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Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:23:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it that heavy suits have access to weapons the other suits don't, can equip weapons the other suits can, have more armor, and just all around be an annoyance to fight against. Next you see a jeep come screaming out of no where trying to run you over, you doge but cant get away, and then a damn heavy suit pops out solo and guns you down with a shain gun. How is that fair. Which is why heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive or pilot. As long as they can use weapons the other suits can't then they shouldn't be allowed to use even bigger guns. Its only fair. And for anyone who may say "no" give me one good reason why not. They can still ride in vehicals I just think they shouldn't be driving tanks or other vehicals around.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 1280	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:27:00 - [2] - Quote QQ The Metalhead Mercenary
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3620	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
BARDAS Shining Flame Amarr Empire 826	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:32:00 - [4] - Quote Its annoying but acceptable in my opinion. Toss down an RE next time and blow them up either before or after you die . Either way bye bye heavy...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:33:00 - [5] - Quote Something definetly needs to be done In nearly every match i play theres a few heavys driving around. If were going to allow this then why not give heavies scout speeds that would be just as balenced
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:34:00 - [6] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:39:00 - [7] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:42:00 - [8] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Tank 514 and REs Oh boy Av dosent count because its nerfed and broken, especially in 1.8 with the heavy buff and av nerf.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1594	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:44:00 - [9] - Quote I agree. Oh the excuses that the sefenders come up with. It makes too much sense that a heavy should have to get a lift. Oh well, take away the scrub's crutchGÇª "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 244	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:46:00 - [10] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them You only feel this way cause you leave yourself open to it and you dont take the time to think about the weaknesses. Heavies are super vulnerable when they dont look both ways before crossing the street and now you are too. Before you say it yes I heavy LAV and yes I have had it done to me. Honestly if you put up enough fight to take out our shields most of us will run off, we are doing it from laziness after all. Toss a a grenade and back off a little to take away the advantage he had previously gained and you will be just fine if you got game.

MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:47:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Tank 514 and REs Oh boy Av dosent count because its nerfed and broken, especially in 1.8 with the heavy buff and av nerf. I was not referring to AV nor tanks, legit infantry vs infantry tactics. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:47:00 - [12] - Quote I personally would like to see animations for entering vehicles so you cant run up to one and teleport inside to instant safety such as heavies and their lav instantly exiting and reentering their lav.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1100	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:48:00 - [13] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them Heavy in an LAV has multiple weaknesses, find them and exploit them. Tank 514 and REs Oh boy Av dosent count because its nerfed and broken, especially in 1.8 with the heavy buff and av nerf. I was not referring to AV nor tanks, legit infantry vs infantry tactics. So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 221	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:55:00 - [14] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 This is why I hate arguing with CoD players, go back to CoD if Dust is too much for you to handle. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 226	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:56:00 - [15] - Quote Why is it no one ever tries to make a legitimate argument anymore? Always stating a problem and then asking everyone else to come up with reasons why or why not and then disagreeing with them. Why not come up with a good reason, like "They have really large stubby hands so they should have issues when controlling vehicles" Kind of like the argument why Heavies should have issues with Light weapons, longer reloads because the clips are small compared to their hands. But then the commando argument that they have the same frame comes up. More words, but I already gave all my flux. PvE 2014
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3621	Posted - 2014.03.21 05:57:00 - [16] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Actually that's an old tactic. Heavy suits are really not that menacing if you know how to fight them. Two keypoints: distance and constant movement. Those two things are kryptonite to a heavy. And no, because anybody can drive a car. Just accept the challenge and find your own way of dealing with it. There is a way... Heavy in a LAV has no weakness. Only a tank can defeat them So you never shot a heavy out of a LAV with a headshot? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 607	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:07:00 - [17] - Quote Run directly at the LAV, side-stepping it slightly. Now continue to run to the other side of the lav as the heavy (if you have Mouse/keyboard you can hack it at the same time.) Run over the heavy with his own vehicle. BTW, video of this occuring = 1 mil isk from me. =) While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2522	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:12:00 - [18] - Quote Counter question: why are 300KG heavy weight people allowed to drive a car? Because otherwise they couldnt even move outside to their next MC donalds/burger king/KFC. Same is with heavy dropsuits. In order for them to be aible to keep up with medium/light frame suits they have to use a LAV. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Rusty Shallows 1178	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:23:00 - [19] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I agree. Oh the excuses that the sefenders come up with. It makes too much sense that a heavy should have to get a lift. Oh well, take away the scrub's crutchGÇª If you cannot handle simple tactics then you're going to hate Uprisng 1.8 As for the topic at hand. This is a vehicle centered game, it has been since December. Everyone needs to adapt to that. The only thing really needed is some realism. Trading the Teleport-System for Acess-Points and simple boarding/exiting animations. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 374	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:32:00 - [20] - Quote Kay, but if heavies can't drive LAV's, then... Scouts are supposed to scout things, so all guns scouts equip should be replaced with binoculars. So they can scout. Logis are supposed to logi things, so whatever gun a logi equips will be replaced by a rep tool. So they can logi. Assaults are supposed to assault things, so they shouldn't be able to carry equipment, that's the logi's job. See, us heavies can play the non-logic game too! You can kill an LAV with pretty much anything, so why complain about them? It's not particularly difficult to flux+pewpew an LAV to death. Fat guy stays in car, he dies with car, he gets out, you shoot him in the head. It's not rocket surgery folks.

Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 77	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:32:00 - [21] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I agree. Oh the excuses that the sefenders come up with. It makes too much sense that a heavy should have to get a lift. Oh well, take away the scrub's crutchGÇª The real scrub crutches are 800+ ehp prototype logistics suits. Nubs running around in heavy suits with rifles are just a symptom of the problem, not a problem in and of themselves. "Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
Rusty Shallows 1178	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:35:00 - [22] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: snip So REs and hiding Fun Meanwhile heavies in lavs go 40-0 40-0 you say. Odd. All the top 30+ kills tend to be with the best four rifles of Dust 514 and even they die a few times. I would like to know where this kind of score came from and who is achieving it. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:40:00 - [23] - Quote Then they need to either hoof it or call shotgun! If i cant run around with a light suit and chain gun then they shouldn't be able to drive, and don't say anything about light sunts arn't strong enough to carry so and so, where does the heavy put his chain gun. And heaveys are slow yea but they can still run.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3624	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:42:00 - [24] - Quote Shavan D wrote: Then they need to either hoof it or call shotgun! If i cant run around with a light suit and chain gun then they shouldn't be able to drive, and don't say anything about light sunts arn't strong enough to carry so and so, where does the heavy put his chain gun. And heaveys are slow yea but they can still run. So to keep you from dying to heavies in LAVs, all heavies should be kept from operating a LAV, just so you can get killed by a medium in a LAV? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 229	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:44:00 - [25] - Quote Light suits aren't strong enough to carry so and so. (Please learn to spell) PvE 2014
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:54:00 - [26] - Quote What I mean is the game needs so veil of balance. I like to be fair, really if things were my way, light suits would be the only thing that could pilot crap, but there would be a buch of vrap with that. People keep saying taking out heaveys is easy, ok, what if you only have milita gear and the heavey has proto or ADv gear? U do **** to them, I dont care how u dance around. Also I think heaveys shouldn't be allowed to drive they can still ride shotgun or (god helpme) man a turret. And again, give me a reason why a super heavy suit can get into a pilot seat but my assault suit can't use a chain gun or forge gun, this is all VERY fair . And if anyone says "deal with it" u don' t have to DEAL with crappy unfairness.
Shavan D Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 24	Posted - 2014.03.21 06:59:00 - [27] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Light suits aren't strong enough to carry so and so. (Please learn to spell) And Heavey suits are to fat and cumbersome to drive or pilot, not a good excuse for why things have to contiue as they are.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1830	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:01:00 - [28] - Quote It kind of makes a zero sense. A heavy has the pros of massive HP and HMG that kills anything within 30m. Their cons are slowness and range. Both easily solved with an LAV. It kind of does defeat the purpose... But, it's no different than a guy wearing a dropsuit that has 1200 shields, 4000 armor with a hardener, is immune to all handheld weapons except 3, and has unlimited stamina with a top sprint of 20m/sec.... all while carry a gun that does a 105 base damage at 400 rpm I ain't got time for dat sh!t
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1857	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:09:00 - [29] - Quote Heavies should be allowed to drive just like everyone else. However, dropsuit mass should be added into the equations for acceleration, handling and top speed. In addition to entrance/exit animations for all vehicles. The reason that it pisses people off really boils down to one thing, at least I know it does for me. The fact that you can pull up, teleport out of your vehicle, mow down a reddot or five before you're in deep armor and then teleport back into your vehicle only to speed away. I doubt people would have as much of a ***** about it if the transition wasn't instant and there was a wave of opportunity available. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3629	Posted - 2014.03.21 07:21:00 - [30] - Quote Shavan D wrote: What I mean is the game needs so veil of balance. I like to be fair, really if things were my way, light suits would be the only thing that could pilot crap, but there would be a buch of vrap with that. People keep saying taking out heaveys is easy, ok, what if you only have milita gear and the heavey has proto or ADv gear? U do **** to them, I dont care how u dance around. Also I think heaveys shouldn't be allowed to drive they can still ride shotgun or (god helpme) man a turret. And again, give me a reason why a super heavy suit can get into a pilot seat but my assault suit can't use a chain gun or forge gun, this is all VERY fair . And if anyone says "deal with it" u don' t have to DEAL with crappy unfairness. You have to understand that not everything in New Eden is built upon fairness. Mostly 98 percent of it isn't fair. It's about what we do about it. It doesn't take long for you to skill into some standard suit that is a bit better offering than MLT gear. On the other side of this coin, if you start taking on heavies, you will learn something invaluable that you will use later on as you increase in SP and skill in general. From my perspective, I don't like giving them the satisfaction. Trust me, I get pissed off too dealing with a heavy that just rolled up on me like some trigger happy SWAT team but I can't give them the satisfaction. Increase awareness of your surroundings so that you make sure you're in a good position as best as you possibly can. As explained before, assault suit cannot use a HMG or FG due to both heating problems, CPU and PG. The first is more lore based since it is explained the heavy suit is designed to handle more force than mediums. You have to think some of things out to find your answer. If a assault player was able to carry a HMG and FORGE, then what in the world could the infantry attack when they have a slow moving assault guy trying to get to an objective and defend it? You're no longer assault. Also, the PG and CPU it takes to run a HMG would gimp your medium suit. It's like a 3 year old girl holding a SAW. About fairness. I don't know what to tell you about that. New Eden isn't fair. This isn't your after school game where fairness is its main priority. But hopefully that understanding will come when you mature in your game. Cause I really don't know what to say to that besides what my coach used to say, "Throw some dirt on it and get back on that field". It's time to man up, musk up, put up or shut up. I rather beat them at their own game than for them having to handicap something for me. That victory just isn't a victory that way. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?



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