You think I'm just a tank driver? lol. You don't know who I am. Do you? The only argument I made for tanks before 1.5 was the fact that they cost entirely too much. AV was OP compared to the cost of tanks, both in isk and Sp. If anything, the fact that tanks are so cheap now, is carma for infantry. We are getting pay back due to so much lost before 1.7. BTW, I was the guy carrying my team with a 2000 wp gap in between me and 2nd place.

I could also ask you the same thing.

Why do you need 12mil? I have the following skills in HAVs atm:

I only have 2,344,360 SP and I have absolutely no problems slaying any and everything that comes into my path. Be it AV, Vehicles, or Infantry.

You don't need to invest SP into the modules, as they are tiericided and yield the same benefits (bar CPU/PG requirements) across all tiers (STD/ADV/PRO). The fitting on the Gunnlogi is ridiculous, and doesn't require the core skills to reduce the fitting requirements on Shield Modules.

Also, have you ever ran a Madrugar with 1 hardener and 2 Armor Repairers? You should try it sometime. It pretty much makes you invulnerable to anything other than a Wyrikomi FG or Railgun.

Why would you need half of that stuff? I got a little over a million into a forge gun, prof. 3 Ishukone Assault Forge Gun, with a militia Heavy drop suit 1 complex damage mod. I 3 shot armor tanks with dual hardeners.

It's does 1500 a shot, plus prof.3 puts it at about 1650, plus the complex damage mod, then puts it at around 1800X 3 shots. Around 5400 damage, now usually someone gets the shields down before I hit, but even then 4 shots at most, He will have repped roughly 500hp in between my shots. It just amazes me man. People walking around with blaster turrets, wearing 900 armor logi suits and people are b*th*ng about tanks. The kaakoloita Rail rifle does just as much as my basic blaster turret and has the same range, when damage mods are equipped.

You think I'm just a tank driver? lol. You don't know who I am. Do you? The only argument I made for tanks before 1.5 was the fact that they cost entirely too much. AV was OP compared to the cost of tanks, both in isk and Sp. If anything, the fact that tanks are so cheap now, is carma for infantry. We are getting pay back due to so much lost before 1.7. BTW, I was the guy carrying my team with a 2000 wp gap in between me and 2nd place.

It just accrued to me that I've been arguing with noobs. I'm sorry little guys. It's a big world out there and I just realized that you don't play enough to fully comprehend the complexity of the situation. I mean no offense when saying this. You just don't know what your talking about. The damage modifiers and hardeners have the same attributes as the basic. They do not have the same PG/CPU attributes. They vary. About the only thing you got right was the fact that shield hardeners are OP. They deduct 60% damage at the basic level, which costs 18 thousand SP to skill into. Other than that, tanks are great.

Oh, so you were a Logi hanging behind people with actual gun game and cashing in on not providing any cover fire?

It just accrued to me that I've been arguing with noobs. I'm sorry little guys. It's a big world out there and I just realized that you don't play enough to fully comprehend the complexity of the situation. I mean no offense when saying this. You just don't know what your talking about. The damage modifiers and hardeners have the same attributes as the basic. They do not have the same PG/CPU attributes. They vary. About the only thing you got right was the fact that shield hardeners are OP. They deduct 60% damage at the basic level, which costs 18 thousand SP to skill into. Other than that, tanks are great.

You don't need to invest SP into the modules, as they are tiericided and yield the same benefits (bar CPU/PG requirements) across all tiers (STD/ADV/PRO). The fitting on the Gunnlogi is ridiculous, and doesn't require the core skills to reduce the fitting requirements on Shield Modules.

ok that's the calculation without any resistance now, add hardeners:

the exact calculation is this:

1972.74 - 40% = 1183.644 per shot. you need 5 to 6 shots in order to destroy it.

If it were dual hardened, each shot damage would have been 772.14

I dropped 12 mil into tanks because I can. I have 34mil. Lifetime SP. lol. I am prepared if they decide to release other tank variants of the same race. It's not like I skilled into tanks passed level 3 for any real purpose. Once you accrue so many Sp, you get bored and start maxing everything out.

Facepalm! On paper yes. That is correct, but as we all know, stats mean nothing in this game. Theoretically, if you have 3 shield hardeners on 60%x3, minus deductions for stacking penalties, you should not take any damage....but you do. I rest my case.

No. Your a troll. Hop into my squad and I'll show you what I do and how to play. I'll be on in 20mins. k? I think I'd surprise you and open your eyes to a whole new level of support.

Wait, you do take damage on -60,-60,-60. It's a -87.41% so, for example, the forge would deal 248.367966 damage per shot

/facepalm

source here

That is incorrect. Every module stacked after the initial, is -50%. So it would be -60%,-30%,-30%. This would give you 120%. ???

So you believe that "because you can" is a valid argument? I guess that means I spent 12mil into AV "because I can" as well. By your logic, that is perfectly acceptable.

You don't need to prepare for anything. The HAV Command skill is for all of the racial HAVs (and so on and so forth for DS, ADS, and LAV command skills)

8/10

You think I'm just a tank driver? lol. You don't know who I am. Do you? The only argument I made for tanks before 1.5 was the fact that they cost entirely too much. AV was OP compared to the cost of tanks, both in isk and Sp. If anything, the fact that tanks are so cheap now, is carma for infantry. We are getting pay back due to so much lost before 1.7. BTW, I was the guy carrying my team with a 2000 wp gap in between me and 2nd place.

all these goddamn tankers ask for anyone but themselves to use teamwork, but if we need to use teamwork, then you can't fire your big cannon while your in your tank, and can only drive and use speed mods. The gunner can use the big cannon and damage mods. the AI guy who uses the swivel turret uses defensive mods

Dude, that's not what he said at all. Did you even read his post? If you can't agree with what he said then it really hurts your credibility, because you seem biased beyond being able to be reasoned with. He is saying that him, using proto AV, cannot take down a militia tank with a full clip. That either says swarms are underpowered or militia tanks are overpowered. He said absolutely nothing about militia doing more damage than proto. Or that sp doesn't matter. How much sp does it take to skill into a militia tank again?

This is what I've been saying every time I catch a Tank thread. Tanks should require teamwork to take down, fine, tanks should require teamwork to operate effectively then.

My Suggestion, make Large turrets pretty ineffective against infantry forcing the use of small turrets as anti infantry and here's how it can be done.

Large Missle Turret: Lower splash damage to 1 meter making near direct hits mandatory, that combined with a slow rotation it already has means it can direct hit other vehicles but be rough at taking out infantry.

Rail Turret: Lower splash to 1 meter as well making direct hits where it's useful for taking out vehicles.

Blaster Turrets: Give them a massive spread on their shots while upping their damage so that they can compete for damage on large targets like vehicles but again be fairly ineffective when trying to mow down infantry.

I'll call your av needs teamwork and raise you a tanks should require teamwork too.

Edit: But you don't want people to have to help you to be all around effective? Well av doesn't want to have to gang up on you to also be effective. Be a hypocrite all you want but I will point out the hypocrisy every chance I get.