There is a long feedback thread about this.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129679

I don't think there should be a starter fit with a Nanite Injector. I hate to further screw over the noobs' learning, but I need to know someone who knows what they're doing is nearby. It's the same point, my time is being wasted.

In Planetside 2, you can accept or decline a revive. I like this, because I decline when I know I'm going to get shot down immediately. I care about my KDR, and reviving me just to get us both killed is messing that up.

I still say again: If you are revived, There should be no point put towards your death count.
Or, You could have an option in the settings of the game that automatically gives the rezzer zero-opportunity to pick you up, Due to player not wanting to be rezzed in the first place.

I know some players like to start fresh. When a player has some blue keep picking them up in the line of fire and go down again, It wastes time. Time they could be spending on respawning on the closest uplink & reinforce his/her squadmates properly.

I just want rezzers to use their needles wisely and in ways that benefit the team; Long-term gain. Make every situation count.

I know this is just gonna be another unheard plea, But the ignorance be damned -- I'll never give in.

Aside from KDR or showing that you had a less death filled round, what is the reason behind having revives not counting towards someone's death? If it didn't count, you would have the enemies kills not correspond at all with your team's deaths and vice versa. A Clone isn't already used so aside from KDR/ego bumping, is there a need to not have a death count if you are revived? Simply put, the player did die.

I do certainly think that you need to be able to decline needles or have your call for help activate the ability to be brought up. I understand the frustration of dying, trying to find the best uplink location and being revived by some blueberry who must have braved through a line of enemy fire to revive you only to have both of you die miserably. Perhaps the system should be changed that once you leave the death screen of who killed you with what and are at the spawn location, you should be dead and gone rather than when you are spawning.

This already happens in Battlefield and many other games .... Where clones aren't even part of the lore....


You get picked up in Battlefield what happens your still dead and get a death? Or they take away a kill from the person who shot your down?

That is silly reasoning.. If the clone isn't terminated... You never died. Fact.

There is far more beyond someones personal KD/R at stake with this. Gameplay its self.. And the logistical role usefulness.

The intense battles that could take place as two squads with good support logi's trade downed mercenaries.. ANd getting picked up and put right back into the action with little fear of self consequence...

Right now DUST fundamentally operates over saving their KD/R over getting picked up. This resonates through DUST since Uprising Launch... This has created the game to be played like... I died? respawn QUICK!!!!! \

Not, there are 4 Logistics on the field on my side... I'm going to wait and get picked up and try to save my ISK and defend this position.

When this happens DUST's gameplay and roles will fundamentally change for the better.... And the intense fights that follow after.

Aside from KDR or showing that you had a less death filled round, what is the reason behind having revives not counting towards someone's death? If it didn't count, you would have the enemies kills not correspond at all with your team's deaths and vice versa. A Clone isn't already used so aside from KDR/ego bumping, is there a need to not have a death count if you are revived? Simply put, the player did die.

I do certainly think that you need to be able to decline needles or have your call for help activate the ability to be brought up. I understand the frustration of dying, trying to find the best uplink location and being revived by some blueberry who must have braved through a line of enemy fire to revive you only to have both of you die miserably. Perhaps the system should be changed that once you leave the death screen of who killed you with what and are at the spawn location, you should be dead and gone rather than when you are spawning.

Deaths are simply statistics. If you are downed and revived, where you not already downed? Yes, you didn't lose a Clone and you could throw out minor semantics on what is considered death, but it doesn't change the fact that the player was downed/killed. No, the Clone/Character isn't killed but the amount of kills and deaths is a statistic that is meant as part of the game for the Players. I, at least for now, don't see a reason to have it not count as a death considering it counts as a kill for that person.

Would kills for the player only count if the person bled out? This would mean that a needle would prevent a statistic for the other guy. Since WP effectively means SP, that would mean that a needle would also slow down someone from capping out. If kills still counted, then why wouldn't deaths count?

I don't know if changing the needle to not count as a death would necessarily change people's behaviors about bleeding out. If you are in a Prototype suit, you are most likely in a squad and are going to wait for a needle if only because losing more than one suit would put you in the Red for that battle. Why do I generally bleed out and respawn? Because it allows me to change my fittings and doesn't waste time in the event that I am brought back with 15% HP and immediately killed again. If it didn't count as a death, I still wouldn't care because I would rather of just come back with a new fitting if the scenario called for it with full life, ammo, and choosing where I can spawn. With how fast spawn pads can be, I could spend more time waiting for a revive than just choosing to spawn.

Honestly, with Spawn Pads being increased in length of spawn time, I could see needles becoming more like the scenario you wanted simply because waiting 5 seconds for a needle would be faster than trying to spawn at an uplink.

Deaths are simply statistics. If you are downed and revived, where you not already downed? Yes, you didn't lose a Clone and you could throw out minor semantics on what is considered death, but it doesn't change the fact that the player was downed/killed. No, the Clone/Character isn't killed but the amount of kills and deaths is a statistic that is meant as part of the game for the Players. I, at least for now, don't see a reason to have it not count as a death considering it counts as a kill for that person.

Would kills for the player only count if the person bled out? This would mean that a needle would prevent a statistic for the other guy. Since WP effectively means SP, that would mean that a needle would also slow down someone from capping out. If kills still counted, then why wouldn't deaths count?

I don't know if changing the needle to not count as a death would necessarily change people's behaviors about bleeding out. If you are in a Prototype suit, you are most likely in a squad and are going to wait for a needle if only because losing more than one suit would put you in the Red for that battle. Why do I generally bleed out and respawn? Because it allows me to change my fittings and doesn't waste time in the event that I am brought back with 15% HP and immediately killed again. If it didn't count as a death, I still wouldn't care because I would rather of just come back with a new fitting if the scenario called for it with full life, ammo, and choosing where I can spawn. With how fast spawn pads can be, I could spend more time waiting for a revive than just choosing to spawn.

Honestly, with Spawn Pads being increased in length of spawn time, I could see needles becoming more like the scenario you wanted simply because waiting 5 seconds for a needle would be faster than trying to spawn at an uplink.

FUNCTIONALLY, there is no benefit to having a good K/D.

The fact that it's tracked and has a leaderboard makes a lot of players fixate on it because they're used to it mattering in other games. Those people are bad at DUST.

Also, KDR is "Kill:Death Ratio" or "Kill/Death Ratio" (either is a valid writing). KD/R would be kills times deaths divided by R, with no clarification of what R is meant to be. Given that KDR is Kill Death Ratio, assuming R was ratio might make sense, except that it doesn't tell you WHAT ratio to be dividing by. At least you didn't write K/DR, because that's kills per doctor. Potentially funny, but even less likely to measure anything relevant to a player's skill.

K/D in DUST doesn't matter much. Kills per CLONE is more important.

Yet again This is already done in most games where the revive mechanic is present.... If you get picked up... Your death is removed. Do they remove the kill from the player? Hell no. It even worked like this in World of Warcraft Arenas FFS.....

The fact is Chromosome everyone had needles. (Dual equipment slots) And you could see your surroundings while bleeding out... And almost everyone waited to be picked up, largely TTK was better being a reason too...Now almost no one wants to be picked up ever...

This was the game dynamic then... it was amazing... made for faster gameplay... better squad team work and all kinds of stuff..

Penalizing someone for a death that never happened... After watching the entire Opening Video and start of DUST and clone loss and transferring consciousness makes absolutely no sense... No matter how the math of plus one subtract one can't compute in your brain.

No you should still get a "death" on your scoreboard cause you have beeing outplayed by a other player. The revive is just a 2nd chance not a "i can get shot 30 times but have no death".

No you should still get a "death" on your scoreboard cause you have beeing outplayed by a other player. The revive is just a 2nd chance not a "i can get shot 30 times but have no death".

Shoot them when they are "Downed" ? Imagine the way the game would change for the better... and the whole dynamic of having to finish off a "downed" opponent to make sure they don't get revived and come back looking for revenge before your ready...

That's an awesome idea!

I'd start a petition IF IT WASN'T ALREADY IN THE GAME.

Downed clones have a pretty sizable HP pool though.

Strange thread. Seeing as how a nanite injector injects microscopic robots into the body of a clone to rebuild devistated body tissue, yea, you died. You didn't get hit in the balls, you're not down because it's hot and you need a glass of water. You are down because you died.

Man, the first 10 rounds from that rail rifle that hit me in the chest weren't that bad, but that 11th one really made me tired. Let me sit down and hope someone comes by with a needle.

If you need to have robots rebuild your insides, that means you were dead. Deal with it.