ask yourself this, if it was so easy to lag switch dust, and so benificial.

then why would people of had to rely on the "lag bomb" equipment glitch to achieve the same effect? and why is it that the problems have largly vanished now that particular lag inducing problem is fixed?


the current DDOS attacks are the result of people attempting to build a lag switch that works, and their attempts have so far been unsuccessful. meaning anyone whos every adamanly stated that someone else has lag switched this game is not only wrong, but has no idea what a lag switch is and how it works.

I see you used a lot of abbreviations and it does sound like you know what you are talking about so perhaps you could explain exactly how someone "lag switches" in DUST? People keep talking about it like it is a fact but no one has ever actually gotten around to telling me how it works in this game.

And to everyone else: I fear that "lag switch" is one of those things that people keep saying without understanding it. Just because they are rubberbanding around does not mean they are "lag switching". Unless you think they can access the server (or install malicious software onto every other player in the match's PS3) allowing them to desync everyone but themselves, run around shooting the frozen players, then resync so the damage registers and everyone dies. Because that is what a "lag switch" is. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sure there are exploits people have figured out that will cause massive lag but they're going to cause it for everyone.

The thing I keep pointing out over and over again is that it's "so suspicious" that as soon as you see them/start shooting/ etc it lags out and they escape. Even though seeing them/starting to shoot/etc mean increased load on the server and could compound issues in the game or generate new ones.

I understand that it's all assumptions and guesswork but what I hear is: "When I wasn't doing anything it was fine and then as soon as I started doing something it messed up so they're obviously lag switching/hacking!" I'll bet on either issues with the server itself or the game's code or at the very worst someone simply exploiting a bad internet connection (which is not a "lag switch" because there isn't any switching) before I start looking for Zebras in Central Park.

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put a PC in front of your ps3, and is not so hard, routers where once software based. 500-700 miliseconds is easy.

Knowledge easily attained by a simple google search? Not saying that I don't believe that you have expertise on the subject at hand. I have a question though, did you read Garret Blacknova's take on the topic at hand?

These topics come and go and I'm yet to be convinced that lag switching is actually possible in Dust 514

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oh yah its REALLY easy to lag YOURSELF out 500-700miliseconds behind everyone else giving you a massive disadvantage.


doing it the other way around is whats not possable ATM

this is illustrated by the need to use the equipment lagbomd and the current DDOS issues we are having as people now dont have said lag bomb and are searching for wasy to much up the network in their favor to compensate.

the DDOS dust is currently under is the result of people trying to find a way to lag switch, meaning they currently do NOT have a way to lag switch :P

There's no indication that the DDoS was anything but an act of heckling.

Besides that, yeah. I don't see what lag switching in a dedicated server architecture that doesn't trust the client could possibly accomplish, other than detriment your own gameplay.

oh yah its REALLY easy to lag YOURSELF out 500-700miliseconds behind everyone else giving you a massive disadvantage.


doing it the other way around is whats not possable ATM

this is illustrated by the need to use the equipment lagbomd and the current DDOS issues we are having as people now dont have said lag bomb and are searching for wasy to much up the network in their favor to compensate.

the DDOS dust is currently under is the result of people trying to find a way to lag switch, meaning they currently do NOT have a way to lag switch :P

asian/lagswitcher same thing.... Just try playing nyain san. You will see what I mean.

Not on the recieving side but on the transmit side-I would see you real time you would see me 500 ms in the past-just like ****** DSL connections just man made-this is simple stuff.

Not on the recieving side but on the transmit side-I would see you real time you would see me 500 ms in the past-just like ****** DSL connections just man made-this is simple stuff.

Whew...I was afraid we were going to make it past the first page without the name Nyain San being mentioned.

Admit it, people--that was first thing you thought of when reading the thread title!

Lag switching in Dust is like lag switching in EVE online

He's not the only one, watch for people who when you shoot disappear and then shoot you from a position 5 or 6 meters away and with ADS precision-you'll notice it alot.

He's not the only one, watch for people who when you shoot disappear and then shoot you from a position 5 or 6 meters away and with ADS precision-you'll notice it alot.

As everyone else here before me has pointed out, the server handles the real load. It is also the same server that handles massive fleet battles, millions of transactions every day, as well as using scripts to hunt down and punish Bot users* while backed up by a dedicated security team in CCP Reykjavik.

* - Bot users are players who automate all of their actions in an MMO so they can do things like eat, sleep, take a shower, and do their dishes while the game is handled by a third-party software that does all the work for them non-stop from downtime to downtime. Botting is bannable offense and if you're caught doing RMT on top of botting, you're permanently banned without a warning. CCP's security enforces that rule vigorously without any exceptions.

Now, in the case of Lag Switching in Dust, to successfully lag switch in Dust like how you would in Call of Duty, you will either need to be the host of the server or have the hit detection done client side instead of server side. Either way, that will require manipulating the data in a way that forces the server to either give you control or let your client validate the hit detection instead. That means having to break into the main server which is NOT an easy thing to do. CCP Reykjavik's security is always watching the server around the clock and they are no strangers to hacking attempts and DDoS attacks. They have 11 years experience after all.

If you are caught hacking into their server, I would be more worried about your local authorities knocking on your front door than CCP banning your account as hacking a company server without permission is grounds for any local government to come looking for you. And if you try to do it, CCP will very much likely LITERALLY pull the plug on the server to shut it down for its own protection. After all, that server not only has Eve account information such as your login, but it also has credit card information stored which is why hacking that server is grounds for your government to come after you if they manage to trace you.

Add on top of that the fact that the matches you play on is based on regional battle servers which seem to act as proxies to the main server. That's an extra layer of connection you have to go through to successfully lag switch.

So anyone claiming to be able to lag switch in Dust like they do in CoD is just bullshitting you.

Therefore, the only safe way to lag a match is to utilize lag bombs by spamming nanohives and uplinks (lots of it) in a room.

I am referring not to hardware switches but taking a PC with 2 nics connecting the PS3 to the pc and then the pc to the internet. In between the two nics you would create a software router or even use "other" security tools to slow or even stop the transmit side of the equation.

The method of interruption/delay doesn't matter. When the server doesn't get your input within an unknown but certainly very short threshold (lag compensation) then it will count that as you not doing anything and that's the end of it.

You might very well surpress your outbound data transmission while still reacting to received data on your client, but when your reaction reaches the server half a second late then the enemy shots at your last known position within that half a second will count as hits and you're dead.

I am referring not to hardware switches but taking a PC with 2 nics connecting the PS3 to the pc and then the pc to the internet. In between the two nics you would create a software router or even use "other" security tools to slow or even stop the transmit side of the equation.

Yes, of course there are physical switchers, lag bombers and people with **** internet as well as joing cross region-it's a cesspool of bad routing.

And as a note: the regional servers are just that regional.

The method of interruption/delay doesn't matter. When the server doesn't get your input within an unknown but certainly very short threshold (lag compensation) then it will count that as you not doing anything and that's the end of it.

You might very well surpress your outbound data transmission while still reacting to received data on your client, but when your reaction reaches the server half a second late then the enemy shots at your last known position within that half a second will count as hits and you're dead.

It still won't matter if the server, not the client, is the one handling the hit detection. So you can lag your client, but the server will still see you as just not doing anything or going anywhere even though you are running around shooting people once you enable the lag switch and resync.

what people usually concider signs of a lag switching oponent in dust, are actually caused by their own connection failing.

what people usually concider signs of a lag switching oponent in dust, are actually caused by their own connection failing.

Go rent a BF3 server and after kicking all of the long trip players tell me that the games don't get better. Or unloading a whole clip in someones back and they turn and kill you thats lag, latency or what ever you want to call it, and it is directly associated with UDP.

Mostly, yeah. Some people just have bad internet. Most of the bad internet comes from the fact that tier 2 ISPs like Comcast are intentionally throttling your connection speed. Let's say you are paying Comcast for something like 30mb/s. You then watch Netflix which only uses up to about 10mb/s at the most. You'd think you get great service, right? Wrong. Comcast floods the connection with useless traffic so you're only getting a fraction of what you're paying for.

Here is a video detailing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37nfG8m0XzQ&list=PL3C63E5853F06F32E&index=14