics next time. I understand that there are players with small sp amount and they can't be one man army like vets. I see topic is going for QQ about heavy with light weapons anyway... No eq slot, slower movement, slower tracking speed, heavy can't jump, has bigger hit zone, poor detection...
Change tatics, chn age tatics....one time me and a buch of other guys were on a tower, a dropship came in, there was no way to change gear. Cause how dumb this game is none of us can tell a single heavey alone-didnt get a drop off, come chain guniing out. The game doesn't give out any way to comunicate unless u have head phones, no way to alert ur team if u spot someone flaking, and shooting doesnt reveal an enmmy if they get hit. The chain gunner on the tower takes 2 of out, by the time we realizes it we turn and fire, our smgs do f nothing cuss we all got milita and he had adv gear. F this game. How is it that people can use logic and say "Heavey can use big weapons becuss bla bla" but the other class cant, but then its unfair when i use logic and say heaveies cant do such and such.
shh, people are ineradicable. And the tower thing, know what ur going to say ""should have been more aware," no the game needs better controles so u can react to situations better. |
Shavan D
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:48:00 -
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CTH 80 2 wrote:Can I get at least in to a dropship?? Let me guess, no, I am too fat and the dropship will not be able to take off from the ground. :P
I THINK HEAVIES CAN STILL GET TRASPORTED I JUST DONT THINK THEY SHOULD GET TO HARD TO REACH PLACES ALONe. Everyone tends to say u should have tatics , have teamwork and group up. Well, have tatics, grouo up, have team work. If 5 heavey drop on my head with chain guns then so be it, but can the pilot not hop out with a 6th chaingun. Is that to much to ask.
Also i hate this bs people keep giving me about heaves being able to drive but the oither suits cant use the big guns, f that, heaveys might be sow but they have more armor. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
335
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:52:00 -
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Note: i'm most of time lone-wolf, and I get anyting that this game give me... and I play same game as you (OP) I can be average here .. so you can too.
I change tactict as I should , and I help you more...
Why I cant use LARGE RAIL that HAV use on my dropsuit. I can put some PG/CPU upgrades and I can shoot over 400m. WHY CCP TELL ME WHY! |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
335
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:57:00 -
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Also 1.8 bring you more sorrow. Light weapon nerf (ttk issue) and more av nerf make murder taxi more valid and.... (not)fun due HMG stays same and heavy suit get resists.
Start run twice fast as now. CU |
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KGB Sleep
882
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Posted - 2014.03.21 08:59:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy.
And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them
Or an RE, which is a lot funnier than a tank.
Because beer, that's why.
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.21 09:06:00 -
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Simple solution, make there be a delay of around 2 seconds when entering/exiting vehicles. Also anytime a vehicle gets near you it should Immediately show on your damn tacnet! |
OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Bezimienni...
63
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Posted - 2014.03.21 09:10:00 -
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Shavan D wrote:OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:Racism. Heavy should drive LAV same as every class else. They got same as everybody: 2 hands and 2 legs. And big fat belly . Next time take few squadmates with You on open areas. I'm not saying that I never died due crazy killer taxi but it happened when I was alone. Change tactics next time. I understand that there are players with small sp amount and they can't be one man army like vets. I see topic is going for QQ about heavy with light weapons anyway... No eq slot, slower movement, slower tracking speed, heavy can't jump, has bigger hit zone, poor detection... Change tatics, chn age tatics....one time me and a buch of other guys were on a tower, a dropship came in, there was no way to change gear. Cause how dumb this game is none of us can tell a single heavey alone-didnt get a drop off, come chain guniing out. The game doesn't give out any way to comunicate unless u have head phones, no way to alert ur team if u spot someone flaking, and shooting doesnt reveal an enmmy if they get hit. The chain gunner on the tower takes 2 of out, by the time we realizes it we turn and fire, our smgs do f nothing cuss we all got milita and he had adv gear. F this game. How is it that people can use logic and say "Heavey can use big weapons becuss bla bla" but the other class cant, but then its unfair when i use logic and say heaveies cant do such and such. shh, people are ineradicable. And the tower thing, know what ur going to say ""should have been more aware," no the game needs better controles so u can react to situations better.
Give my heavy eq slot and take light weapons off. I think most of dedicated heavies will go for that. |
Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5300
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Posted - 2014.03.21 09:12:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy.
And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way...
Movement -used- to be a tactic to use against heavies but they removed the turn speed caps on them. They can shift around as fast as a scout now.
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Kira Takizawa
uptown456 Proficiency V.
170
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Posted - 2014.03.21 09:15:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy.
And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way...
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Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
239
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:14:00 -
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I love how scrubs who use the cheap tactic of a heavy hmg drive by always try to defend it.
Anyways, all vehicles need an enter/exit animation to give the would be victim a chance to defend themselves.
Since most of the dbags who use the lav drive by tactic are kd padding pussies, they would be less inclined to do it if they were vulnerable while getting in and out of their murder taxi.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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DJINN B4lock
Ancient Textiles.
373
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:20:00 -
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Shavan D wrote:Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair.
And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around. I think what the OP wants is an implimentation of vehicle enterance and exit speeds rather than the current teleporation of bodies into and out of vehicles.
These speeds would be dictated by suit mass.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
427
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:42:00 -
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The problem is not that they can drive it's the instant pop in pop out that is the problem Idk what to do about it.... Maybee some timer. Like if you jump out there will be 1-2s( or whatever ) before you can get back in.
On the other hand this game have other issues that needs to get adressed before.
Regards
War never changes
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2079
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:45:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Shavan D wrote:What I mean is the game needs so veil of balance. I like to be fair, really if things were my way, light suits would be the only thing that could pilot crap, but there would be a buch of vrap with that. People keep saying taking out heaveys is easy, ok, what if you only have milita gear and the heavey has proto or ADv gear? U do **** to them, I dont care how u dance around. Also I think heaveys shouldn't be allowed to drive they can still ride shotgun or (god helpme) man a turret. And again, give me a reason why a super heavy suit can get into a pilot seat but my assault suit can't use a chain gun or forge gun, this is all VERY fair . And if anyone says "deal with it" u don' t have to DEAL with crappy unfairness. You have to understand that not everything in New Eden is built upon fairness. Mostly 98 percent of it isn't fair. It's about what we do about it. It doesn't take long for you to skill into some standard suit that is a bit better offering than MLT gear. On the other side of this coin, if you start taking on heavies, you will learn something invaluable that you will use later on as you increase in SP and skill in general. From my perspective, I don't like giving them the satisfaction. Trust me, I get pissed off too dealing with a heavy that just rolled up on me like some trigger happy SWAT team but I can't give them the satisfaction. Increase awareness of your surroundings so that you make sure you're in a good position as best as you possibly can. As explained before, assault suit cannot use a HMG or FG due to both heating problems, CPU and PG. The first is more lore based since it is explained the heavy suit is designed to handle more force than mediums. You have to think some of things out to find your answer. If a assault player was able to carry a HMG and FORGE, then what in the world could the infantry attack when they have a slow moving assault guy trying to get to an objective and defend it? You're no longer assault. Also, the PG and CPU it takes to run a HMG would gimp your medium suit. It's like a 3 year old girl holding a SAW. About fairness. I don't know what to tell you about that. New Eden isn't fair. This isn't your after school game where fairness is its main priority. But hopefully that understanding will come when you mature in your game. Cause I really don't know what to say to that besides what my coach used to say, "Throw some dirt on it and get back on that field". It's time to man up, musk up, put up or shut up. I rather beat them at their own game than for them having to handicap something for me. That victory just isn't a victory that way.
Damn another one, they are going to say you are me if you keep talking like that. You should know by now that we are not allowed to argue or debate anything that someone deems OP or unfair.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
973
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:46:00 -
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Scout suits shouldn't die from tripping over a stone Life's a *****
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2079
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Posted - 2014.03.21 10:51:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Also 1.8 bring you more sorrow. Light weapon nerf (ttk issue) and more av nerf make murder taxi more valid and.... (not)fun due HMG stays same and heavy suit get resists.
Start run twice fast as now. CU
You been gone? I haven't seen your name on a while. If you've been gone or not it is good to see your name some more.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2236
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:00:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I love how scrubs who use the cheap tactic of a heavy hmg drive by always try to defend it.
Anyways, all vehicles need an enter/exit animation to give the would be victim a chance to defend themselves.
Since most of the dbags who use the lav drive by tactic are kd padding pussies, they would be less inclined to do it if they were vulnerable while getting in and out of their murder taxi.
Yeah, I love my HMG heavy/LAV combo... Wait a second.
I use an assault suit! Definitely I call in a LAV when I'm fat, but really, if you're on your own, I'm not bothering hopping out. Road kills are way more fun.
Really, OP?
Do you know the tactics of a LAV heavy? Drive around, find person who is alone and not a heavy. Hop out, rinse them.
Repeat.
Optimal counter: don't be alone. Try it!
ak.0 4 LYFE
Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
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Fremder V1
Armed And Aimless
8
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:11:00 -
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There once was a time when 2 out of 3 basic AV grenades were able to reliably destroy a militia LAV + driver. Seemed balanced to me, and would solve this problem.
When AV finally is halfway balanced, which has to happen eventually, i don't think there would be the need for other measures. Might take a while though, by the looks of it.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
791
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:26:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Dexter307 wrote: Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them
You only feel this way cause you leave yourself open to it and you dont take the time to think about the weaknesses. Heavies are super vulnerable when they dont look both ways before crossing the street and now you are too. Before you say it yes I heavy LAV and yes I have had it done to me. Honestly if you put up enough fight to take out our shields most of us will run off, we are doing it from laziness after all. Toss a a grenade and back off a little to take away the advantage he had previously gained and you will be just fine if you got game.
Honestly if you run once your shields are down you will die . The thing is heavy+LAV counters the biggest drawbacks heavies have: lack of mobility. Apart from that benefit the LAV is hard to bring down by infantry AV (lol 3 adv packed Av nades for a std LAV), so the LAV provides additional protection to the suit with the most eHP.
Use LAV drive by shoot and hop back in once you get severely hurt. If we would get animations for entering and exiting vehicles this would not be a problem.
I am not totally against Heavies and LAV's is a viable tactic but with CCP's tendency for useless AV its a bit too effective with not enough counters.
I like tough tactics/tools that have a tough counter as they are balanced (and no the counter should never be the tactic/tool itself) |
The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
219
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:40:00 -
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Shavan D wrote:Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair.
And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around.
Haha good luck with that!
I do not see why a heavy should not be able to drive. |
The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
219
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:42:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy.
And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them
1-Just find cover when you hear a jeep coming. 2-stay with a squad 3- do not go in the open
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Vapor Forseti
THE-TITANS
198
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:55:00 -
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I tried not to post this buuut
Shavan D wrote:you doge but cant get away wow
>CCP Saberwing: "NERF EVERYTHING!!!"
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
235
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:00:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:I personally would like to see animations for entering vehicles so you cant run up to one and teleport inside to instant safety such as heavies and their lav instantly exiting and reentering their lav. thats the biggest problem. Light frames should have very fast in/out animations, medium frames should have regular speed animation, and heavies should have very slow animations (enough for you to easily take them down to halfway through armor if they try to jump out only to kill you)
Kills-Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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Altus Nox
FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
13
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:02:00 -
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Heavy suits running LAVs is another dirty crutch no matter how you try to justify it. However this is DUST and its set in the world of EVE where dirty tactics are allowed even encouraged it seems. Honor doesn't really get you anything (Redline rails/proto snipers, protostomping squads in pubs, tank spam, etc...). CCP should at least make these tactics have a viable counter. I could go into a bunch of ideas for other issues but there are plenty of threads out there already. So:
1. Make my standard AV nades kill militia and standard LAVs in 2 grenades. They are light armored vehicles and AV nades are specifically designed to kill light vehicles. It shouldn't require more grenades then I can carry (especially with 1.8 grenade nerf) to kill one. When I can realistically challenge a LAV solo when I sacrifice an offensive anti-personnel grenade, the risk to heavy LAV drivers is now enough to make them think about it. The tactic would still work unless you ran into someone equipped to counter you. As it should be.
or
2. Make AV grenades do direct damage to a riders health. It would obviously be decreased from the damage output of the grenade say 25%. Not enough to kill unless the LAV is destroyed. We are talking about open top vehicles that you can be shot out of. Why wouldn't a grenade exploding over your head hurt you? Even if the heavies victim only gets off one grenade before the heavy instapops out of the LAV it would at least help level the playing field.
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
1991
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Posted - 2014.03.21 12:31:00 -
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So many heavies defending the crutch.
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