CCP bonuses are amazing.
Why, just look at that RR reload bonus!
My plasma cannon will also greatly benefit from tighter hipfire!

I dont want to check cause I m writing from the Phone but you have 343 stamina... IT IS A LOT OF STAMINA!

It has 4 low slots that can be used to further buff stamina/regen
Try save complaints until after we see the suit in action
If CCP gave it higher stamina/regen then with the addition of cardiac regs
It would reach way too much stamina/regen .. this is a Scout

It is designed to be used with Biotic/Profile Modules
Not just HP buffs as has been abused with slayer logis
If you fit the Amarr Scout poorly then thats what it will be
A Poor Scout, but in the hands of a scout this suit
Could be one of the toughest opponents out there

We will see.... SOON

It's these sorts of statements that prevent anyone from actually taking the Amarr scout position seriously. Claiming any of the mini suits are OP or approaching OP is beyond ridiculous. /unsubscribe

Don't be so hard on CCP. They have spent months coming up with these.

It's these sorts of statements that prevent anyone from actually taking the Amarr scout position seriously. Claiming any of the mini suits are OP or approaching OP is beyond ridiculous. /unsubscribe

Ha yea i'll have to admit that part of his post was indeed laughable at best but still the matter of this thread is what makes the A-scout pop? What will its selling point be?

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So for those of you that didn't do so basically the minmatar has 60/s stamina regain yea I know "what about it?". Well lets look at the Amarr scout's bonus.

Amarr Scout Bonus: +5% bonus to stamina regen and max stamina per level

With that bonus the A-scouts total stamina goes from 275 -> 343.75 nice right?
and its regain 40/s (oh didn't notice that did ya?) goes up to exactly 50/s stamina regain.

Now I ask you does it seem fair for another scout with a already defined role to treed upon an already rejected scout's bonus?


P.S. I'm not trying to generalize all of CCP just the guys who came up with the bonus and those idly walked by and let it happen.

I'd like to know what the value of the extra stamina the Amar Scout has, is. How much farther can it run, what does it mean for jumping, etc? Stroking my thick neckbeared it leaves me worried the Amar's Hit-Point advantage isn't enough to cover the lower mobility.

In Armored Core I preferred the generators that had fast output at the cost of the energy storage capacity. If that translated directly into Dust I'd stick religiously to the Minja.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to shave.

LOL

Ok so minmatar sacrifice 30 eHP, in return they get fastest walking speed, fastest sprinting, fastest strafing, highest jumping, 2nd most stamina, double the closest stamina recharge, by far the easiest weapons to fit, and the most CPU. This is EVERY MINMATAR SUIT in the new paradigm.

Amarr sacrifice having the lowest walking, sprinting, strafing, jumping, the most expensive weapons fitting wise, tthe only overheating weapons (aside from the hmg), for a tiny bit more stamina recharge and the most stamina, and 30 eHP.

How about the minnie scout?

A damage bonus equal to 8-9 damage mods for the nova knife
A hacking bonus equal to a proto hacking mod
More BASE stamina recharge than the amarr scout would have with a 25% bonus!!
OH, 110% base hacking speed rather than 105% base for NO REASON other than making minmatar more OP.
Also, for some unknown reason they get 368 CPU/62PG completely breaking away from 1 PG =2.5 CPU paradigm of the other suits.

Where is the downside to this amazing suit?


As for minmatar in general:

Insanely good damage profile on their weapons (95/110?? is there a downside here?)
Most damage per trigger pull
Large MD buff


Are you kidding me? Where is the downside?

As someone who played a min scout through thick and incredibly thin, we are not OP. We are now a real scout.

I can't support Amarrian scouts getting buffed if they are calling for a minmatar nerf. You might not be, but you are framing it as such. Like a sibling whining about their older brother having something. Sounds like you should just play minmatar.

I think Amarrian scouts have the ability to have an unlimited, for all intents and purposes, stamina pool, and are also some of the most battle capable suits of the scouts. Amar scouts aren't as bad as you'd try to frame them. There's paper stats, and there are tactics. The Amar Scout has a lot of depth as far as tactics go in theory. How a player uses them is another story. As a long time scout, I can see the issue I am going to have with players who use the Amar scout effectively. Amarrian scouts will be the storm troopers of the scout world.

Also, using nova knives, even with the bonus, is not a given. It's not about paper stats, aka = 5 complex damage mods, etc. The knives are one of the things CCP really gets right as far as balance. It's not hard to see that if you spend anytime using them as a primary weapon against squads of heavies and logis.

As far as the stamina regen, while we still have to take breathers, a properly utilized amarian scout never will. They will hunt down a minja scout relentlessly, and when they eventually catch them, which they will, they will still have juice in the tank and ready to rock and roll. The minja, after such a hunt, will be at a disadvantage.

the one thing you should worry about, is you are going to be new to scouting, you will be up against players who've played in a nerfed suit since forever. You are going to have a steep learning curve.

Where's the downside? Are you serious. For a start, the weapons statement is just wrong. As scouts suits don't have weapon affinities, there is nothing from stopping you using Minmatar weapons. Claiming you're hard done by because of your weapon choice is bullshit.

As for downside...
The minimatar scout, while having many great features, has the lowest EHP of any suit in game. This is combined with two suit bonuses that require you to put yourself in a vulnerable position to make use of them by either getting within 2m of an enemy to be able to use the knife, or giving away your position through hacking an objective.

So just to recap, to make use of the amazing bonuses you describe, the weakest suit in game has to make themselves vulnerable. It's a high risk reward suit.

Speed and stamina is great, and makes the suit viable considering how weak it is physically. But do you know what's faster than my scout? Bullets. All the bullets.

And if you can explain to me how hacking speed makes any suit OP I'd be eternally grateful, particularly as all Logi suits in 1.8 will have a 1.15 bonus. Until I see Nyan San running Minmitar scout squads you're talking ****.

It does seem weird. But, Amarr dropsuits ARE the slowest race in EVE.

Minmatar need that stamina and regen to run from the masters...since when do amarr care for speed?


Maybe your looking at the amarr scout the wrong way.

Where's the downside? Are you serious. For a start, the weapons statement is just wrong. As scouts suits don't have weapon affinities, there is nothing from stopping you using Minmatar weapons. Claiming you're hard done by because of your weapon choice is bullshit.

As for downside...
The minimatar scout, while having many great features, has the lowest EHP of any suit in game. This is combined with two suit bonuses that require you to put yourself in a vulnerable position to make use of them by either getting within 2m of an enemy to be able to use the knife, or giving away your position through hacking an objective.

So just to recap, to make use of the amazing bonuses you describe, the weakest suit in game has to make themselves vulnerable. It's a high risk reward suit.

Speed and stamina is great, and makes the suit viable considering how weak it is physically. But do you know what's faster than my scout? Bullets. All the bullets.

And if you can explain to me how hacking speed makes any suit OP I'd be eternally grateful, particularly as all Logi suits in 1.8 will have a 1.15 bonus. Until I see Nyan San running Minmitar scout squads you're talking ****.

It has 4 low slots that can be used to further buff stamina/regen
Try save complaints until after we see the suit in action
If CCP gave it higher stamina/regen then with the addition of cardiac regs
It would reach way too much stamina/regen .. this is a Scout

It is designed to be used with Biotic/Profile Modules
Not just HP buffs as has been abused with slayer logis
If you fit the Amarr Scout poorly then thats what it will be
A Poor Scout, but in the hands of a scout this suit
Could be one of the toughest opponents out there

We will see.... SOON

Check out the new stats, apparently Minmatar suits all get close to DOUBLE the amarrian stamina recharge base.

It is absolutely ridiculous how insanely overpowered minmatar are getting.The scout has basically 7-8 free modules through bonuses, along with an insanely high amount of CPU coupled with a stamina recharge that is nearly double anyone else, oh and I almost forgot, +10% hacking speed rather than 5% for absolutely no good reason.

The minmatar heavy suit has 100% more stamina recharge then the amarrian one, and almost 200% more than gal/caldari.

Oh and this is of course aside from having far and away the best rifle, oh and a big damage boost to the Mass Driver, oh and an assault suit that is faster than a scout suit.....

I mean WTF CCP?

People like you are the reason I rarely visit the forums anymore. Heaven forbid a hit and run race/suit be able to hit and run, and you wonder why your cries to CCP go ignored? You're Amarr, you can't tank AND be greased lightning.

I'm still gettin it.