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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:33:00 -
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The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC.
The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem.
Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in.
I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many).
There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
609
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:37:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:the only difference between now and a year ago is that now players have a new thing to point their finger at and blame it for why they are getting their asses kicked in pubs.
Quoted for truth.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:52:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC.
The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem.
Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in.
I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many).
There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. You may not be benefiting from it, but your corporation now has a serious stock-pile obtained through exploiting PC, I have not complained over protostomping Do what you like with your ISK, my complaints are due to ISK being earned via exploits Don't try turn this into a stomping issue, that is not the problem Stomping will always happen, it is the nature of Dust players 100+ player corps need to stop exploiting to have an advantage
What advantage?
The corps that have districts and farm are simply better -- both in meta and in-game.
Now, you can point to the mythcial ISK faucet, or some nebulous "advantage".
But what are you talking about, really?
A buffer of isk that really means nothing, and may or may not mean something in the future?
I'm sorry, but that's no advantage at all. It's simply posturing about a problem that is non-existent and may never. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
614
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Posted - 2014.03.04 14:09:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I'm not arguing it out with you.....
Your corp and others have gotten ahead via exploits
Yes atm there is not much that ISK can do for you
But this 'may or may not' stay the case once new content is released
You are trying to make the fact that your corp has farmed an advantage
irrelevant yet if that was the case, they wouldn't have done it
Exploit my ass.
We took each and every one of those districts through battle -- you and your corp had the same chances to do that, yet for whatever reason did not.
You are the one suggesting we have an "advantage', so it is incumbent upon you to show what it is.
Many people state the advantage is proto stomping because of the isk gained. I'm disproving that with my own example, and I'm simply asking you to state what that advantage is.
So what advantage is it?
Here's the truth: We are building up reserves through farming. Some of it is used to reward our best players (I'm not among them), some of it is used to fund PFC battles for our lesser experienced members, some of it is used to hire ringers when one of the better corps attack us, and some of it is being squirreled away for future use.
None of us know what that advantage will be, but I do know with 100% certainty I'm not proto stomping because of some ill gotten gains from farming. I simply planned better.
So if you want to QQ, then QQ about your lack of meta, lack of planning, lack of skill, or simply missing the obvious economics of Dust.
But please don't QQ about some nebulous advantage you can't even name -- because then you simply look like a butthurt noob exhibiting the groupthink so inherent in this forum and its inhabitants.
Take care....Leadfoot |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
620
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:39:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:The problem with this game has nothing to do with farming PC.
The problem is with the perception by some that that's the problem.
Let's use an example. Me. I run proto virtually all the time. I've not received a dime from my corp (outside of one 2m payment the other day), despite the fact that we farm our 10 districts and have for some time. Read that again and let it sink in.
I can afford to do this because of (a) the two refunds, (b) grinding for six month in starter/bpo suits, and (c) my skill (which is modest compared to many).
There's nothing stopping you from doing it to, except perhaps a defeatist attitude exhibited by the OP based upon the failed premise that it's PC that's causing the perceived skill gap. Because outside of NS, there really isn't anyone who is exploiting PC and using those gains to fund a protostomping playstyle. You may not be benefiting from it, but your corporation now has a serious stock-pile obtained through exploiting PC, I have not complained over protostomping Do what you like with your ISK, my complaints are due to ISK being earned via exploits Don't try turn this into a stomping issue, that is not the problem Stomping will always happen, it is the nature of Dust players 100+ player corps need to stop exploiting to have an advantage What advantage? The corps that have districts and farm are simply better -- both in meta and in-game. Now, you can point to the mythcial ISK faucet, or some nebulous "advantage". But what are you talking about, really? A buffer of isk that really means nothing, and may or may not mean something in the future? I'm sorry, but that's no advantage at all. It's simply posturing about a problem that is non-existent and may never. Yes, it is mythical because clone don't get generated from ether and then sold back to ether at all. 
Of course they do.
However, the operative question is if this is any real advantage gained.
I contend the advantage is practically non-existant. Those players who are on those corps are good -- that's how they got the districts in the first place -- and good enough to run proto all the time (like me) without having to drink from the faucet.
If I am wrong, kindly point me to the corp or individuals using this "exploit". Outside of a few NS players (who don't really impact the USA players to any large extent, and certainly not outside those who play spambush), I am not aware of a single example -- but I'm certainly open to the possibility. Simply post one.
That's a challenge I've made on this forum about a half dozen times now -- without a single shred of evidence to challenge it outside of the same old tired and nebulous arguments.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
620
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:47:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:here's a fun fact.
had PC never been released, and we all just had wallets based on our pub grinding, Most of us 'pubstompers' would still be rollin proto 24/7
closed beta players have the advantage over everyone
open beta players have the advantage over everyone except above
now u just look at how long someone has been playing...
the longer you've been the playing, the greater advantage you have.
one of the first things successful mercs learn in this game is how to manage their finances.
I ran a 30k fit for MONTHS
many, many MONTHS, would only break out proto when we would come up against a squad of Imps.
no one else was worth the expense, and we never felt bad about it. great, GREAT fights, even when it was 4 man squads it was ALWAYS us vs them and both sides knew it.
I still remember last day of closed beta was the FIRST time I killed regnum myself. I was always the AV guy giving Zitro unwarranted beatings.
the trick was to get him before Reg and Protoman got to you. not an easy task but good times
anyway, I had almost 800 million BEFORE PC was ever an option for anyone, just from grinding pubs, with a 5+ kdr and a W/L of 5+, being a heavy 100% of the time
so many better scenarios than that, but people who cant manage their isk are ALWAYS gonna be salty that others can, and that's what this all boils down to
Now, some of you might read this, and say, "But I'm not nearly as good as Cubs".
Well, guess what, I'm not either.
I did the same grinding for nearly six months. My kdr was still under 1.0 by the time I had built up my wallet. But I got better. I learned from all those deaths, found my niche, and I came out of the other side as a better dust player.
And there's really nothing stopping you from doing the same -- except relying on some perceived imbalance of locked districts and crying foul. That's simply an excuse, and a false one at that, which is holding many of you back from getting better.
IMO, of course. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
623
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:35:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:While I have no doubt many corps DON'T give ISK out like candy, I am certain MANY do.
If you are certain, please name names. We're waiting.
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