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Brokerib wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Brokerib wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

It is absolutely ridiculous how insanely overpowered minmatar are getting.

It's these sorts of statements that prevent anyone from actually taking the Amarr scout position seriously. Claiming any of the mini suits are OP or approaching OP is beyond ridiculous. /unsubscribe

LOL

Ok so minmatar sacrifice 30 eHP, in return they get fastest walking speed, fastest sprinting, fastest strafing, highest jumping, 2nd most stamina, double the closest stamina recharge, by far the easiest weapons to fit, and the most CPU. This is EVERY MINMATAR SUIT in the new paradigm.

Amarr sacrifice having the lowest walking, sprinting, strafing, jumping, the most expensive weapons fitting wise, tthe only overheating weapons (aside from the hmg), for a tiny bit more stamina recharge and the most stamina, and 30 eHP.

How about the minnie scout?

A damage bonus equal to 8-9 damage mods for the nova knife
A hacking bonus equal to a proto hacking mod
More BASE stamina recharge than the amarr scout would have with a 25% bonus!!
OH, 110% base hacking speed rather than 105% base for NO REASON other than making minmatar more OP.
Also, for some unknown reason they get 368 CPU/62PG completely breaking away from 1 PG =2.5 CPU paradigm of the other suits.

Where is the downside to this amazing suit?

As for minmatar in general:

Insanely good damage profile on their weapons (95/110?? is there a downside here?)
Most damage per trigger pull
Large MD buff

Are you kidding me? Where is the downside?

Where's the downside? Are you serious. For a start, the weapons statement is just wrong. As scouts suits don't have weapon affinities, there is nothing from stopping you using Minmatar weapons. Claiming you're hard done by because of your weapon choice is bullshit.

As for downside...
The minimatar scout, while having many great features, has the lowest EHP of any suit in game. This is combined with two suit bonuses that require you to put yourself in a vulnerable position to make use of them by either getting within 2m of an enemy to be able to use the knife, or giving away your position through hacking an objective.

So just to recap, to make use of the amazing bonuses you describe, the weakest suit in game has to make themselves vulnerable. It's a high risk reward suit.

Speed and stamina is great, and makes the suit viable considering how weak it is physically. But do you know what's faster than my scout? Bullets. All the bullets.

And if you can explain to me how hacking speed makes any suit OP I'd be eternally grateful, particularly as all Logi suits in 1.8 will have a 1.15 bonus. Until I see Nyan San running Minmitar scout squads you're talking ****.

While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.


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Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.03.13 22:16:00 - [1] - Quote Check out the new stats, apparently Minmatar suits all get close to DOUBLE the amarrian stamina recharge base. It is absolutely ridiculous how insanely overpowered minmatar are getting.The scout has basically 7-8 free modules through bonuses, along with an insanely high amount of CPU coupled with a stamina recharge that is nearly double anyone else, oh and I almost forgot, +10% hacking speed rather than 5% for absolutely no good reason. The minmatar heavy suit has 100% more stamina recharge then the amarrian one, and almost 200% more than gal/caldari. Oh and this is of course aside from having far and away the best rifle, oh and a big damage boost to the Mass Driver, oh and an assault suit that is faster than a scout suit..... I mean WTF CCP? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 478	Posted - 2014.03.13 23:19:00 - [2] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: It is absolutely ridiculous how insanely overpowered minmatar are getting. It's these sorts of statements that prevent anyone from actually taking the Amarr scout position seriously. Claiming any of the mini suits are OP or approaching OP is beyond ridiculous. /unsubscribe LOL Ok so minmatar sacrifice 30 eHP, in return they get fastest walking speed, fastest sprinting, fastest strafing, highest jumping, 2nd most stamina, double the closest stamina recharge, by far the easiest weapons to fit, and the most CPU. This is EVERY MINMATAR SUIT in the new paradigm. Amarr sacrifice having the lowest walking, sprinting, strafing, jumping, the most expensive weapons fitting wise, tthe only overheating weapons (aside from the hmg), for a tiny bit more stamina recharge and the most stamina, and 30 eHP. How about the minnie scout? A damage bonus equal to 8-9 damage mods for the nova knife A hacking bonus equal to a proto hacking mod More BASE stamina recharge than the amarr scout would have with a 25% bonus!! OH, 110% base hacking speed rather than 105% base for NO REASON other than making minmatar more OP. Also, for some unknown reason they get 368 CPU/62PG completely breaking away from 1 PG =2.5 CPU paradigm of the other suits. Where is the downside to this amazing suit? As for minmatar in general: Insanely good damage profile on their weapons (95/110?? is there a downside here?) Most damage per trigger pull Large MD buff Are you kidding me? Where is the downside? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 481	Posted - 2014.03.13 23:59:00 - [3] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Brokerib wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: It is absolutely ridiculous how insanely overpowered minmatar are getting. It's these sorts of statements that prevent anyone from actually taking the Amarr scout position seriously. Claiming any of the mini suits are OP or approaching OP is beyond ridiculous. /unsubscribe LOL Ok so minmatar sacrifice 30 eHP, in return they get fastest walking speed, fastest sprinting, fastest strafing, highest jumping, 2nd most stamina, double the closest stamina recharge, by far the easiest weapons to fit, and the most CPU. This is EVERY MINMATAR SUIT in the new paradigm. Amarr sacrifice having the lowest walking, sprinting, strafing, jumping, the most expensive weapons fitting wise, tthe only overheating weapons (aside from the hmg), for a tiny bit more stamina recharge and the most stamina, and 30 eHP. How about the minnie scout? A damage bonus equal to 8-9 damage mods for the nova knife A hacking bonus equal to a proto hacking mod More BASE stamina recharge than the amarr scout would have with a 25% bonus!! OH, 110% base hacking speed rather than 105% base for NO REASON other than making minmatar more OP. Also, for some unknown reason they get 368 CPU/62PG completely breaking away from 1 PG =2.5 CPU paradigm of the other suits. Where is the downside to this amazing suit? As for minmatar in general: Insanely good damage profile on their weapons (95/110?? is there a downside here?) Most damage per trigger pull Large MD buff Are you kidding me? Where is the downside? Where's the downside? Are you serious. For a start, the weapons statement is just wrong. As scouts suits don't have weapon affinities, there is nothing from stopping you using Minmatar weapons. Claiming you're hard done by because of your weapon choice is bullshit. As for downside... The minimatar scout, while having many great features, has the lowest EHP of any suit in game. This is combined with two suit bonuses that require you to put yourself in a vulnerable position to make use of them by either getting within 2m of an enemy to be able to use the knife, or giving away your position through hacking an objective. So just to recap, to make use of the amazing bonuses you describe, the weakest suit in game has to make themselves vulnerable. It's a high risk reward suit. Speed and stamina is great, and makes the suit viable considering how weak it is physically. But do you know what's faster than my scout? Bullets. All the bullets. And if you can explain to me how hacking speed makes any suit OP I'd be eternally grateful, particularly as all Logi suits in 1.8 will have a 1.15 bonus. Until I see Nyan San running Minmitar scout squads you're talking ****. No it really does matter. In new eden, empires design their suits/ships to be used with their weapons. This is set in stone cannon dating from 2003. The fact that CCP Shanghai is giving a minmatar suit a bonus to a caldari weapon is unprecedented in new eden, and should show you how entirely clueless the dev in charge of these things is. The weapon statement is right. I already listed exactly what minmatar get for the 30 eHP sacrifice, and it is ALOT. Your 2m comment might mean anything at all if cloaks weren't a thing, but they are. Mark my words, come 1.8, the new FotM will be minnie cloaking scouts OHKO'ing almost every suit in the game. Oh and that exposure due to hacking, you know, that every other suit has?? Well the minnie scout only presents a target for 6 seconds OR LESS. Yeah, definately a HUGE ADVANTAGE. Also why in the world would you choose a scout as an assault suit? Especially when the minmatar assault suit is FASTER THAN the amarr scout while having more eHP. In the end here is the point. You can quite easily put a value on bonuses when there are modules that can achieve the same effect. The minmatar scout is getting basically 8+ free modules strapped on to the suit. That is way more than any other suit in game, hell it is more than any two suits in game. The amarr suit otoh? It has a bonus worth less than 1 module. It used to have an advantage in both stamina and stamina recovery over the minnie suits. Now even with the bonus maxed out, the amarr suit cannot compete with the BASE stats of the minnie suit. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 481	Posted - 2014.03.14 00:11:00 - [4] - Quote Ok, sorry just incredibly pissed that CCP found a way to make the amarr scout even worse than the initial announced specs. The amarr scout, as stated before, has no role that it can excel at when compared with the other suits. To examine this, we should look at the roles the other scout suits have, and how they excel in those roles. Minmatar: Stealthy hack/assassin The most mobile of all eve suits, this suit will be able to quickly enter an area, kill the guards, hack the objective, and be gone before anyone realizes what is happening. Caldari: Stealthy Surveillance This suit is designed to secretly monitor an area without giving itself away. This suit will be adept at intelligence gathering and choosing it's own engagements. Gallente: The ghost This suit is designed to lurk in the shadows, undetectable by the enemy. Able to avoid detection from both passive and active sensors, this suit will have freedom of movement across the battlefield in order to flank it's opponents. Amarr: The gimp This suit is meant to make the others seem exceptional by merit of it's own incompetent design. Having a larger stamina pool, this suit can run long distances very slowly while being visible to all. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 488	Posted - 2014.03.14 07:10:00 - [5] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Your going on like it needs to be equal or the best, least it hasn't been released yet an you didn't spend 8 months in a horrid suit like I did with minmatar then grind out to get galenete! You wanna talk stupid, your not even a full time scout, an your flipping over a suitYOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEC INTO! Why cuz it's amar? That's stupid! Why don't you wait until its changed, least your getting a suit with 6 slots, a cloak an two equipments when the rest of us had the worst suit for 8 months and it never got fixed till now! Damn dude at least you have the option to get all your sp back and not waste it on something that sucks! What do you think it should have? It's supposed to have more HP and be slower we all knew this, what do you want 22 shots in scp? 800 stamina? Tell us what should it have? A reason to exist. EDIT: fixed that horrible thing you called formatting While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 536	Posted - 2014.03.15 17:06:00 - [6] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: ONCE AGAIN you repetitive...... Sorry, once again the thread is about its bonus not its base stats How naive are you??? A speed tank suit with a bonus to speed tank 4 lows make it tankable with Biotics, Stamina boost is a good bonus The Bonus will work quite well, if the suit is used correctly Cardiac Regs Then it will be a beast, please save you QQ until we use the suit Amarr Scout in the hands of a Speed tanker will be awesome Amarr Scout w/ 4 Cardiac Regs It isn't a speed tanked suit. Even with the bonus, the amarr scout can barely keep up with the caldari and gallete scouts, and the minmatar still out classes it. This is of course referring to a foot race, the most optimal type of comparison for a stamina bonus. Dude you are wrong, just move on. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.