There is a long feedback thread about this.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129679

Aside from KDR or showing that you had a less death filled round, what is the reason behind having revives not counting towards someone's death? If it didn't count, you would have the enemies kills not correspond at all with your team's deaths and vice versa. A Clone isn't already used so aside from KDR/ego bumping, is there a need to not have a death count if you are revived? Simply put, the player did die.

I do certainly think that you need to be able to decline needles or have your call for help activate the ability to be brought up. I understand the frustration of dying, trying to find the best uplink location and being revived by some blueberry who must have braved through a line of enemy fire to revive you only to have both of you die miserably. Perhaps the system should be changed that once you leave the death screen of who killed you with what and are at the spawn location, you should be dead and gone rather than when you are spawning.

Deaths are simply statistics. If you are downed and revived, where you not already downed? Yes, you didn't lose a Clone and you could throw out minor semantics on what is considered death, but it doesn't change the fact that the player was downed/killed. No, the Clone/Character isn't killed but the amount of kills and deaths is a statistic that is meant as part of the game for the Players. I, at least for now, don't see a reason to have it not count as a death considering it counts as a kill for that person.

Would kills for the player only count if the person bled out? This would mean that a needle would prevent a statistic for the other guy. Since WP effectively means SP, that would mean that a needle would also slow down someone from capping out. If kills still counted, then why wouldn't deaths count?

I don't know if changing the needle to not count as a death would necessarily change people's behaviors about bleeding out. If you are in a Prototype suit, you are most likely in a squad and are going to wait for a needle if only because losing more than one suit would put you in the Red for that battle. Why do I generally bleed out and respawn? Because it allows me to change my fittings and doesn't waste time in the event that I am brought back with 15% HP and immediately killed again. If it didn't count as a death, I still wouldn't care because I would rather of just come back with a new fitting if the scenario called for it with full life, ammo, and choosing where I can spawn. With how fast spawn pads can be, I could spend more time waiting for a revive than just choosing to spawn.

Honestly, with Spawn Pads being increased in length of spawn time, I could see needles becoming more like the scenario you wanted simply because waiting 5 seconds for a needle would be faster than trying to spawn at an uplink.

FUNCTIONALLY, there is no benefit to having a good K/D.

The fact that it's tracked and has a leaderboard makes a lot of players fixate on it because they're used to it mattering in other games. Those people are bad at DUST.

Also, KDR is "Kill:Death Ratio" or "Kill/Death Ratio" (either is a valid writing). KD/R would be kills times deaths divided by R, with no clarification of what R is meant to be. Given that KDR is Kill Death Ratio, assuming R was ratio might make sense, except that it doesn't tell you WHAT ratio to be dividing by. At least you didn't write K/DR, because that's kills per doctor. Potentially funny, but even less likely to measure anything relevant to a player's skill.

K/D in DUST doesn't matter much. Kills per CLONE is more important.

Yet again This is already done in most games where the revive mechanic is present.... If you get picked up... Your death is removed. Do they remove the kill from the player? Hell no. It even worked like this in World of Warcraft Arenas FFS.....

The fact is Chromosome everyone had needles. (Dual equipment slots) And you could see your surroundings while bleeding out... And almost everyone waited to be picked up, largely TTK was better being a reason too...Now almost no one wants to be picked up ever...

This was the game dynamic then... it was amazing... made for faster gameplay... better squad team work and all kinds of stuff..

Penalizing someone for a death that never happened... After watching the entire Opening Video and start of DUST and clone loss and transferring consciousness makes absolutely no sense... No matter how the math of plus one subtract one can't compute in your brain.

No you should still get a "death" on your scoreboard cause you have beeing outplayed by a other player. The revive is just a 2nd chance not a "i can get shot 30 times but have no death".

Blood loss, tissue degradation. I'm pretty sure a piece of metal or plasma penetrating your skull or chest cavity isn't an issue you can deal with whenever you get around to it. You only have so much time to bring someone back from death before lack of oxygen circulating in the body results in a pile of 100% dead tissue that cannot be repaired.

Ccp would have to reverse every death from dying from a needle within 3 seconds
Which wouod be 2 mil deaths total

Problem with going down not counting as a death is that putting someone down wouldn't count as a kill (unless of course they were un-revivable). Half the kills in a match would be some dude shooting a lifeless body.

Really, unless your one and only focus is your kdr, i'm kind of baffled people want to make this an issue. Unless of course you are trying to stop boosting. Though i'm sure there is plenty of other ways to do that, and boosting isn't that prevailent anyway.

Long time ago I couldn't wrap my brain around someone getting a "kill" without someone else having a "death". It just didn't make sense to me. But since a lot of people really care about K/D it does seem stupid that you get one or more extra deaths because someone else is an idiot. Shouldn't count as a death until you bleed out.

Only real effect this would have is removing the need for a throwaway alt when stat boosting.

Lol if your concern is better player judgment you may have the wrong game. KDR technicalities won't produce a better player judgment wise.

I mean no death should accur if you got revived, you werent really dead, like bf3 so...

The concsious is the immortal part, not the throwaway container that is the body.

Having a kill when there is no death is "outside the box" thinking?

If you say you are looking to get people to use better judgment with needles, messing with KDR numbers will have no impact on that what so ever. If you want people to get smarter with needles you need to goof with the WP, not the KDR.

Again, this is a strange thread. The only person effected by the way things work now is the clone that gets dropped, and the only reason the clone that gets dropped and picked back up worries about that death mark is the clone whos worried about his/her KDR.

You can tout "outside the box" thinking all you want, what you are saying makes no sense until you factor in KDR worrying.

Yeah, no i'd love that, i can completely agree on the last part.

Solution: Rename "Kill" and "Revive" to something else. That way game mechanics don't need to change, and no one will argue about the semantics/lore.

For a loose example: In Infamous, after eliminating an enemy it says "Take Down (5XP)" and when you shoot them again while they're on the ground it says "Wounded Kill (1XP)". Good idea for Dust, maybe?

Again it comes down to this. Regardless of your feelings on if KDR matters, it does to a decent chunk of people. Therefore, having revives save a statistical death would encourage more use of injectors which would be good for the game.

Agreed. There is zero negative to it. The only argument against it is "LOL GO BACK TO COD FOR KDR"

But if someone doesnt care about KDR, why care if the death is counted or not? Theres no downside to this change.