getting in very close and out maneuvering it.

A hmg useless at 10m? have you been killed by one recently or are you some god among us.

Not even... You can still turn around as fast as a scout.

Otherwise, good points.

A scout can easily jump around a heavy faster than it can turn.

Not even... You can still turn around as fast as a scout.

Otherwise, good points.

So the last of these posts generated a fair amount of controversy, but the overwhelming opinion seemed to be that it wasn't the heavy suits themselves that were OP, but the fact that the HMG wasn't getting nerfed along with the rifles. I would like to present a number of arguments as to why the HMG should not have been nerfed first and foremost.

1. The HMG is supposed to dominate CQC. You'll notice that the shotguns and nova knives aren't getting nerfed either. Why is this? Because they, like the HMG, have a very specific purpose and very limited range within which the function. HMG will still struggle to kill a shotgun scout within 10 meters and if knova knifed from behind, a heavy will die with one charged hit. There are counters to the HMG, including outranging it, or getting in very close and out maneuvering it. And yet it remains incredibly effective in it's one, albeit limited role.

2. The HMG's reticle is extremely limiting. Unlike other weapons, the HMG loses a lot of effectiveness if it is used on an enemy behind partial cover, or one at a distance. For this reason the HMG is even more range limited than other weapons, with exponential fall off even within its effective range. In addition, the limiting factor of partial cover offers an easy counter. If you let a heavy apply full damage on your more nimble assault suit it's your own damn fault.

3. Previously the other rifles were much more powerful than the HMG. The pre-nerf combat rifle had a 635 DPS, making it more powerful than the HMG WITH DOUBLE IT'S EFFECTIVE RANGE. This is just bad game design. The new stats give it 540 dps, still defeating the HMG outside of 25m or with cover factored in, but the combat rifle isn't inherently better than the HMG. As for the other rifles, the scrambler rifle and rail rifles are obviously not supposed to function ideally within the HMG's optimal but both still have a reasonably high DPS. The blaster rifle obviously shouldn't have been nerfed but that is a moot point.

Overall, HMG will do exactly what it is supposed to do in 1.8 and nothing more, while the rifle changes make the rifles effective within their own optimal ranges without dominating HMG territory. There are a huge number of counters to the HMG. Moreover an HMG heavy will dominate close quarters but it's incredibly specific ideal range will prevent it from being FOTM.

Not even... You can still turn around as fast as a scout.

Otherwise, good points.

oh well i guess non heavy users will still QQ about us. seems like a lot of people keep forgetting that this is a MMOFPS game with a touch of RPG elements in it (mainly the skill system and class/dropsuit) and that the heavy fills in the role as a tanker who soaks up a lot of dmg. and with every type of rpg you can equip different weapons if you have enough points in it, but most of the players here are just focused on the FPS part where this class can ONLY use this type of weapon.

Clearly the rpg's you played were trash cuz in the ones i played weapons were class lock. I dont see a Assault using a hmg or a forge gun so why should you be using light weapons. Same for logi if CCP would class lock some weapons or mods for logi role the ppl who haven't got the picture of LOGI and what its role stands for would stop using it. CCP you have to know ppl are morons and will cry about anything if you give in to what they all cry afor you will never have a game.

has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence?

its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship.

using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get.


its classic CCP and tank514 all over again.

Actually you can't.

Turning speed on the heavy was made faster, not as fast. When they said it was uncapped, that was a lie.

Any Heavy + Any Rifle = OMG !!!!

Stop running around complex armor plates.

Those reduce your turning speed.

Heavy sitting on a point ? There are these things called mass drivers , laser rifles and sniper rifles..... hey look ! two of them are getting buffed this patch !

Lav's and dropships are a significant investment on top of their suit and gives AV and tanks more to do,

Heavy sitting on a point ? There are these things called mass drivers , laser rifles and sniper rifles..... hey look ! two of them are getting buffed this patch !

Lav's and dropships are a significant investment on top of their suit and gives AV and tanks more to do,

This is wrong, try using a mouse, instantly spins the heavy.

has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence?

its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship.

using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get.


its classic CCP and tank514 all over again.

has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence?

its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship.

using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get.


its classic CCP and tank514 all over again.

It's almost like heavies are meant to sit on an objective and stop people from taking them or something.

You can't call in an LAV from anywhere. You obviously haven't used a heavy long enough to know how limited your movement speed is. You make it sound like can just use an LAV to go running around in close quarters. They're only used on open fields. And you certainly can't call them atop most buildings. The LAV is not the substitute for running around a corner chasing someone.

Most medium frame users who haven't used a heavy long enough are gonna find out places they used to tread are now 10 times harder to get to. Try hopping around mountain tops in a heavy. Lol.

A hmg useless at 10m? have you been killed by one recently or are you some god among us.

You can't call in an LAV from anywhere. You obviously haven't used a heavy long enough to know how limited your movement speed is. You make it sound like can just use an LAV to go running around in close quarters. They're only used on open fields. And you certainly can't call them atop most buildings. The LAV is not the substitute for running around a corner chasing someone.

Most medium frame users who haven't used a heavy long enough are gonna find out places they used to tread are now 10 times harder to get to. Try hopping around mountain tops in a heavy. Lol.

So the last of these posts generated a fair amount of controversy, but the overwhelming opinion seemed to be that it wasn't the heavy suits themselves that were OP, but the fact that the HMG wasn't getting nerfed along with the rifles. I would like to present a number of arguments as to why the HMG should not have been nerfed first and foremost.

1. The HMG is supposed to dominate CQC. You'll notice that the shotguns and nova knives aren't getting nerfed either. Why is this? Because they, like the HMG, have a very specific purpose and very limited range within which the function. HMG will still struggle to kill a shotgun scout within 10 meters and if knova knifed from behind, a heavy will die with one charged hit. There are counters to the HMG, including outranging it, or getting in very close and out maneuvering it. And yet it remains incredibly effective in it's one, albeit limited role.

2. The HMG's reticle is extremely limiting. Unlike other weapons, the HMG loses a lot of effectiveness if it is used on an enemy behind partial cover, or one at a distance. For this reason the HMG is even more range limited than other weapons, with exponential fall off even within its effective range. In addition, the limiting factor of partial cover offers an easy counter. If you let a heavy apply full damage on your more nimble assault suit it's your own damn fault.

3. Previously the other rifles were much more powerful than the HMG. The pre-nerf combat rifle had a 635 DPS, making it more powerful than the HMG WITH DOUBLE IT'S EFFECTIVE RANGE. This is just bad game design. The new stats give it 540 dps, still defeating the HMG outside of 25m or with cover factored in, but the combat rifle isn't inherently better than the HMG. As for the other rifles, the scrambler rifle and rail rifles are obviously not supposed to function ideally within the HMG's optimal but both still have a reasonably high DPS. The blaster rifle obviously shouldn't have been nerfed but that is a moot point.

Overall, HMG will do exactly what it is supposed to do in 1.8 and nothing more, while the rifle changes make the rifles effective within their own optimal ranges without dominating HMG territory. There are a huge number of counters to the HMG. Moreover an HMG heavy will dominate close quarters but it's incredibly specific ideal range will prevent it from being FOTM.

I don't consider the HMG OP, but in my experience, it's the easiest weapon to use in this game. it requires quite literally 0 skill. just spray in someone's general direction and you get a ton of kills.

i actually heard someone say that the HMG needed a buff, and that it needed AT LEAST Assault Rifle distance. what in the actual f*ck?

Well, the HMG does require more situational awareness with the low range. Knowing when to charge and when to back up is also a part of the player skill set. All the HP's in the world, and a good Logibro won't save you from your bad decisions.

it is however ALOT more forgiving of bad desisions.