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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 878	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:14:00 - [1] - Quote I've been keeping track of Dust since Closed Beta, After sticking through the lack of balance, and addition of bugs You'd think it would get better, but with the state of PC this is a sinking ship... A minority of gamers like myself, enjoy playing to earn what they have And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps I declined as I know that would ruin the enjoyment of gameplay for me This is not the case for a lot of players, who have made themselves Unbelievably rich using exploits to get ahead I have no issue with guys being richer than most, but to what extent? It's no secret how much is some of these players have... so what about their corps?? Billions would be an accurate number at this stage..... Enough that they will never be matched by the honest corps Never mind the newer players who will never have a chance to compete As a playerbase are you happy CCP have let this continue?? From the perspective of a guy who has tried to encourage new players This has killed all chances of this game reaching it's potential 10% of the players would be close to holding 90% of in-game wealth As time goes by these players will make the game un-playable I've no issue having my ass kicked by richer/skilled gamers But when these guys exploited/cheated to get the advantage Takes away all fun from playing this game.... And don't be fooled by CCP if they fix the ability to exploit PC As it is already too late because the damage has been done Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2131	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:19:00 - [2] - Quote This game will last as long as there are people who want to protostomp and so long as there are those who protostomp, or district lock or tank spam or whatever there will be people here who will seek to take that ability away with the meta game Just make sure you are on the right side. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 878	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:22:00 - [3] - Quote That's what I'm saying, all the guys not on that side will soon be sick of this game And do you think the Protostompers will have fun consistently fighting each other?? There isn't that many active Dust mercs, so CCP efforts to hand taco's to some While disregarding the others will lead to an even smaller playerbase.... Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2132	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:27:00 - [4] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: That's what I'm saying, all the guys not on that side will soon be sick of this game And do you think the Protostompers will have fun consistently fighting each other?? There isn't that many active Dust mercs, so CCP efforts to hand taco's to some While disregarding the others will lead to an even smaller playerbase.... From what I here they are redoing PC, so that we will have to wait and see on that front, as for players, the way I would deal with it. Give us the same rate of income as EvE make our proto cost the same as their capitals, then bump up those with less money via a conversion rate, while those over a certain threshold get no bonuses. Effectively give to the poor and take from the rich, without actually taking from the rich. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 878	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:47:00 - [5] - Quote Again I pointed out the issue with that already.... Even when CCP fix PC the damage has been done How long have guys made serious amounts of ISK via exploits??? Fixing PC still leaves these guys with heavy wallets That were filled while exploiting the mechanics of the game And caused more delay in game production Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 632	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:00:00 - [6] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: I've been keeping track of Dust since Closed Beta, After sticking through the lack of balance, and addition of bugs You'd think it would get better, but with the state of PC this is a sinking ship... A minority of gamers like myself, enjoy playing to earn what they have And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps I declined as I know that would ruin the enjoyment of gameplay for me This is not the case for a lot of players, who have made themselves Unbelievably rich using exploits to get ahead I have no issue with guys being richer than most, but to what extent? It's no secret how much is some of these players have... so what about their corps?? Billions would be an accurate number at this stage..... Enough that they will never be matched by the honest corps Never mind the newer players who will never have a chance to compete As a playerbase are you happy CCP have let this continue?? From the perspective of a guy who has tried to encourage new players This has killed all chances of this game reaching it's potential 10% of the players would be close to holding 90% of in-game wealth As time goes by these players will make the game un-playable I've no issue having my ass kicked by richer/skilled gamers But when these guys exploited/cheated to get the advantage Takes away all fun from playing this game.... And don't be fooled by CCP if they fix the ability to exploit PC As it is already too late because the damage has been done Unfortunately CCP's stance to boosters and exploiters is well lets say harmless. CCP will not punish them they prefer to punish the community by things like a limit of WP per time that can be earnes by removal of WP for vehicles repairs and so on. And instead of stopping this PCQ nonsense they talk about how terrible BPO's break the economy. Sometimes it seems CCP want us to exploit the game with very possible way. The sad part is the honest players are left alone as well as new players and IMHO its just a matter of time till the exploiters get bored... And lets be honest in PCQ not ISK is farmed WP and SP is farmed as well...All in All Dust is in a sad state currently those who exploit get rewarded those who don't get punished it is a shame and CCP should feel ashamed to let this happens for so long.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 878	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:08:00 - [7] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Unfortunately CCP's stance to boosters and exploiters is well lets say harmless. CCP will not punish them they prefer to punish the community by things like a limit of WP per time that can be earnes by removal of WP for vehicles repairs and so on. And instead of stopping this PCQ nonsense they talk about how terrible BPO's break the economy. Sometimes it seems CCP want us to exploit the game with very possible way. The sad part is the honest players are left alone as well as new players and IMHO its just a matter of time till the exploiters get bored... And lets be honest in PCQ not ISK is farmed WP and SP is farmed as well...All in All Dust is in a sad state currently those who exploit get rewarded those who don't get punished it is a shame and CCP should feel ashamed to let this happens for so long. Good to know I'm not the only one pointing this out, every point you make is spot on.... And LOL CCP...BPO's break the economy ??? uh-huh, so what does handing 10% of the playerbase unlimited ISK achieve other than smashing your already broken economy to pieces ??? Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:20:00 - [8] - Quote 17 years. No more, no less. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 451	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:22:00 - [9] - Quote In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 887	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. Regardless of what CCP add that does not change the fact that too many players have exploited So no matter what they add (I'm sure it will be good) it is pointless to try compete with cheaters There needs to be a full ISK reset for corps who farmed their advantage Maybe more severe reprimand for those who also farmed SP and padded their K/D Without this, the only guys left will be the 8-13 year olds who want a free game And the guys who have exploited the game for their set of crutches CCP are on to something great with Dust514 but do they think other companies can't see that? By the end of this year, more games will be released with the same immersion as Dust And most likely by developers who will take action against exploiters no matter how much Cash they throw at the game, unlike CCP who farm $ before offering a balanced game The lore in New Eden is pretty awesome, but that will be the only unique feature SOONtm Plasma Cannon performs its suppresion/area denial role perfectly Pity dust players only perform one role - slaying

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 452	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:05:00 - [11] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. Regardless of what CCP add that does not change the fact that too many players have exploited So no matter what they add (I'm sure it will be good) it is pointless to try compete with cheaters There needs to be a full ISK reset for corps who farmed their advantage Maybe more severe reprimand for those who also farmed SP and padded their K/D Without this, the only guys left will be the 8-13 year olds who want a free game And the guys who have exploited the game for their set of crutches CCP are on to something great with Dust514 but do they think other companies can't see that? By the end of this year, more games will be released with the same immersion as Dust And most likely by developers who will take action against exploiters no matter how much Cash they throw at the game, unlike CCP who farm $ before offering a balanced game This year will be an interesting one for Dust 514 After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 748	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:32:00 - [12] - Quote This game will last as long as the die hard fanbois keeping spending real money on the game and as long as CCP continues to make a profit on the game. Even if they are not making a profit by now, I am sure they have an idea of when they would like to turn one. If they do not reach that profitability goal by their set deadline, then I can see them shutting it down. Most of us gamers, seem to forget that it is all about the cash. Developers are not here to make you happy. They are here to make bank. Period.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 453	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:44:00 - [13] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: This game will last as long as the die hard fanbois keeping spending real money on the game and as long as CCP continues to make a profit on the game. Even if they are not making a profit by now, I am sure they have an idea of when they would like to turn one. If they do not reach that profitability goal by their set deadline, then I can see them shutting it down. Most of us gamers, seem to forget that it is all about the cash. Developers are not here to make you happy. They are here to make bank. Period. True, I guess that knowing if they don't succeed soon ( this month, fanfest and next updates not soon tm) then they won't be making any money much longer. Which will push them to actually make this game onto what is long overdue an MMO-FPS. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 140	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:03:00 - [14] - Quote This game will last as long as the bunnys allow it except realy With the whole pc thing I would say take take there money down to an average amount of isk but then people would start rage quiting and breaking there ps3 in two,and we dont want that.But on the other hand If we did this after we got most core gameplay downpat and advertise it hope that the Judges give us at least 5 stars and our playerbase should rise higher than it is now. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4743	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:06:00 - [15] - Quote You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 140	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:08:00 - [16] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? -_- okay...... Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2019	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:10:00 - [17] - Quote why does it matter how much money anyone has? I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots. no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly. my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means **** you don't need alot of it currently.
CRYPT3C W0LF Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 401	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:14:00 - [18] - Quote Hey, Its just like real life COOKIE MASTER RACE ^__^ Slayer Scout, I feast on you're proto remains (Nom Nom Nom)
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1870	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:19:00 - [19] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? Jerrmy and Atiim have him beat by a loooooong way. But it looks like he's making a serious effort. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 140	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:24:00 - [20] - Quote calisk galern wrote: why does it matter how much money anyone has? I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots. no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly. my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means **** you don't need alot of it currently. The Overwelming amount of isk allows them to prostomp giving new players no chance and leaving the game within a week if there a regular COD player like most newbs are The enemy of intelligence is not ignorance but the illusion of intelligence Steven Hawkings Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2293	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:37:00 - [21] - Quote Nobody has infinite isk, not even CCP employees. Introduce player market, officer weapon trading, and other ways for exceedingly wealthy mercs to trade with not wealthy mercs for goods and services and you can have these massive stockpiles of cash disseminate into the general community. More isk in the community will usually get burned rather fast. for example... Add boring mining pve missions where you are rewarded with minerals used the production of proto gear. Now imagine you have to spam those missions like 20-30 times per week in order to stay all proto. People like me with 500 million isk would likely buy a lot of minerals from the people who enjoy running those missions and don't plan on using proto. And that was just something off the top of my head. There are plenty of easy ways to course correct. This game isn't doomed by any stretch.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 479	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:42:00 - [22] - Quote The game isn't going anywhere. CCP will use EVE revenue to keep building the game up until it's absolutely not financially feasible to do so. However, I dare say CCP is doing just fine off of DUST 514. I also dare say the old saying that 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers rings true here. Just about every random I have squaded with uses boosters. Some people won't be able to handle the work in progress nature of the game and will leave because they want it finished NOW which is unfortunate because that goes completely against the premise laid down by CCP on May 14th when they launched the game when they said that it was just the beginning of development. More people will take their place as word of mouth spreads the new advances of the game by those who stuck it out and stayed in the game. It's been a rough 6 months internally at CCP with clearly a lot of staff changes, in particular an EP who wasn't able to deliver. People who can manage their expectations should probably wait till FF to start standing on the street corner wailing "the end is nigh!" PC sucks for sure and CCP's lack of response has screwed over the economy but I don't really feel too much of the blow back other than the odd pub or FW match where I come across a proto squad. For the most part I'm still enjoying my time in game despite the bugs. I think I'm A LOT more laid back than most people here; I'm a visionary type myself, more interested in the big picture/end result than the necessity for everything to be perfect right now because I know that making anything massive and worthwhile isn't going to be done over night...just like Rome. I'm going to wait till Fanfest, see if the communication improves, see what Rogue has to say and see what the evolution entails. Till then I'm going to enjoy playing with my friends, being a Matari and levelling up my precioussssss COVERT SUBTERFUGE pride n joy into a scout badass. I can understand other people's frustrations, I just don't sweat the small stuff over obstacles that lay before the grand design... Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 314	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:57:00 - [23] - Quote they cant make suits more expensive. if they bring in the player market and everyone is earning silly ammounts of isk. what do you think it will do to eve's plex market. or the market as a whole. (this is why we dont have a market they cant figure it out. ive said it before and ill say it again. what NEEDS to happen is there is a place for the proto's to go play with there toys. new players need pve. as a place to earn isk to be able to buy that nice stuff and as a place to learn. why dont we even have a trade window yet =( my name is boba and im a hoarder.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 699	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:59:00 - [24] - Quote What would be nice to know is what team internally within the Shanghai studio will work on fixing PC considering team true grit has been "redeployed" on the EVE side.
Atiim 5212	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:01:00 - [25] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? He better not. I just earned that trophy FFS. Can't I enjoy it for a while? Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub [s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 453	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:33:00 - [26] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: The game isn't going anywhere. CCP will use EVE revenue to keep building the game up until it's absolutely not financially feasible to do so. However, I dare say CCP is doing just fine off of DUST 514. I also dare say the old saying that 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your customers rings true here. Just about every random I have squaded with uses boosters. Some people won't be able to handle the work in progress nature of the game and will leave because they want it finished NOW which is unfortunate because that goes completely against the premise laid down by CCP on May 14th when they launched the game when they said that it was just the beginning of development. More people will take their place as word of mouth spreads the new advances of the game by those who stuck it out and stayed in the game. It's been a rough 6 months internally at CCP with clearly a lot of staff changes, in particular an EP who wasn't able to deliver. People who can manage their expectations should probably wait till FF to start standing on the street corner wailing "the end is nigh!" PC sucks for sure and CCP's lack of response has screwed over the economy but I don't really feel too much of the blow back other than the odd pub or FW match where I come across a proto squad. For the most part I'm still enjoying my time in game despite the bugs. I think I'm A LOT more laid back than most people here; I'm a visionary type myself, more interested in the big picture/end result than the necessity for everything to be perfect right now because I know that making anything massive and worthwhile isn't going to be done over night...just like Rome. I'm going to wait till Fanfest, see if the communication improves, see what Rogue has to say and see what the evolution entails. Till then I'm going to enjoy playing with my friends, being a Matari and levelling up my precioussssss COVERT SUBTERFUGE pride n joy into a scout badass. I can understand other people's frustrations, I just don't sweat the small stuff over obstacles that lay before the grand design... Also waiting till fanfest to know if this game is going to die this year or not. I don't find much enjoyment in this game anymore but ya have fun dude. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1408	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:34:00 - [27] - Quote 73 minutes. fact. Who wants some?
shadow drake35 Mocking Bird Inc. 68	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:40:00 - [28] - Quote da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well The Mercenary Way Who careswhat i use as long as the job is done and i get paid.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2021	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:45:00 - [29] - Quote please quantify the difference between a player with 200 million isk and 200 billion isk, both player can run as much proto as they want non-stop. imo at this point you can effectively say that anything over 200 million isk is effectively no different except you can drive AD's into the side of enemy mcc's for a laugh. so let's use 200 million as the mark, how long does it take to hit 200 million isk? at 200k isk per game you'd be looking at 1000 games in free suits, you could hit it much faster with a player market. anyway, since I don't have a large sample for this next part I will use myself as the example, when I run full proto all month, never switch to free suits, and never ever stop pushing until the game is over, I lose about 8-10 mil a month, I suspect others can do better. so how long does it take to get 8-10 mil? 50 games, that seems much more reasonable, I can actually make that much in 1-2 days. so what's the point? on average if you are experienced you can run 28 days of proto-stomping for just 2 days of grinding of isk, in other words even if players didn't have a ton of isk they would still be proto stomping because it's not very hard at all to do it, thus why it's been going on for ever, even before uprising, before the pc abuse, players have always been proto-stomping, if you took everyones isk away tonight in 2 days they'd be proto-stomping you again.. the only difference between now and a year ago is that now players have a new thing to point their finger at and blame it for why they are getting their asses kicked in pubs.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2378	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:54:00 - [30] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps This is an incorrect statement to the general public. You will never hold land in any PC(Gamemode)...ever. 6 months down the line when PC is fun and functional, you can be the one to explain to your members why they can't play Dust 514's EndGame. Added to The List Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 453	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:57:00 - [31] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well Well for those who plan to stick with the ps3 there will be a ps3 version of Destiny also. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 481	Posted - 2014.03.03 15:58:00 - [32] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well GTAV was supposed to kill DUST 514 from what I remember some people here saying. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 893	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:14:00 - [33] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: You're challenging someone for the 'most threads made that **** people off' trophy aren't you? Thats all in where your standing Are you included in the section that exploit/boost to get ahead?? EA can reset/ban exploiters/boosters What can CCP do about them???
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 893	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:18:00 - [34] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: TheD1CK wrote: And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps This is an incorrect statement to the general public. You will never hold land in any PC(Gamemode)...ever. 6 months down the line when PC is fun and functional, you can be the one to explain to your members why they can't play Dust 514's EndGame. Added to The List I disregard anything you post on here You openly admit being a cheat, and how you benefit from it And in the end you think it makes you better than other players Any performance I've seen from you has been mediocre.... Having to use Proto to gain advantage in pubs And without the backing of a stacked side, your as dead as anyone else Thank god for that hide post feature, I suggest you do likewise And ill note if CCP tolerates players like you this game will fail EA can reset/ban exploiters/boosters What can CCP do about them???
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2381	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:21:00 - [35] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: TheD1CK wrote: And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps This is an incorrect statement to the general public. You will never hold land in any PC(Gamemode)...ever. 6 months down the line when PC is fun and functional, you can be the one to explain to your members why they can't play Dust 514's EndGame. Added to The List I disregard anything you post on here You openly admit being a cheat, and how you benefit from it And in the end you think it makes you better than other players Any performance I've seen from you has been mediocre.... Having to use Proto to gain advantage in pubs/FW And without the backing of a stacked side, your as dead as anyone else Thank god for that hide post feature, I suggest you do likewise And ill note if CCP tolerates players like you this game will fail Only on General Discussion Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
Poultryge1st Da Short Buss Legacy Rising 24	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:22:00 - [36] - Quote Not everyone that has a lot of isk made it from PC.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2970	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:24:00 - [37] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Nobody has infinite isk, not even CCP employees. Introduce player market, officer weapon trading, and other ways for exceedingly wealthy mercs to trade with not wealthy mercs for goods and services and you can have these massive stockpiles of cash disseminate into the general community. More isk in the community will usually get burned rather fast. for example... Add boring mining pve missions where you are rewarded with minerals used the production of proto gear. Now imagine you have to spam those missions like 20-30 times per week in order to stay all proto. People like me with 500 million isk would likely buy a lot of minerals from the people who enjoy running those missions and don't plan on using proto. And that was just something off the top of my head. There are plenty of easy ways to course correct. This game isn't doomed by any stretch. just let the poor broke bastards that have piles of officer gear from grinding pubs for no reason to be able to sell them the rich get weapons that they can put to use, the poor move up a tax bracket. I don't think there is a need to introduce MORE isk into the current economy, just ways to distribute it more evenly You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1415	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:27:00 - [38] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Nobody has infinite isk, not even CCP employees. Introduce player market, officer weapon trading, and other ways for exceedingly wealthy mercs to trade with not wealthy mercs for goods and services and you can have these massive stockpiles of cash disseminate into the general community. More isk in the community will usually get burned rather fast. for example... Add boring mining pve missions where you are rewarded with minerals used the production of proto gear. Now imagine you have to spam those missions like 20-30 times per week in order to stay all proto. People like me with 500 million isk would likely buy a lot of minerals from the people who enjoy running those missions and don't plan on using proto. And that was just something off the top of my head. There are plenty of easy ways to course correct. This game isn't doomed by any stretch. just let the poor broke bastards that have piles of officer gear from grinding pubs for no reason to be able to sell them the rich get weapons that they can put to use, the poor move up a tax bracket. I don't think there is a need to introduce MORE isk into the current economy, just ways to distribute it more evenly Isnt that like mining? Who wants some?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 897	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:29:00 - [39] - Quote Don't mistake me here, I am committed to Dust514 I have every hope that it progresses to the levels being planned by CCP But using exploits to gain an advantage needs to stopped and punished It's that simple, or else these same people will hold that over every new player Guys gaining an advantage by working at it is fine.... you earn it, then use/abuse But exploiting for it and overall delaying game production is unfair to the playerbase This needs to be stopped the longer it is allowed, the longer this game suffers EA can reset/ban exploiters/boosters What can CCP do about them???
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2971	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:33:00 - [40] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: TheD1CK wrote: And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps This is an incorrect statement to the general public. You will never hold land in any PC(Gamemode)...ever. 6 months down the line when PC is fun and functional, you can be the one to explain to your members why they can't play Dust 514's EndGame. Added to The List I disregard anything you post on here You openly admit being a cheat, and how you benefit from it And in the end you think it makes you better than other players Any performance I've seen from you has been mediocre.... Having to use Proto to gain advantage in pubs/FW And without the backing of a stacked side, your as dead as anyone else Thank god for that hide post feature, I suggest you do likewise And ill note if CCP tolerates players like you this game will fail having to use proto? ROFL bro apply the brakes on the Soul Train for a second. First, we are Sooooo sorry that we have a pile of isk, and run nothing BUT proto 24/7. I personally have 20+ fits, NONE of which are starting with a suit that isn't proto. Im sooo sorry that doesn't apply to you or half this community. I really am. proto and advantage? not really.. this isn't chromosome where a proto suit gave you innate defense boost. Once again, sorry to inform you, but Regnyum, like him or not, is a beast on this game. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE that has an IQ over 76 and not forced to ride the shortbus WITH a seatbelt will refute the statement that he is top 10 best players in this game. sure we can argue where in that top 10, but no one is refuting his talent and skill on Dust. vs tankspam, in a spambush, being an infantry specialist and NOT an AV specialist, of course he will have some rough times, especially when bums like yourself roll with inifinite militia tanks cause lets face it, you couldn't get a chick if you had a $100 bill hanging out of your zipper. me personally, I love tankscrubs, but I also have well over 40million SP, an unlimited bankroll, don't give a flying F#%K about KDR, but I will definitely pop your crap tank solo just for funsies. so by all means.. disregard anything and everything you want. we are elitist no lifers that really have nothing better to do than ridicule you, roast you over the forum PvP flames, and when you get the balls to try something in game, you will quickly be reminded (if not learn for the first time) that these forums don't translate into what happens on the battlefield. and on the battlefield, u got nothing. that said, you want to 'experience PC' and have some isk, holler cause land is for sale. and as much as regnum would hate it, we don't attack clients, unless someone pays us that is... so therefore it wouldn't be wise to make forum enemies, cause surprisingly a couple of them know how to make that be an effect in game... You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche

RailTank QQ SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.03.03 16:40:00 - [41] - Quote I've recently begun setting my watch to TheD1cks cry threads, haven't missed a day yet! Soldner's in exile after calling for a riot and getting BANANA'ed.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 897	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:00:00 - [42] - Quote I'm not looking to make enemies, I don't care what people think If others won't ask CCP to sort this out, ill QQ if need be The issues with PC need addressing asap, before it goes any further You can all criticize me if you like but I am addressing this issue on behalf of the players That intend to enjoy and appreciate the progression of Dust514, not abuse it Cubs, I know you can run proto all day, and you've been here long enough to be insanely ISK rich and overall your a good player... certainly one who can adapt to most threats in battle, not just wrecking faces with a rifle , My 10mil SP vehicle Alt has not been used since 1.7 it's a cheap crutch But earning your proto gear, and exploiting to get it are 2 different things EA can reset/ban exploiters/boosters What can CCP do about them???
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2975	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:47:00 - [43] - Quote CCP is well aware of the economy imbalance and is working to figure out how to fix it. we ALL know that and we ALL hope for it to be fixed.. and SOON That said, if you walked by an ATM machine that had $100 bill hanging out of it and no one was around, would you take it and consider yourself lucky? would you just ignore it? passing up on free money that someone else will undoubtedly take when they see it? or Turn it in saying someone is missing $100 but I have no idea who? The issue has been reported... MONTHS ago to be exact. it took a VERY long time for them to even give a crap, or perhaps the solution just isn't very simple. who knows, but calling out people who get financing when you don't and saying they are 'exploiting' well you and I have very different ideas of 'exploits' not to mention everyone has the opportunity to make the isk before its broken. take the high and mighty route and stay broke, or make an investment to get a huge return on it before the isk factory closes and gets relocated to china... choice is yours You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1322	Posted - 2014.03.03 17:59:00 - [44] - Quote 10 years? I didn't read your post. it seemed long and stupid.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 162	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:03:00 - [45] - Quote i won't recommend this game to anyone. i tried once and ended up embarrassed, dude was like "you actually think this is fun?" things like large turrets spammed across the map that headshots you when unmanned, KBM support, snare mechanic upon being shot, subpar aiming, frame rate issues, grinding for isk is not fun, the list is huge why no normal person could like this game. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 454	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:06:00 - [46] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: i won't recommend this game to anyone. i tried once and ended up embarrassed, dude was like "you actually think this is fun?" things like large turrets spammed across the map that headshots you when unmanned, KBM support, snare mechanic upon being shot, subpar aiming, frame rate issues, grinding for isk is not fun, the list is huge why no normal person could like this game. The worst part is the SP and ISK grinding, that's all there is around to do besides PC/laggy expensive skirmish. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 732	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:14:00 - [47] - Quote CCP seems to be risking everything on the next build/evolution. They seem to be laser focused on that and care nothing else about the game. It's a huge risk. You lose so many players in the interim that it is hard to make up the loss. Then you allow exploiters and cheaters free reign not even giving them a slap on the wrist. CCP knows about the PC exploits and ISK faucet, they just don't care. All I know is fanfest better be Fing awesome.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 454	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:19:00 - [48] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: CCP seems to be risking everything on the next build/evolution. They seem to be laser focused on that and care nothing else about the game. It's a huge risk. You lose so many players in the interim that it is hard to make up the loss. Then you allow exploiters and cheaters free reign not even giving them a slap on the wrist. CCP knows about the PC exploits and ISK faucet, they just don't care. All I know is fanfest better be Fing awesome. It better cuz the survival of the game depends on it / wallets of all those on the Shanghai team depend on it. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1799	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:25:00 - [49] - Quote da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. I really hope "evolutionary" doesn't mean "look guys we "fixed" PC and made it so that you can farm even more, please break the economy even further with our newly released P2P Market!!" Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 454	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:39:00 - [50] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. I really hope "evolutionary" doesn't mean "look guys we "fixed" PC and made it so that you can farm even more, please break the economy even further with our newly released P2P Market!!" I really don't care if they fix PC, unless they make a different type of skirmish for it or make it feel like you own the district After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 906	Posted - 2014.03.03 18:42:00 - [51] - Quote Well i'll have to stay broke, I'll work my way through Dust as I have since beginning I like taking the learn as you go approach rather than tutorials, earning as I go Just testing things out and adapting to other roles has kept me interested so far Your talk of an ISK factory sounds tempting Just reaching out and grabbing that 100$ is a choice Everyone should not be forced to that level, as others got away with it There is 2 sides to this, Players in it for the game and players in it for themselves I want this game to reach it's full potential others are focused on breaking it at any opportunity to get a step ahead, you are delaying the games progress . I've made my point, hopefully CCP take note that not all players benefit from this And every new player that joins will be turned away by the situation you have let stand EA can reset/ban exploiters/boosters What can CCP do about them???
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2981	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:32:00 - [52] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Well i'll have to stay broke, I'll work my way through Dust as I have since beginning I like taking the learn as you go approach rather than tutorials, earning as I go Just testing things out and adapting to other roles has kept me interested so far Your talk of an ISK factory sounds tempting Just reaching out and grabbing that 100$ is a choice Everyone should not be forced to that level, as others got away with it There is 2 sides to this, Players in it for the game and players in it for themselves I want this game to reach it's full potential others are focused on breaking it at any opportunity to get a step ahead, you are delaying the games progress . I've made my point, hopefully CCP take note that not all players benefit from this And every new player that joins will be turned away by the situation you have let stand yes I can agree, but just know all this stuff has been placed on their doorstep, many, MANY times. its not like this is some big secret that just recently got out... No, since day 1 PC has been broken, countless threads here and conversations directly with devs on the topic. we had the foxfour 'revamp' or whatever a few months ago, and latency/framerate improvements have been pretty regular. the gameplay continues to improve (overall) but the only financial adjustment they made was a while ago when they changed clone pack, passive and per clone price marginally. improvement? yes fix? lulz either way, either get in on the gravy train while its a goin, or sit on the sidelines and grab those pompoms out of the goodwill box and get the spectators excited for what they COULD have.. interested parties mail me or hit me up on Skype and we can talk business. Skype: chicagocubsnbears You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2024	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:38:00 - [53] - Quote march 31st 11:59 pm
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1121	Posted - 2014.03.03 19:41:00 - [54] - Quote Depends how long they keep that stick up their ass about porting to ps4. They may not want to, but as more players get a ps3 there will be less players who want to switch back to their ps3 just to play a free-to-play game. ESPECIALLY once Planetside 2 hit the ps4 as it's a free-to-play game as well. Dust gives you the ability to own an array of districts and planets that you fight for and keep until someone is able to wrest it away from you. But Planetside 2 gives you persistent large-scale warfare over vast swaths of land where air vehicles are a necessity for transportation and control of the battlefield can swap sides overnight. The kind of thing many of us imagined Dust would be by now. If Dust merged it's current Faction Warfare with Planetside 2's large-scale persistent battles, basically letting you choose the planet and district you wanted your warbarge to attack and then moving around the map from district to district once you arrive (meaning opening up the maps so that all districts are on the same map) Dust would be much better off even with the imbalances. (Of course that's leaving out some particulars that would need to be addressed to suit our lore and map systems) The 3 best things CCP can do right now are: work on making PC/FW the large-scale persistent conflicts they were supposed to be, work on porting to ps4, and work on linking the ps4 version of Dust to the ps3 version of Dust. This will help preserve Dust's longevity, and since ps4 titles are few and far between right now, perhaps bring in some new players. Of course have a team still working on bug fixes and balancing issues, but keep the majority of the force driving Dust forward so that it can begin to grow again. MAG ~ Raven
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1803	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:59:00 - [55] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Well i'll have to stay broke, I'll work my way through Dust as I have since beginning I like taking the learn as you go approach rather than tutorials, earning as I go Just testing things out and adapting to other roles has kept me interested so far Your talk of an ISK factory sounds tempting Just reaching out and grabbing that 100$ is a choice Everyone should not be forced to that level, as others got away with it There is 2 sides to this, Players in it for the game and players in it for themselves I want this game to reach it's full potential others are focused on breaking it at any opportunity to get a step ahead, you are delaying the games progress . I've made my point, hopefully CCP take note that not all players benefit from this And every new player that joins will be turned away by the situation you have let stand yes I can agree, but just know all this stuff has been placed on their doorstep, many, MANY times. its not like this is some big secret that just recently got out... No, since day 1 PC has been broken, countless threads here and conversations directly with devs on the topic. we had the foxfour 'revamp' or whatever a few months ago, and latency/framerate improvements have been pretty regular. the gameplay continues to improve (overall) but the only financial adjustment they made was a while ago when they changed clone pack, passive and per clone price marginally. improvement? yes fix? lulz either way, either get in on the gravy train while its a goin, or sit on the sidelines and grab those pompoms out of the goodwill box and get the spectators excited for what they COULD have.. interested parties mail me or hit me up on Skype and we can talk business. Skype: chicagocubsnbears What happens if/when that gravy train gets derailed and everything that you had been cashing in on goes away? Who'd be in a better position then? The ones who got thrown from the gravy train or the ones laughing cause they knew what was going to happen? Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2990	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:15:00 - [56] - Quote By then u made your profit so who cares? All im sayin. U make an investment, sit on it recoup your investment plus interest til its fixed then go back to your QQ over everything wrong with the world... smart thing would be to sell off the clones to maximize your profit come that time, or better yet try to pawn it off to someone so u make even more off the deal. clocks ticking, and the longer u wait the less u profit. Ive profited more than enough and tbh make little profit each time i sell, but its our business model now and keeps things more interesting than just me holding 33% of the map by my lonesome. You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 609	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:33:00 - [57] - Quote The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC. The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem. Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in. I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many). There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 609	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:37:00 - [58] - Quote calisk galern wrote: the only difference between now and a year ago is that now players have a new thing to point their finger at and blame it for why they are getting their asses kicked in pubs. Quoted for truth.
Fraceska Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 536	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:42:00 - [59] - Quote The way he posts does anyone else read it like a poem?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 912	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:44:00 - [60] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC. The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem. Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in. I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many). There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. You may not be benefiting from it, but your corporation now has a serious stock-pile obtained through exploiting PC, I have not complained over protostomping Do what you like with your ISK, my complaints are due to ISK being earned via exploits Don't try turn this into a stomping issue, that is not the problem Stomping will always happen, it is the nature of Dust players 100+ player corps need to stop exploiting to have an advantage I can only give my opinion on forums Critic all you like, I want this game to progress

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 614	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:52:00 - [61] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC. The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem. Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in. I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many). There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. You may not be benefiting from it, but your corporation now has a serious stock-pile obtained through exploiting PC, I have not complained over protostomping Do what you like with your ISK, my complaints are due to ISK being earned via exploits Don't try turn this into a stomping issue, that is not the problem Stomping will always happen, it is the nature of Dust players 100+ player corps need to stop exploiting to have an advantage What advantage? The corps that have districts and farm are simply better -- both in meta and in-game. Now, you can point to the mythcial ISK faucet, or some nebulous "advantage". But what are you talking about, really? A buffer of isk that really means nothing, and may or may not mean something in the future? I'm sorry, but that's no advantage at all. It's simply posturing about a problem that is non-existent and may never.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 917	Posted - 2014.03.04 12:31:00 - [62] - Quote I'm not arguing it out with you..... Your corp and others have gotten ahead via exploits Yes atm there is not much that ISK can do for you But this 'may or may not' stay the case once new content is released You are trying to make the fact that your corp has farmed an advantage irrelevant yet if that was the case, they wouldn't have done it I can only give my opinion on forums Critic all you like, I want this game to progress
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 614	Posted - 2014.03.04 14:09:00 - [63] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: I'm not arguing it out with you..... Your corp and others have gotten ahead via exploits Yes atm there is not much that ISK can do for you But this 'may or may not' stay the case once new content is released You are trying to make the fact that your corp has farmed an advantage irrelevant yet if that was the case, they wouldn't have done it Exploit my ass. We took each and every one of those districts through battle -- you and your corp had the same chances to do that, yet for whatever reason did not. You are the one suggesting we have an "advantage', so it is incumbent upon you to show what it is. Many people state the advantage is proto stomping because of the isk gained. I'm disproving that with my own example, and I'm simply asking you to state what that advantage is. So what advantage is it? Here's the truth: We are building up reserves through farming. Some of it is used to reward our best players (I'm not among them), some of it is used to fund PFC battles for our lesser experienced members, some of it is used to hire ringers when one of the better corps attack us, and some of it is being squirreled away for future use. None of us know what that advantage will be, but I do know with 100% certainty I'm not proto stomping because of some ill gotten gains from farming. I simply planned better. So if you want to QQ, then QQ about your lack of meta, lack of planning, lack of skill, or simply missing the obvious economics of Dust. But please don't QQ about some nebulous advantage you can't even name -- because then you simply look like a butthurt noob exhibiting the groupthink so inherent in this forum and its inhabitants. Take care....Leadfoot
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2994	Posted - 2014.03.04 15:06:00 - [64] - Quote here's a fun fact. had PC never been released, and we all just had wallets based on our pub grinding, Most of us 'pubstompers' would still be rollin proto 24/7 closed beta players have the advantage over everyone open beta players have the advantage over everyone except above now u just look at how long someone has been playing... the longer you've been the playing, the greater advantage you have. one of the first things successful mercs learn in this game is how to manage their finances. I ran a 30k fit for MONTHS many, many MONTHS, would only break out proto when we would come up against a squad of Imps. no one else was worth the expense, and we never felt bad about it. great, GREAT fights, even when it was 4 man squads it was ALWAYS us vs them and both sides knew it. I still remember last day of closed beta was the FIRST time I killed regnum myself. I was always the AV guy giving Zitro unwarranted beatings. the trick was to get him before Reg and Protoman got to you. not an easy task but good times anyway, I had almost 800 million BEFORE PC was ever an option for anyone, just from grinding pubs, with a 5+ kdr and a W/L of 5+, being a heavy 100% of the time so many better scenarios than that, but people who cant manage their isk are ALWAYS gonna be salty that others can, and that's what this all boils down to You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 147	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:17:00 - [65] - Quote shadow drake35 wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well ps2 is comin out april dont even think about destiny thats at sept 2014 yea we got time Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1805	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:45:00 - [66] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: By then u made your profit so who cares? All im sayin. U make an investment, sit on it recoup your investment plus interest til its fixed then go back to your QQ over everything wrong with the world... smart thing would be to sell off the clones to maximize your profit come that time, or better yet try to pawn it off to someone so u make even more off the deal. clocks ticking, and the longer u wait the less u profit. Ive profited more than enough and tbh make little profit each time i sell, but its our business model now and keeps things more interesting than just me holding 33% of the map by my lonesome. So you're saying that we should **** the system for the immediate profits which we can use until they go away? I'm getting the impression that you're of the opinion that it is a good thing to profit now and then when it all goes away, it was worth it because you had the riches while you did. Is that correct? Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1805	Posted - 2014.03.04 16:47:00 - [67] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC. The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem. Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in. I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many). There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. You may not be benefiting from it, but your corporation now has a serious stock-pile obtained through exploiting PC, I have not complained over protostomping Do what you like with your ISK, my complaints are due to ISK being earned via exploits Don't try turn this into a stomping issue, that is not the problem Stomping will always happen, it is the nature of Dust players 100+ player corps need to stop exploiting to have an advantage What advantage? The corps that have districts and farm are simply better -- both in meta and in-game. Now, you can point to the mythcial ISK faucet, or some nebulous "advantage". But what are you talking about, really? A buffer of isk that really means nothing, and may or may not mean something in the future? I'm sorry, but that's no advantage at all. It's simply posturing about a problem that is non-existent and may never. Yes, it is mythical because clone don't get generated from ether and then sold back to ether at all. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 753	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:37:00 - [68] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well ps2 is comin out april dont even think about destiny thats at sept 2014 yea we got time Isn't Planetside 2 one giant fail just like dust? Neither game, has much of a population and PS2 is just as grindy as dust. Personally I think dust in its current state, blows. However, there are enough die hards, that I just do not see it dying off anytime soon.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1893	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:43:00 - [69] - Quote calisk galern wrote: why does it matter how much money anyone has? I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots. no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly. my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means **** you don't need alot of it currently. 450HP Starter Fit =/= 900+HP Proto Fit. With the ridiculous amount of Money, Pubstompers can just spam Boundless's and Kaalkalatia's and Duovalle's with Their 900+ Assault suit constantly with no consequents besides lolISK loss. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 454	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:44:00 - [70] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: shadow drake35 wrote: da GAND wrote: In the games current state it won't last past Destiny's launch, but if CCP does actually have something "evolutionary" for Dust at fanfest then it'll be interesting to see how things go. Only way I see people here staying with Dust is if we get whatever this "evolutionary" thing is during the summer or close to Destiny's release. And it'll be interesting to see how CCP plans to actually get new players if most people that are interested in the idea of an MMO-FPS are busy with Destiny. When Planetside 2 comes out dust will die for good fact destiny will kill it as well ps2 is comin out april dont even think about destiny thats at sept 2014 yea we got time Isn't Planetside 2 one giant fail just like dust? Neither game, has much of a population and PS2 is just as grindy as dust. Personally I think dust in its current state, blows. However, there are enough die hards, that I just do not see it dying off anytime soon. I've heard plenty of negative things like that about Planetside 2, that's why I think Destiny is the only real competition for Dust this year. There's gonna be a ps3 version released at the same time the other versions are released. It's free to play but ya you d have to pay $60 dollars but after that there is no subscription fee. So for those that don't feel like getting a ps4 will not be switching to planetside 2 anytime soon unless they already have a PC that can run it but besides that they can get destiny for the ps3 so it is going to attract plenty of players that are tired of Dust if the game doesn't improve before Destinys release. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 454	Posted - 2014.03.04 18:48:00 - [71] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: calisk galern wrote: why does it matter how much money anyone has? I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots. no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly. my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means **** you don't need alot of it currently. 450HP Starter Fit =/= 900+HP Proto Fit. With the ridiculous amount of Money, Pubstompers can just spam Boundless's and Kaalkalatia's and Duovalle's with Their 900+ Assault suit constantly with no consequents besides lolISK loss. Still don't see why they won't stop proto suits from being used in pub matches. After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 785	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:22:00 - [72] - Quote I only need ADV gear against most proto users... Not that they aren't good, but TTK is so low right now that COD fanboys would feel right at home... BALACSES ??? MY PRECIOUS HAS BALACSES ???
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2038	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:26:00 - [73] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: calisk galern wrote: why does it matter how much money anyone has? I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots. no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly. my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means ** you don't need alot of it currently. 450HP Starter Fit =/= 900+HP Proto Fit. With the ridiculous amount of Money, Pubstompers can just spam Boundless's and Kaalkalatia's and Duovalle's with Their 900+ Assault suit constantly with no consequents besides lolISK loss. fun fact, when you shoot someone in the back of the head 900 ehp means all. fun fact number 2, 900 ehp means ** to a remote explosive. fun fact i can get over 900 ehp in my standard heavy suit. fun fact, 6 guys in one squad can drop 900ehp in less then a second. fun fact it's possible to kill players even when you have worse guns and less hp. numbers aren't the only factors on the battle field.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 620	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:39:00 - [74] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC. The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem. Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in. I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many). There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. You may not be benefiting from it, but your corporation now has a serious stock-pile obtained through exploiting PC, I have not complained over protostomping Do what you like with your ISK, my complaints are due to ISK being earned via exploits Don't try turn this into a stomping issue, that is not the problem Stomping will always happen, it is the nature of Dust players 100+ player corps need to stop exploiting to have an advantage What advantage? The corps that have districts and farm are simply better -- both in meta and in-game. Now, you can point to the mythcial ISK faucet, or some nebulous "advantage". But what are you talking about, really? A buffer of isk that really means nothing, and may or may not mean something in the future? I'm sorry, but that's no advantage at all. It's simply posturing about a problem that is non-existent and may never. Yes, it is mythical because clone don't get generated from ether and then sold back to ether at all. Of course they do. However, the operative question is if this is any real advantage gained. I contend the advantage is practically non-existant. Those players who are on those corps are good -- that's how they got the districts in the first place -- and good enough to run proto all the time (like me) without having to drink from the faucet. If I am wrong, kindly point me to the corp or individuals using this "exploit". Outside of a few NS players (who don't really impact the USA players to any large extent, and certainly not outside those who play spambush), I am not aware of a single example -- but I'm certainly open to the possibility. Simply post one. That's a challenge I've made on this forum about a half dozen times now -- without a single shred of evidence to challenge it outside of the same old tired and nebulous arguments.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Proficiency V. 785	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:43:00 - [75] - Quote You never know how long it will last... If CCP does everything right this year... we will have 5000-7000 online players and 100's thousand active. If otherwise player population decreases this year, I will move with my corp to PS2 or the next gen FPSMMO game And that is all I need to know... BALACSES ??? MY PRECIOUS HAS BALACSES ???
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 620	Posted - 2014.03.04 19:47:00 - [76] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: here's a fun fact. had PC never been released, and we all just had wallets based on our pub grinding, Most of us 'pubstompers' would still be rollin proto 24/7 closed beta players have the advantage over everyone open beta players have the advantage over everyone except above now u just look at how long someone has been playing... the longer you've been the playing, the greater advantage you have. one of the first things successful mercs learn in this game is how to manage their finances. I ran a 30k fit for MONTHS many, many MONTHS, would only break out proto when we would come up against a squad of Imps. no one else was worth the expense, and we never felt bad about it. great, GREAT fights, even when it was 4 man squads it was ALWAYS us vs them and both sides knew it. I still remember last day of closed beta was the FIRST time I killed regnum myself. I was always the AV guy giving Zitro unwarranted beatings. the trick was to get him before Reg and Protoman got to you. not an easy task but good times anyway, I had almost 800 million BEFORE PC was ever an option for anyone, just from grinding pubs, with a 5+ kdr and a W/L of 5+, being a heavy 100% of the time so many better scenarios than that, but people who cant manage their isk are ALWAYS gonna be salty that others can, and that's what this all boils down to Now, some of you might read this, and say, "But I'm not nearly as good as Cubs". Well, guess what, I'm not either. I did the same grinding for nearly six months. My kdr was still under 1.0 by the time I had built up my wallet. But I got better. I learned from all those deaths, found my niche, and I came out of the other side as a better dust player. And there's really nothing stopping you from doing the same -- except relying on some perceived imbalance of locked districts and crying foul. That's simply an excuse, and a false one at that, which is holding many of you back from getting better. IMO, of course.
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2998	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:34:00 - [77] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: By then u made your profit so who cares? All im sayin. U make an investment, sit on it recoup your investment plus interest til its fixed then go back to your QQ over everything wrong with the world... smart thing would be to sell off the clones to maximize your profit come that time, or better yet try to pawn it off to someone so u make even more off the deal. clocks ticking, and the longer u wait the less u profit. Ive profited more than enough and tbh make little profit each time i sell, but its our business model now and keeps things more interesting than just me holding 33% of the map by my lonesome. So you're saying that we should **** the system for the immediate profits which we can use until they go away? I'm getting the impression that you're of the opinion that it is a good thing to profit now and then when it all goes away, it was worth it because you had the riches while you did. Is that correct? grind pubs for what 200k isk a battle, say 10 battles a day so 2mil isk, losing a good chunk of that if not running free suits. Buy a district, sit on it til locking is fixed, bank 9-11m isk PER DAY locking fixed, sell clones for an additional 33-49m ISK or better yet sell the district so u profit even more.. im not sayin do anything, just throwing out a little #LoGiC yes I know that's purely a wasted train of thought, but hey, I did it anyway You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1900	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:13:00 - [78] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: calisk galern wrote: why does it matter how much money anyone has? I can't think of a single mmo ever created that doesn't maintain a population with haves and have nots. no game where the older players have serious overwhelming advantages over new players, they may not be pitted against each other on regular basis, but if you ever attempt to pvp in those games you'll find out about that advantage first hand pretty quickly. my suggestion....just play the game and stop concerning yourself with other players. I been running pubs for two weeks now in a 15k miltia heavy suit, and been turning over tons of isk and getting pretty decent kill scores. isk means ** you don't need alot of it currently. 450HP Starter Fit =/= 900+HP Proto Fit. With the ridiculous amount of Money, Pubstompers can just spam Boundless's and Kaalkalatia's and Duovalle's with Their 900+ Assault suit constantly with no consequents besides lolISK loss. fun fact, when you shoot someone in the back of the head 900 ehp means all. fun fact number 2, 900 ehp means to a remote explosive. fun fact i can get over 900 ehp in my standard heavy suit. fun fact, 6 guys in one squad can drop 900ehp in less then a second. fun fact it's possible to kill players even when you have worse guns and less hp. numbers aren't the only factors on the battle field. fun fact, EVERYBODY carries a Active Scanner. fun fact 2, Your standard Heavy doesn't go at slightly below assault speed. And it cant fit proto guns without sacrificing tank. fun fact 3, When was the last time you say 6 people all shoot at the same person? Most is probably 3, maybe 4. fun fact, hiding behind fun facts makes you look like a **. Hard Truth. Protostomping is due in large part to the fact that the game is statistically imbalanced heavily to the older players to the point that one older player in prototype can be shot twice as much as a new player in militia, and kill said player faster, and have several utility slots. And, due to the well-known occurrence of District Locking, and ISK funneling, This statistical imbalance is shown constantly throughout the public matches. People just don't get killed in ProtoGear and go "Lets pull another one!" unless they have WAY too much ISK then they know what to do with. Which can be assumed that it is coming from corps, because even running standard only, you usually only get 150-200K a match-Fittings used. Each Standard fitting, on average, costs about 10K, and the average player usually dies between 5 and 10 times a match. Do the math. While I have no doubt many corps DON'T give ISK out like candy, I am certain MANY do. I don't just perma kill 3 Proto Sentinels and have him pull more, and it happens he is just REALLY good with money. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 623	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:35:00 - [79] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: While I have no doubt many corps DON'T give ISK out like candy, I am certain MANY do. If you are certain, please name names. We're waiting.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 261	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:55:00 - [80] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: I've been keeping track of Dust since Closed Beta, After sticking through the lack of balance, and addition of bugs You'd think it would get better, but with the state of PC this is a sinking ship... A minority of gamers like myself, enjoy playing to earn what they have And despite being offered chances to make free ISK with PC corps I declined as I know that would ruin the enjoyment of gameplay for me This is not the case for a lot of players, who have made themselves Unbelievably rich using exploits to get ahead I have no issue with guys being richer than most, but to what extent? It's no secret how much is some of these players have... so what about their corps?? Billions would be an accurate number at this stage..... Enough that they will never be matched by the honest corps Never mind the newer players who will never have a chance to compete As a playerbase are you happy CCP have let this continue?? From the perspective of a guy who has tried to encourage new players This has killed all chances of this game reaching it's potential 10% of the players would be close to holding 90% of in-game wealth As time goes by these players will make the game un-playable I've no issue having my ass kicked by richer/skilled gamers But when these guys exploited/cheated to get the advantage Takes away all fun from playing this game.... And don't be fooled by CCP if they fix the ability to exploit PC As it is already too late because the damage has been done As Kevin points out 'Unfortunately CCP's stance to boosters and exploiters is well lets say harmless'. until one weapon dude maker invent the plasma canon cant wait to use them in real life. (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.



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