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Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1132	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:44:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: But then they wouldn't be able to experiment with the MLT items whilist inside the Battle Academy. The practical approach, would be to make the 250k ISK non-transferable. You have a weird interpretation of the word "practical"... Did you perhaps by accident look it up in the antonym thesaurus?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:44:00 - [32] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Whatever happens I hope they take a firm stance on this, perma ban the offenders and revert as much of the ISK as possible. I don't think perma-ban the offenders would be the right course of action. If they perma-ban the people who were abusing this game mechanic to generate ISK from the academy, then they'd also have to perma-ban the people who were abusing game mechanics to generate ISK from DIstrict Locking as well. So that would be what, 80% of the playerbase? I'd say to remove the ISK of course, but don't perma-ban the players. While I think district locking was abused, I think it's pretty far from the level of exploit that biomass isk farms represent. District locking was, in and of itself, intended by CCP. Maybe they didn't intend for it to be so easy, but it was clear to them for a long time that it was happening, and they only just decided it was an issue. Farming 30 alts a day isn't something that could even remotely be misconstrued as intentional. It is a clear cut exploit, and people should be punished for it. I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. CCP does allow certain shenanigans to continue such as the PC District Locking because that's how they designed it (of course, they're changing that), but Alt Recycling as we see now is NOT one shenanigan CCP would let go unpunished. This is clearly a huge exploit that is apparently competing against PC District Locking and anyone caught doing it deserves the most severe punishments including a ban and total confiscation of ISK. If the ISK was used to buy assets, then those assets get confiscated too. They did this several times already in Eve Online when CCP was cracking down heavily on Bot farms and RMT rings in Null-Sec space. A major alliance lost a huge chunk of its wallets and assets to CCP's ATF-style raid once they were caught. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1817	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:46:00 - [33] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Whatever happens I hope they take a firm stance on this, perma ban the offenders and revert as much of the ISK as possible. I don't think perma-ban the offenders would be the right course of action. If they perma-ban the people who were abusing this game mechanic to generate ISK from the academy, then they'd also have to perma-ban the people who were abusing game mechanics to generate ISK from DIstrict Locking as well. So that would be what, 80% of the playerbase? I'd say to remove the ISK of course, but don't perma-ban the players. See, Atilim makes an excellent point. CCP cannot afford to alienate anyone in the community if they can avoid it. They need a legitimately growing customer base. I get that this is Priority One. But I worry that this might lead them to ignore this kind of problem "until DUST grows up a bit". But that is like not treating the cancer because patients don't like chemo. There are other options than a swiftly swung ban-hammer. But they really need to consider and ACT to prevent this from undermining the game in its infancy. Again, prior to even suggesting or agreeing upon a course of action, I believe what must happen next is CCP should honestly and transparently recognize the issue and publicly commit to resolving it. Of course, given thier carteblanche company policy of not responding to customers or communicating in an open and direct manner, there may be little hope of progress. Thank you all for your consideration of this matter Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5670	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:50:00 - [34] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: You have a weird interpretation of the word "practical"... Did you perhaps by accident look it up in the antonym thesaurus? Please, explain how my suggestion is impractical. Also: Quote: Quote: Quote: (of an idea, plan, or method) likely to succeed or be effective in real circumstances; feasible. suitable for a particular purpose. so nearly the case that it can be regarded as so; virtual. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5670	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:52:00 - [35] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 18:58:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. Agree. CCP needs the punishment to be selective, not broad. I earned my 20 million ISK fair and square and I will be royally pissed off beyond all control if I were to lose that because some greedy ass bastards decided to exploit the system and I had nothing to do with it. It's unfair. Besides, CCP knows who did this. They have the data and so does Chribba. They have the names and the money trail. Just punish these alt-recycling farmers like how they punish RMTers and Bot users in Eve Online. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1817	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:00:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. IDK, I still like the idea I proposed a few weeks back. Reset everyone's Isk back to 0. For everyday you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 1m Isk. For every month you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 10m Isk. For each iteration of Uprising you've been here for, you get 25m Isk. If you were here for Uprising 1.0, you get 100m. If you were here for the first day of Open Beta, you get 250m. Only applies to characters who've been active for at least 10 battles over the past two weeks. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 113	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:07:00 - [38] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. WaitGÇª what? Because some people abuse a system, all should be punished? No, this most certainly is not a solution to this problem. While I think PC farming is ridiculous, it is CCPGÇÖs responsibility to fix it. They created a game mode that a small portion of the player base can exploit and they should have fixed the issue as soon as the problem became apparent. If locking the whole PC was the only solution, then they should have done just that. Biomassing characters in a large scale to gain ISK is different, even if itGÇÖs similarly abusing the system. This is not a system created by CCP but made possible by Sony. Sony allows several different PSNGÇÖs on one console and that is the only reason this is even possible to do. It wouldnGÇÖt be a practical way of making ISK if you could only work with two characters at a time because you could only make 500K a day. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:09:00 - [39] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Atiim wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. IDK, I still like the idea I proposed a few weeks back. Reset everyone's Isk back to 0. For everyday you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 1m Isk. For every month you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 10m Isk. For each iteration of Uprising you've been here for, you get 25m Isk. If you were here for Uprising 1.0, you get 100m. If you were here for the first day of Open Beta, you get 250m. Only applies to characters who've been active for at least 10 battles over the past two weeks. I don't ever see this happening. Besides, this will probably generate far more ISK than the alt-recycling method and cause even more problems. On top of that, it will just give me FREE ISK which I didn't earn. I have 20 Million ISK and your numbers will just give me an extra 230 million which I don't deserve. And that's just for me alone. Let's not forget the number of characters in existence. Even if only 10,000 characters are selected, that will equal 2.3 Trillion ISK injected into the economy without player involvement which is a very bad idea. CCP's economic adviser will never allow it. Period. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2974	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:09:00 - [40] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Atiim wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. Agree. CCP needs the punishment to be selective, not broad. I earned my 20 million ISK fair and square and I will be royally pissed off beyond all control if I were to lose that because some greedy ass bastards decided to exploit the system and I had nothing to do with it. It's unfair. Besides, CCP knows who did this. They have the data and so does Chribba. They have the names and the money trail. Just punish these alt-recycling farmers like how they punish RMTers and Bot users in Eve Online. All my 440mil was hard earned Intelligence is OP

CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1023	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:12:00 - [41] - Quote It doesn't surprise me. I have heard from people I play with about this. What is surprising however is the amount of isk some people are making doing this. It worries me, I wonder what the actual NEW PLAYER amount is per day? Possibly only a % of that number. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB ZERG EVENT 1MILLION CLONES! LETS DO THIS
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:19:00 - [42] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: It doesn't surprise me. I have heard from people I play with about this. What is surprising however is the amount of isk some people are making doing this. It worries me, I wonder what the actual NEW PLAYER amount is per day? Possibly only a % of that number. We have to punish those people quickly and hard. Ban their accounts and confiscate their ISK and assets involved no more than a day before or after fixing the exploit. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Proto Annihilator Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:20:00 - [43] - Quote How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12223	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:21:00 - [44] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Atiim wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. IDK, I still like the idea I proposed a few weeks back. Reset everyone's Isk back to 0. For everyday you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 1m Isk. For every month you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 10m Isk. For each iteration of Uprising you've been here for, you get 25m Isk. If you were here for Uprising 1.0, you get 100m. If you were here for the first day of Open Beta, you get 250m. Only applies to characters who've been active for at least 10 battles over the past two weeks. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal honestly. If you haven't been exploiting the system, you have nothing to worry about. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:24:00 - [45] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk. Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits? Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1817	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:27:00 - [46] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Atiim wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Total Wealth reset for all? All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen). Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem. Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk. But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. IDK, I still like the idea I proposed a few weeks back. Reset everyone's Isk back to 0. For everyday you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 1m Isk. For every month you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 10m Isk. For each iteration of Uprising you've been here for, you get 25m Isk. If you were here for Uprising 1.0, you get 100m. If you were here for the first day of Open Beta, you get 250m. Only applies to characters who've been active for at least 10 battles over the past two weeks. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal honestly. If you haven't been exploiting the system, you have nothing to worry about. Aside from being financially crushed by the farmers who've been exploiting PC since day one. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
DootDoot Da Short Buss 244	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:28:00 - [47] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: DootDoot wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Oh so thats what thread was about I know someone who currently recycles about 30charas on 10 PSN accounts, i think he spends more time doing that than playing the game Mr Kashuken, Would you agree with the article's author that this kind of behavior, when practiced by many players, could contribute to substantial economic and gameplay imbalance for DUST and, eventually EVE? CCP, anything to add? [CCP]Saberwing said they're looking into it. They can easily track everyone who's done it, so hopefully they reverse the ISK and hand out bans. Fixing the issue should be fairly simple. CCP just needs to take a hard stance on this kind of behavior and start handing out public bans... These players are maliciously trying to cheat the entire game at the expense of a new to DUST player starting with a measly 250k. Taking advantage of terrible game mechanics is on CCP head for blame... Turbo Controllers, Sprint, Melee, Sprint.. Equipment spam... etc... But taking advantage of the character creation process and the new player creation process is straight up with malicious intent. This character recycling can only be done because of the way CCP designed the character creation process so why isn't this also on their head? Conversely, why isn't all of this **** on the head of the person who is perpetrating it? I just think it is funny that it is apparently perfectly alright to use Turbo controllers, Sprint/Melee/Sprint etc, though someone who is doing something to create profit for themselves without directly harming anyone else is "malicious intent". Oh, you, double standards, you'll never cease to amaze me. IMHO, Biomass Isk farms and Molden Heath Farmville are no different than one another. Actually, IMHO, MH Farmville is worse if you ask me since they are actively denying portions of the playerbase from participating in their little circlejerk. Anyone can biomass Isk farm without kissing ass or fellating some tin god, the same cannot be said of PC Farmville. Maybe you missed directly where it says this is against the game rules. It states this clearly. All those other things where never mentioned or even understood that they where around by CCP until players mentioned. CCP knew this could happen and clearly wrote down a set of rules about it. Ignorance isn't an excuse.
Proto Annihilator Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:34:00 - [48] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk. Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits? CCP doesn't think the same way we do. something that passes their brainstorm and think tanks is circumvented by the community before it even hits the servers. Everyone already has their plans to lock districts and profit if they need to. CCP made it harder to do but not airtight. some things they cant fix or it takes more effort than its worth. Lets say you had 10 alts and used 2 slots on each alt for isk farming. How long would it take to get 100,000,000? how much time would you spend doing it a day? Wouldn't finding a name be hard? Would it be more profitable to run ambush in bpo?To most people its a waste of time. There are some who have nothing but time.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12223	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:46:00 - [49] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk. Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits? CCP doesn't think the same way we do. something that passes their brainstorm and think tanks is circumvented by the community before it even hits the servers. Everyone already has their plans to lock districts and profit if they need to. CCP made it harder to do but not airtight. some things they cant fix or it takes more effort than its worth. Lets say you had 10 alts and used 2 slots on each alt for isk farming. How long would it take to get 100,000,000? how much time would you spend doing it a day? Wouldn't finding a name be hard? Would it be more profitable to run ambush in bpo?To most people its a waste of time. There are some who have nothing but time. You can earn SIGNIFICANTLY more ISK this way than any other method currently in game. It's an exploit, period. CCP is looking at it, and at best, those doing this can expect their ISK farm to be shut down, at worst they can kiss all that ISK and possibly their accounts goodbye. The only way we fix the game is by constantly highlighting these issues and continuously pushing the importance of fixing them to CCP. It may take a while, but progress is made. I for one hope the punishment is swift and harsh, but it probably won't be. ::grabs popcorn:: Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2975	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:53:00 - [50] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk. Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits? CCP doesn't think the same way we do. something that passes their brainstorm and think tanks is circumvented by the community before it even hits the servers. Everyone already has their plans to lock districts and profit if they need to. CCP made it harder to do but not airtight. some things they cant fix or it takes more effort than its worth. Lets say you had 10 alts and used 2 slots on each alt for isk farming. How long would it take to get 100,000,000? how much time would you spend doing it a day? Wouldn't finding a name be hard? Would it be more profitable to run ambush in bpo?To most people its a waste of time. There are some who have nothing but time. Follow the ISK It leaves a trail that CCP can easily see Intelligence is OP

Proto Annihilator Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:56:00 - [51] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk. Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits? CCP doesn't think the same way we do. something that passes their brainstorm and think tanks is circumvented by the community before it even hits the servers. Everyone already has their plans to lock districts and profit if they need to. CCP made it harder to do but not airtight. some things they cant fix or it takes more effort than its worth. Lets say you had 10 alts and used 2 slots on each alt for isk farming. How long would it take to get 100,000,000? how much time would you spend doing it a day? Wouldn't finding a name be hard? Would it be more profitable to run ambush in bpo?To most people its a waste of time. There are some who have nothing but time. You can earn SIGNIFICANTLY more ISK this way than any other method currently in game. It's an exploit, period. CCP is looking at it, and at best, those doing this can expect their ISK farm to be shut down, at worst they can kiss all that ISK and possibly their accounts goodbye. The only way we fix the game is by constantly highlighting these issues and continuously pushing the importance of fixing them to CCP. It may take a while, but progress is made. I for one hope the punishment is swift and harsh, but it probably won't be. ::grabs popcorn:: So you are saying this is worth doing? How much can I make each day? How Many hours will I spend each day "earning" my isk using this method?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12224	Posted - 2014.03.13 19:58:00 - [52] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk. Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits? CCP doesn't think the same way we do. something that passes their brainstorm and think tanks is circumvented by the community before it even hits the servers. Everyone already has their plans to lock districts and profit if they need to. CCP made it harder to do but not airtight. some things they cant fix or it takes more effort than its worth. Lets say you had 10 alts and used 2 slots on each alt for isk farming. How long would it take to get 100,000,000? how much time would you spend doing it a day? Wouldn't finding a name be hard? Would it be more profitable to run ambush in bpo?To most people its a waste of time. There are some who have nothing but time. You can earn SIGNIFICANTLY more ISK this way than any other method currently in game. It's an exploit, period. CCP is looking at it, and at best, those doing this can expect their ISK farm to be shut down, at worst they can kiss all that ISK and possibly their accounts goodbye. The only way we fix the game is by constantly highlighting these issues and continuously pushing the importance of fixing them to CCP. It may take a while, but progress is made. I for one hope the punishment is swift and harsh, but it probably won't be. ::grabs popcorn:: So you are saying this is worth doing? How much can I make each day? How Many hours will I spend each day "earning" my isk using this method? Each account nets you 1.5 milliion ISK per day per 5-6 minutes, so it's just up to you how much time you want to put into it. Also, all the ISK is tracked, so do try to be sly about it. ::continues eating popcorn:: Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Proto Annihilator Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:03:00 - [53] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Each account nets you 1.5 milliion ISK per day per 5-6 minutes, so it's just up to you how much time you want to put into it. Also, all the ISK is tracked, so do try to be sly about it. ::continues eating popcorn:: Why isn't everyone doing this? There has to be a catch.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 466	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:09:00 - [54] - Quote Am I the only one that read the line "CCP has already shown with their band aid to Planetary Conquest that they can be swift and thorough" and just lol'ed... Otherwise, nice write-up. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Proto Annihilator Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 73	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:10:00 - [55] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Am I the only one that read the line "CCP has already shown with their band aid to Planetary Conquest that they can be swift and thorough" and just lol... Otherwise, nice write-up. I lold there too.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 121	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:19:00 - [56] - Quote Ace Starburst wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: The easiest (and safe) way would be to block ISK transfer below a minimum wallet balance of 250,000 ISK. (I.e a character with 1mil ISK can maximum transfer 750,000, always leaving 250,000 left in the wallet.) That way a newborn can only transfer what they actually earn in battle, and gives an extra safety net against (accidentally) empty you wallet in a transfer. That would solve the initial problem, but unless some other function was created they would be able transfer that initial 250K into items and then possibly transfer those to another character to then make a profit off of. I don't believe we will ever have item transfer, only ISK. (That is what the future player market is for) My suggestion also don't earmark the initial 250,000 ISK in any way, it just puts a minimum (remaining) limit in the wallet for all players, old and new. Clarification: I don't advocate a minimum limit of 250,000 ISK in general, only with transfers. You should still be able to go to 0 ISK if you buy stuff. If you then want to transfer ISK you first need to go above 250,000, and then only transfer what goes beyond that.
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 870	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:22:00 - [57] - Quote While I applaud ccp's astounding work ethic ( just so damn busy coding your fingers off you don't have time to reply to every whine post we come up with) I am concerned that thier continued silence on this ( and a plethora of other worthy issues) will continue to degrade the community's unswerving faith in thier commitment to excellent service and product development. On another front, I was reading some very good articles yesterday coming out of SXSW about the monetization and sustainability of F2P games. How's that going, CCP?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7352	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:23:00 - [58] - Quote Regis Blackbird wrote: Ace Starburst wrote: Regis Blackbird wrote: The easiest (and safe) way would be to block ISK transfer below a minimum wallet balance of 250,000 ISK. (I.e a character with 1mil ISK can maximum transfer 750,000, always leaving 250,000 left in the wallet.) That way a newborn can only transfer what they actually earn in battle, and gives an extra safety net against (accidentally) empty you wallet in a transfer. That would solve the initial problem, but unless some other function was created they would be able transfer that initial 250K into items and then possibly transfer those to another character to then make a profit off of. I don't believe we will ever have item transfer, only ISK. (That is what the future player market is for) My suggestion also don't earmark the initial 250,000 ISK in any way, it just puts a minimum (remaining) limit in the wallet for all players, old and new. Eve Online allows direct item transfers via Item Exchange Contract or P2P trade windows. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 577	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:25:00 - [59] - Quote Freaking OCD players are going to break the game,this wasn't a problem in BETA when your made your character having no money on him, he had everything he needed to start from the get go(paid skill books and starterfits) from picking this role and specialization(enforcer,arbitors etc..). I blame CCP lack of supervision on the NPE for this...look what happens when you dont actally help newplayers, LOOK! A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1817	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:25:00 - [60] - Quote @dootdoot I am unaware of CCP specifically stating that, care to link it? Regardless, I still find the double standard amusing. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber



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