Not any time soon and certainly not in any meaningful way. Until then HAVs can continue to run on the clean alternative fuel called tears.

I wont disagree about the forge gunner thing.

A squad of 2-3 will down most any HAVer who isn't smart of playing cautiously.

But for the most part HAV are very game changing and in some cases game breaking to infantry. Some small tweaks here and there would definitely be beneficial for us all.

yeah, thanks OP. you sure showed me. I guess my Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher (that's a prototype weapon, btw) and 2 Complex Damage Mods (those are complex modules, btw) aren't trying hard enough against the Sica or Soma (those are militia tanks, btw) since 3 full volleys won't take it down through hardeners. Between my reload time and lock on time, if the enemy hasn't booked it 2000 meters back to the red line after 1 volley, he's probably AFK.

I will just try harder next time I land twelve missiles on a militia level tank hull and it doesn't pop. You have convinced me that if I concentrate more, my missiles will do the job.

Buddy, I'm sorry you don't have anyone to help you when dealing with tanks. Just find a friend and you'll be fine.

PLEASE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TANKS! They are not "OP", you are just "UP". Every match I play, since the release of 1.7, I hear people complaining about tanks. This is why I think you should shut up. If you are complaining about tanks, it's probably because you haven't skilled into AV, or tanks, or you have skilled into either one of these and you just don't know how to use TEAM-WORK to accomplish the task at hand. In either case, it's your own fault. If your complaining about tanks it's because you play this game enough to care, and if you play this game enough to care, then you should have some sort of anti-vehicle class set up, and if you don't have one, then it's your own a** that you should be kicking. If you are complaining about tanks and you don't have enough skill points to skill into AV, then you don't play this game enough to care and in any case you shouldn't be complaining about anything. Ok?! Anyone who complains about tanks, severely contradicts themselves. All it takes is 2 militia forge gunners working in unison to take down a tank, and this is coming from both a tankers' and a AR's perspective. As I do both I can respectfully evaluate this situation from both points of view. It really doesn't take much guys. You can kill both infantry and vehicles with a forge-gun. Honestly, there isn't a more powerful presence on the battlefield. A great Forge-Gunner is held in high regards. I know some who can get accepted in any corp of their choosing, some of which get paid 8 digits a week for their services. So...get good and have a nice day.

Buddy, I'm sorry you don't have anyone to help you when dealing with tanks. Just find a friend and you'll be fine.

Antecdotal banter

So your saying militia should do more damage than proto? Your saying that Sp doesn't matter? The more SP you have in something, the stronger it should be. I have 12mil into tanks. So what your saying is that you alone with your 2mil into AV should be able to bring me down? And that is balanced in your mind? Trololo yourself.

That statement is a fallacy. However for the sake of proving you wrong, I'll bite down.

In order to be a competitive AVer, you need the following skills:

• Dropsuit Command II
• Minmatar Medium Frame III
• Minmatar Assault V
• Weaponry III
• Light Weaponry IV
• Sidearm Weaponry II
• Swarm Launcher Operation V
• Swarm Launcher Proficiency V
• Sub-Machine Proficiency Operation V
• Sub-Machine Gun Proficiency V
• Explosives III
• Grenadier V
• Profile Dampening V
• Remote Explosives II
• Dropsuit Upgrades II
• Dropsuit Core Upgrades III
• Dropsuit Electronics V
• Dropsuit Engineering V

All of that requires a plentiful 12,530,040. Most of the SP is something that will only be used when someone fields a vehicle, which is not a guarantee.

While you can use your vehicle anytime, I can only use my Swarms when someone brings out a vehicle. Because of this, AV needs to be less SP intensive. Though I wouldn't consider 12,530,040 as a laughing matter.

HAVs should be soloed, as they are only operated by 1 person. I could list some more examples, but my laptop's about to die unfortunately.

The first section of the clip has 1 guy with a swarm launcher shooting at a dropship who, probably has more Sp into it than the guy has into that swarm launcher. Need I watch more?

Why would you need half of that stuff? I got a little over a million into a forge gun, prof. 3 Ishukone Assault Forge Gun, with a militia Heavy drop suit 1 complex damage mod. I 3 shot armor tanks with dual hardeners.

Wait, wait...

Proto AV (with damage mods) against militia HAV (no SP, less isk than the suit w/ proto swarms), full clip landed and you think its fine that the HAV doesn't go POP!?

TROLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!

No way.

That's 12mil SP to be a proper AVer. By your logic alone, you shouldn't be able to survive me by yourself, as I spent 530,040SP more than you.

Eat your words please.

Ok, you need proof. Go to youtube and check out my pubstomping video, there is your proof.