|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7347
   |
Posted - 2014.03.13 16:33:00 -
[1] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:Im guessing this will go on for about 6 month from the day it was brought up, just like the no risk district locking.
An easy fix is to not give new players 250,000 ISK. They get cash when they graduate from the battle academy instead.
On your first point, I doubt CCP would let something like this sit for that long considering the grave impact this has on the future economy. Generating ISK by means of recycling characters rather than just actually playing the game is a major game-breaking exploit that needs to be fixed pronto.
Eve Online seems to get it right at least where new characters are concerned.
In Eve, your characters starts off with only a bare-bones 5,000 ISK as an inheritance and biomass time is at least 24 hours long. Of course, a while after thinking of this concept, there is the PlayStation Network's nature to consider here. It's extremely easy to create new accounts without having to worry about the size of your wallet. So the PSN alone makes it far too easy to circumvent the 5,000 ISK and 24 hour limit. That said, there can only be one possible solution now after thinking deeply about it.
REMOVE ALL STARTER ISK UPON CREATING A NEW CHARACTER. NO EXCEPTIONS.
Some people will point out that this idea is not fair for the new player who will have to later on invest some ISK for purchasing skill books and gear from the market in order to progress. But that excuse is not a valid excuse and here is why.
Every character that is created comes complete with a set of starter suits with starter gear. This is the Dust equivalent of the Eve Online rookie ships which are free every time you dock up in a station in a pod and the station you dock in doesn't have any of your ships. The rookie ships themselves also come with a civilian mining laser for some profit making and a civilian turret for self defense. Just like the Eve rookie ships, those Dust starter suits have everything you need. All you have to do is grind a couple of matches and you get enough ISK to get a new skill book if you have to without having to worry about replenishing your stock. They are just like the BPOs only with certain limitations but even then you're not losing anything when you die in these suits.
Some people will say that starter fits are useless. That is not true and here is why. Here we look to Eve Online's rookie ships as an example. During the time of Hulkageddon, a New Eden pass time where mining ships in high-sec space are suicide ganked as a major blood sport for bragging rights and rewards, there were fleets known as "The Fleet of a Thousand Ibises" where literally a fleet of a thousand Ibises fitted only with one turret was enough to suicide gank even a Hulk (the strongest exhumer-class mining ship of its time) back then and still make a profit from the wreck they created on top of the rewards they got with only the cost of one decent turret and the equivalent of a damage mod. This same fleet composition was also sometimes used in null-sec roams and are able to take down destroyers, cruisers, and even battlecruisers and maybe a battleship. Think of an ant pile swarming an intruder and each of those ants happen to be fire ants. Have you ever been bitten by a swarm of fire ants? It ain't fun and you'll just have a bad day despite the fact that you are hundreds of times bigger than they are. So a well-trained and organized squad of starter suits will just mop the floor with the blood of proto suits any day. So if you only have starter fits and you're still broke, just join a corp that will help you learn how to fight effectively with what little you have.
So there. There is NO excuse anymore for having the starter ISK for new characters. Just remove the starter ISK in general and we're all good and gravy.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7349
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 16:43:00 -
[2] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Im guessing this will go on for about 6 month from the day it was brought up, just like the no risk district locking.
An easy fix is to not give new players 250,000 ISK. They get cash when they graduate from the battle academy instead. But then they wouldn't be able to experiment with the MLT items whilist inside the Battle Academy. The practical approach, would be to make the 250k ISK non-transferable.
Please read my last post. They won't need the starter ISK if all they have to do to buy militia gear is to grind 2-3 matches in starter suits.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7350
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 17:10:00 -
[3] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:No isk transfer for 30 days on character creation, it would take that look to grind out anything worth sending to a main anyway. If you where uaing the character as a legit alt
What's stop them from cycling their characters to circumvent that?
Day 1: Alt 001, Alt 002, Alt 003, etc. transfers starter ISK to Main Character.
Day 2: Alt 011, Alt 012, Alt 013, etc. transfers starter ISK to Main Character.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Day 30: Alt 120, Alt 121, Alt 122, etc. transfers starters ISK to Main Character.
... Monthly cycle starts over.
.
.
.
Day 1: Alt 001, Alt 002, Alt 003, etc. transfers starter ISK to Main Character.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7351
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 18:44:00 -
[4] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Atiim wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Whatever happens I hope they take a firm stance on this, perma ban the offenders and revert as much of the ISK as possible. I don't think perma-ban the offenders would be the right course of action. If they perma-ban the people who were abusing this game mechanic to generate ISK from the academy, then they'd also have to perma-ban the people who were abusing game mechanics to generate ISK from DIstrict Locking as well. So that would be what, 80% of the playerbase?  I'd say to remove the ISK of course, but don't perma-ban the players. While I think district locking was abused, I think it's pretty far from the level of exploit that biomass isk farms represent. District locking was, in and of itself, intended by CCP. Maybe they didn't intend for it to be so easy, but it was clear to them for a long time that it was happening, and they only just decided it was an issue. Farming 30 alts a day isn't something that could even remotely be misconstrued as intentional. It is a clear cut exploit, and people should be punished for it.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. CCP does allow certain shenanigans to continue such as the PC District Locking because that's how they designed it (of course, they're changing that), but Alt Recycling as we see now is NOT one shenanigan CCP would let go unpunished. This is clearly a huge exploit that is apparently competing against PC District Locking and anyone caught doing it deserves the most severe punishments including a ban and total confiscation of ISK. If the ISK was used to buy assets, then those assets get confiscated too. They did this several times already in Eve Online when CCP was cracking down heavily on Bot farms and RMT rings in Null-Sec space. A major alliance lost a huge chunk of its wallets and assets to CCP's ATF-style raid once they were caught.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7351
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 18:58:00 -
[5] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:
Total Wealth reset for all?
All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen).
Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye
Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye
Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem.
Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk.
But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way.
Agree. CCP needs the punishment to be selective, not broad. I earned my 20 million ISK fair and square and I will be royally pissed off beyond all control if I were to lose that because some greedy ass bastards decided to exploit the system and I had nothing to do with it. It's unfair.
Besides, CCP knows who did this. They have the data and so does Chribba. They have the names and the money trail. Just punish these alt-recycling farmers like how they punish RMTers and Bot users in Eve Online.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7351
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 19:09:00 -
[6] - Quote
Alaika Arbosa wrote:Atiim wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:
Total Wealth reset for all?
All wealth Asset or liquid goes away (aside from things that can only be gained through salvage like Officer weapons) and nothing else gets changed (except for the broken mechanics that allowed the farming to happen).
Kiss Biomass Isk farm Isk goodbye
Kiss Farmville Isk goodbye
Everyone gets a fresh start back to a 0 Wallet balance while retaining their SP, I think that would solve a lot of the problem.
Just don't do it until you've fixed the Farmville stupidity and improved NPE while taking away the starting Isk.
But that would punish those who were wise with their ISK, and earned it legitimately. There's a much better way. IDK, I still like the idea I proposed a few weeks back. Reset everyone's Isk back to 0. For everyday you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 1m Isk. For every month you've been here since the start of Open Beta, you get 10m Isk. For each iteration of Uprising you've been here for, you get 25m Isk. If you were here for Uprising 1.0, you get 100m. If you were here for the first day of Open Beta, you get 250m. Only applies to characters who've been active for at least 10 battles over the past two weeks.
I don't ever see this happening. Besides, this will probably generate far more ISK than the alt-recycling method and cause even more problems. On top of that, it will just give me FREE ISK which I didn't earn. I have 20 Million ISK and your numbers will just give me an extra 230 million which I don't deserve. And that's just for me alone. Let's not forget the number of characters in existence. Even if only 10,000 characters are selected, that will equal 2.3 Trillion ISK injected into the economy without player involvement which is a very bad idea. CCP's economic adviser will never allow it. Period.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7351
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 19:19:00 -
[7] - Quote
CommanderBolt wrote:It doesn't surprise me. I have heard from people I play with about this. What is surprising however is the amount of isk some people are making doing this.
It worries me, I wonder what the actual NEW PLAYER amount is per day? Possibly only a % of that number.
We have to punish those people quickly and hard.
Ban their accounts and confiscate their ISK and assets involved no more than a day before or after fixing the exploit.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7351
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 19:24:00 -
[8] - Quote
Proto Annihilator wrote:How about they just make the game more profitable than the exploits. You will always have exploits in New Eden. It's half of the game. It seems that they did put a 10 hour wait on this to discourage free isk.
Why not do both? Make playing the game more profitable while getting rid of the exploits?
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7352
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 20:23:00 -
[9] - Quote
Regis Blackbird wrote:Ace Starburst wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:The easiest (and safe) way would be to block ISK transfer below a minimum wallet balance of 250,000 ISK.
(I.e a character with 1mil ISK can maximum transfer 750,000, always leaving 250,000 left in the wallet.)
That way a newborn can only transfer what they actually earn in battle, and gives an extra safety net against (accidentally) empty you wallet in a transfer. That would solve the initial problem, but unless some other function was created they would be able transfer that initial 250K into items and then possibly transfer those to another character to then make a profit off of. I don't believe we will ever have item transfer, only ISK. (That is what the future player market is for) My suggestion also don't earmark the initial 250,000 ISK in any way, it just puts a minimum (remaining) limit in the wallet for all players, old and new.
Eve Online allows direct item transfers via Item Exchange Contract or P2P trade windows.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7352
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 20:25:00 -
[10] - Quote
Proto Annihilator wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Each account nets you 1.5 milliion ISK per day per 5-6 minutes, so it's just up to you how much time you want to put into it.
Also, all the ISK is tracked, so do try to be sly about it.
::continues eating popcorn:: Why isn't everyone doing this? There has to be a catch.
The catch is that if you get caught you suffer a ban, your ISK gets taken away from you and, if you spent that exploited ISK on assets, your assets will get taken as well. It's not worth it.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
|
|
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7352
|
Posted - 2014.03.13 20:39:00 -
[11] - Quote
Proto Annihilator wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Proto Annihilator wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Each account nets you 1.5 milliion ISK per day per 5-6 minutes, so it's just up to you how much time you want to put into it.
Also, all the ISK is tracked, so do try to be sly about it.
::continues eating popcorn:: Why isn't everyone doing this? There has to be a catch. The catch is that if you get caught you suffer a ban, your ISK gets taken away from you and, if you spent that exploited ISK on assets, your assets will get taken as well. It's not worth it. Did it happen to you?
No, because I never dared to try it. I'm not like "THAT GUY" who goes out of his way to do everything illegal just to progress. I play fair and square and I earned my 20 million ISK honestly by actually playing.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
|
|
|
| |
|