DUST Search - Why the Heavy Will Not Be OP in 1.8 Part II

Jake Diesel wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence?

its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship.

using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get.

its classic CCP and tank514 all over again.

You can't call in an LAV from anywhere. You obviously haven't used a heavy long enough to know how limited your movement speed is. You make it sound like can just use an LAV to go running around in close quarters. They're only used on open fields. And you certainly can't call them atop most buildings. The LAV is not the substitute for running around a corner chasing someone.

Most medium frame users who haven't used a heavy long enough are gonna find out places they used to tread are now 10 times harder to get to. Try hopping around mountain tops in a heavy. Lol.


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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1244	Posted - 2014.03.11 05:31:00 - [1] - Quote has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence? its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship. using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get. its classic CCP and tank514 all over again.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1248	Posted - 2014.03.11 14:01:00 - [2] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence? its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship. using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get. its classic CCP and tank514 all over again. Heavy sitting on a point ? There are these things called mass drivers , laser rifles and sniper rifles..... hey look ! two of them are getting buffed this patch ! Lav's and dropships are a significant investment on top of their suit and gives AV and tanks more to do, and only the MD is actually useful for a heavy sitting on a point.... wich they just happen to get a massive damage reduction for. good luck sniping or LRing a heavy sitting inside the battery objective of the research facility, or the two underground objectives on the outside of it, or the building objectives that acompany them. and dropships and LAVs are a ZERO SP investment on top up their suits.... and can get places faster then AV can prevent them from doing so.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1248	Posted - 2014.03.11 14:46:00 - [3] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence? its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship. using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get. its classic CCP and tank514 all over again. It's almost like heavies are meant to sit on an objective and stop people from taking them or something. its also almost like they were meant to clamor in LAVs and dropships and assault objectives as well. because nothing else can. theres a difference between balanced towards defence, and impossable to attack. you wont be able to attack the heavys on defence, without being a heavy yourself. meaning the princaple form of attack AND defence is heavys. wich of course makes sence because they are both the highest damage dealers and therefore perfect for assaulting and dispatching the reds quick enough to flip the objective, and the highest defencive capabilities to last as long as possable to ensure another full wave of heavys is able to respawn on defence.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1248	Posted - 2014.03.11 14:50:00 - [4] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: has everyone forgeotten what happens when you add the highest damage output with monsterous defence? its missing 2 things, range and speed. both of wich are easily mitigated by sitting on top of an objective or launching yourself into it with an LAV or dropship. using these two methods you eliminate every disadvantage and eliminate every advantage other suits can get. its classic CCP and tank514 all over again. You can't call in an LAV from anywhere. You obviously haven't used a heavy long enough to know how limited your movement speed is. You make it sound like can just use an LAV to go running around in close quarters. They're only used on open fields. And you certainly can't call them atop most buildings. The LAV is not the substitute for running around a corner chasing someone. Most medium frame users who haven't used a heavy long enough are gonna find out places they used to tread are now 10 times harder to get to. Try hopping around mountain tops in a heavy. Lol. well for starters im a dropship pilot and i know exactly where i can and cant call in vehicles due to my days ploping railguns on top of buildings and mountains back in chrome :P and i know exactly how to use an LAV to break a defencive blockade, i do it all the time as ive actually skilled into LAVS and use them as their own weapon quite oftin. you would be amazed where i can drive those things. and the idea is that you dont need to run around a corner chasing someone, that is NEVER a good idea, and people trying to do that to me are the primary reason i get kills. if you are running around corners trying to kill off a fleeing foe.... your an idiot. in pubs its high risk low reward, and in PC its suicide. LAVs are used to get you as close to the consol as possable. meaning you dont have to do that long waddle between cover and open yourself up to return fire, you either hop out next to a red and nuke it, or you hope out in the best location for advancement that you can, avoiding all that long range fire and eliminating the weakness of taking forever to close that gap. and to get the LAV you simply call it in while in the redline, or at an objective you already own thats not being attacked. its not meant to get you there faster then walking would. its meant to get you there without being shot at. oh and AV does NOT have time to react to it and kill it off before you get there so dont even bother bringing that up please
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1251	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:22:00 - [5] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: I don't consider the HMG OP, but in my experience, it's the easiest weapon to use in this game. it requires quite literally 0 skill. just spray in someone's general direction and you get a ton of kills. i actually heard someone say that the HMG needed a buff, and that it needed AT LEAST Assault Rifle distance. what in the actual f*ck? Well, the HMG does require more situational awareness with the low range. Knowing when to charge and when to back up is also a part of the player skill set. All the HP's in the world, and a good Logibro won't save you from your bad decisions. it is however ALOT more forgiving of bad desisions.